Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[Phantom255x]

Absolutely no way in hell you give up all 3 of Tatum/Smart/Brown.

[Fierce1]

I agree it should just be 2 of the 3 among Brown, Tatum, and Smart.

Can't let the Pels have all 3.

[Silky]

I also love that NOP won the lotto.

Now they might have more interest in Hayward, as most see Zion as being an instant impact player.

Add in Tatum who is proven a capaple superstar potential player, an allstar in Jrue, perhaps resign Randle who has shown to be a very good center, near allstar level and there is 1 thing missing on that team, someone like Hayward.

Hayward, tatum, Yabusele, Semi, Memphis Pick, Sacramento Pick

for

Davis, Hill, Moore, Wood

NOP starting lineup
Jrue
Hayward
Tatum
Zion
Randle


Bostons

Irving
Smart
Brown
Davis
Horford

[footey]

The line is drawn at one and only one of Tatum, Brown, and Smart.

That won't even get conversation started.

[Silky]

The price to acquire Davis has gone up considerably given the Lakers landing at 4 and, to a lesser extent, the Knicks getting the 3rd pick.

It may now take all three of Tatum, Brown and Smart, plus the picks, to land him.

Would a Celtics team with Davis, Irving, Hayward, Horford and filler be able to defeat all comers?

Count me as skeptical that it would.

The value of the Memphis pick has gone up considerably and I should think AD will cost Tatum + Smart + 2-3 2019 1sts, but that we should be able to hold either Brown or the Memphis pick out of the deal.  Considering we'd be trying to win now by making the deal, I'd be inclined to keep Brown.

Recency bias (Sacramento top 1 protected) has devalued next year's Memphis pick (top 6 protected, unprotected in 2021).  Laker pick at 4 has to  be valued more than the Memphis pick (bird in the hand theory).

It may come down to where Tatum ranks as a fit with Zion, relative to other available players (Ball, Ingram, Knox, 4th pick). Griffin is a smart guy, and will take fit into his calculation.

Not just fit, but potential.

I think everyone outside of LAL or NYK agree that the best player in the bundle is Tatum.

then look at fit.

Ball has his family and publicly stating that he will not play in NOP
Tatum said he would like to be the face of the franchise

Ingram's health is a SERIOUS concern. Cannot stress this enough.
Tatum is VERY healthy and younger.

Knox is pretty garbage player.

Number 3 and 4 picks are good, but they only cover the difference between Tatums value and the value of the other players being mention.

I mean Ball, Kuzma, Ingram and pick number 4 is a decent package, but its really only Kuzma and the 4th pick as Ball and Ingram have little to no value.

Tatum, a player, and 3 picks is more valuable as a whole.

Knox and Barrett is a nice package, but again Tatum is better than either, not as good as both player, add another player and 2 or 3 picks and the Boston offer is now better

even before the Ingram disease revelation, he wasn't looking good in terms of performance. He'd be lucky to become a consistent starter  at this point

He was averaging 18/5 and he was continuing to improve his FG%.  Oh yeah, and he's only 21. 

Plenty of teams in the NBA would take that as a starter.  Especially at that age.

As Faf mentioned, though, the blood clots are the scary thing.  But he certainly wasn't tracking bust or journeyman.

Why would Knox be the draw instead of Dennis Smith and Mitchell Robinson? So Tatum vs Smith jr., Mitchell Robinson, and Barrett

Tatum, Plus picks plus youth versus that package.

But I cannot see NYK offering Robinson, they need a young, cheap effective bigman. Even if trading for Davis, Robinson is the exact guy you want beside him.

[footey]

I posted in more detail in another thread but, IMO, the deal that no one else will beat is this.

Tatum
Williams
Memphis Pick
Sacramento Pick
Boston 2019 second
Boston 2020 first
Yabusele
Semi
Cash

NOP gets superstar potential to pair with Zion. Williams is a front court defender who can keep up with Zion. "Lob City part 2"

Get 2 picks next year to add to core.

add another pick this year in the lotto
add a second rounder this year for a flyer

add a couple young players for cheap depth
add cash to pay some of the salaries.

Unrealistic that New Orleans would even consider this. They likely will get much better offers from Knicks and Lakers.

[keevsnick]

Now that the lottery results (Lakers get 4th pick, Knicks 3rd, Celtics 14th, Pels win Zion Sweepstakes), the cost to acquire Davis has gone up.

Before the draft, it was reasonably expected that the package would include the picks, Williams, Tatum and one of Smart or Brown.

I feel the Laker's acquisition of teh 4th pick will ramp up the price for Davis.  Pelican ownership has probably instructed Griffin to get the best possible value, but if it is close, go with ABL (anyone but Lakers). The Lakers are aware of this, and will therefore be compelled to throw the kitchen sink in to get Davis to pair with a 3/4 depreciated LBJ. Time is of the essence for them.  So the 4th pick, Ingram, Ball and Kuzma will all be on the table.  That is a good package.

If Griffin requires Boston to include all of Smart, Brown and Tatum, along with Williams and the picks, does Danny still pull the trigger?

Consider: No guaranty beyond a year from Davis.  Kyrie himself may sign a 1/1 deal, to see how Davis plays out.  Hayward may never be the player he was in Utah. Horford will be 34 years old.

Does that sound like the nucleus of a team that can win multiple championships?

Personally, I would not do that deal. Of course, I was dead set against trading Jefferson for a 30 something KG, and was proven wrong on that one.

What would you do if Brown, Smart and Tatum plus the picks had all to be given up to get Davis?

I mean really tho, what actually changed. The knicks stayed right around where they were in the lottery, and without Zion dont have enough to make a trade happen IMO. The lakers moved form 10th to 4th in a three player draft, and NOP didn't want what they had 3 months ago so why would they now? The most logical trade is still Tatum, Smart picks.

[Phantom255x]

So I think if one thing's confirmed after last night, it's NYK vs. LAL vs. BOS for Davis now.

Unless AD has a change of heart and decides to stay OR PHI swoops in and offers Simmons + extras

[footey]

I posted in more detail in another thread but, IMO, the deal that no one else will beat is this.

Tatum
Williams
Memphis Pick
Sacramento Pick
Boston 2019 second
Boston 2020 first
Yabusele
Semi
Cash

NOP gets superstar potential to pair with Zion. Williams is a front court defender who can keep up with Zion. "Lob City part 2"

Get 2 picks next year to add to core.

add another pick this year in the lotto
add a second rounder this year for a flyer

add a couple young players for cheap depth
add cash to pay some of the salaries.

Unrealistic that New Orleans would even consider this. They likely will get much better offers from Knicks and Lakers.

In other thread you included Hayward, which I think is a very interesting idea. He may blend in well with Zion (and Holiday), since he is a facilitator. Plus I am worried that Hayward would badly utilized in a team featuring Kyrie and Davis. Kyrie was bad enough.

[Donoghus]

So I think if one thing's confirmed after last night, it's NYK vs. LAL vs. BOS for Davis now.

Unless AD has a change of heart and decides to stay OR PHI swoops in and offers Simmons + extras

I don't see Embiid & AD coexisting very well.

[keevsnick]

Nick or Fafnir

I was right after all

Lakers now can trade Kuzma and #4 for AD

Which would be better than Tatum and three crappy picksso it may take Jaylen and Tatum at this rate

Tatum and Smart alone is better than that package. Then add the picks and it's a no brainer that Boston has a better offer.

There is a chance Barrett drops to #4

Also I don't think you know enough of Hachimura

to think the Celts have AD locked with Tatum , Smart ...because you think it's the best package is fools gold

Tatum plus Brown ...is definitely the best and overpaid package

but Tatum, Smart, crappy 1sts vs Kuzma, Ball, Ingram (you can trade 2 out of 3 for 1sts etc) + #4

it comes down to preference

These are incredibly unlikely scenarios which you are just throwing out there, despite the chances of them happening being very slim.

Nobody I've seen ranks Hachimura on the same tier as Barrett. Hachimura is probably not going to be a top 5 pick.

I also don't see there being any team that offers a first rounder for those pieces alone, given they too all have their own special headaches associated with them

Hachimura
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgaz4GPOago

still not convinced?   have you watched him in action at all this season?

6'8-6'9 with 7'2 wingspan. Strong, explosive and skilled

I'm not stating he will leapfrog Barrett.... But it wouldn't be out of question. Knicks could also like him enough to trade down

he could be anthony Bennett. He could be Greek freak. We don't know. There's risk there. Tatum isnt a risk. Tatum and hachimura are not equal. Tatum and Barrett are not equal. Tatum is viewed highly by GMs

Umm... so what happened in year 2?

He regressed

No he didn't, he didn't get better and he shot worse form 3 but he didn't regress. And even if he did he's still the bets prospect being discussed for Davis, thats how good he was/is.

[gift]

I posted in more detail in another thread but, IMO, the deal that no one else will beat is this.

Tatum
Williams
Memphis Pick
Sacramento Pick
Boston 2019 second
Boston 2020 first
Yabusele
Semi
Cash

NOP gets superstar potential to pair with Zion. Williams is a front court defender who can keep up with Zion. "Lob City part 2"

Get 2 picks next year to add to core.

add another pick this year in the lotto
add a second rounder this year for a flyer

add a couple young players for cheap depth
add cash to pay some of the salaries.

Unrealistic that New Orleans would even consider this. They likely will get much better offers from Knicks and Lakers.

In other thread you included Hayward, which I think is a very interesting idea. He may blend in well with Zion (and Holiday), since he is a facilitator. Plus I am worried that Hayward would badly utilized in a team featuring Kyrie and Davis. Kyrie was bad enough.

I don't think New Orleans will have any interest in Hayward's contract right now.

[footey]

So I think if one thing's confirmed after last night, it's NYK vs. LAL vs. BOS for Davis now.

Unless AD has a change of heart and decides to stay OR PHI swoops in and offers Simmons + extras

That would be a huge bet by Griffin that Simmons can develop offensively.  Zion is shot challenged himself, I doubt Griffin would pursue a Simmons based package.

[Tr1boy]

The price to acquire Davis has gone up considerably given the Lakers landing at 4 and, to a lesser extent, the Knicks getting the 3rd pick.

It may now take all three of Tatum, Brown and Smart, plus the picks, to land him.

Would a Celtics team with Davis, Irving, Hayward, Horford and filler be able to defeat all comers?

Count me as skeptical that it would.

The value of the Memphis pick has gone up considerably and I should think AD will cost Tatum + Smart + 2-3 2019 1sts, but that we should be able to hold either Brown or the Memphis pick out of the deal.  Considering we'd be trying to win now by making the deal, I'd be inclined to keep Brown.

Recency bias (Sacramento top 1 protected) has devalued next year's Memphis pick (top 6 protected, unprotected in 2021).  Laker pick at 4 has to  be valued more than the Memphis pick (bird in the hand theory).

It may come down to where Tatum ranks as a fit with Zion, relative to other available players (Ball, Ingram, Knox, 4th pick). Griffin is a smart guy, and will take fit into his calculation.

That's absolutely not true, it's a perspective that Griffin may or may not have.  Memphis started the year as a top 5 team in the West through 20 games and still finished in the bottom 8, and will now likely not have Gasol or Conley and instead add a rookie who is unlikely to impact winning. 

Griffin is a smart guy and the #4 pick in a 2-3 guy draft isn't better than a potential top 3 pick in what looks like a great draft in 2021. 

The NBA is a league of potential and you take the chance at a grand slam over a no RBI double every time as a rebuilding team.

you are embarrassing yourself ... so you should stop

you are bias crazy, its not even funny

There is no indication Memphis will be basement dwellers next season.  Its a totally different story vs Nets...and how the Celts robbed them

Nets lost KG, PP...and the other vets...had no 1sts (due to giving it away to celts)... couldn't attract any FAs

Memphis already has Jackson Jr. , Morant (#2) pick and will likely get some good return for Conley Jr.  plus have cap space to attract a very good player this offseason.   

They have zero motivation to sukk for next season, especially since the draft pick is not theirs


Griffin would be foolish to bank on this 2020 memphis pick at being a "home run" .... unless he waited closer to the trade deadline, to know with more certainty

And I certainly disagree that this is only a 2 man draft.  Barrett for a long time was considered a #1 pick.  Hachimura and White are very good prospects. 

Like another poster stated.  It will depend on Griffin preference.  The Celts can absolutely beat any offers, but are you willing to give up "everything" for a guy that might leave after a season

Regards to Irving, even with AD trade promise.... I would be shocked if he signed a 5 year deal.  More likely a 1 + 1.   Basically if it all goes wrong,  the Celts will become that 2015-2017 Nets hell hole for years to come

[Green-18]

I figured a new thread isn't worth the topic, but I'm interested in how people would feel about trading for Jrue Holiday if Kyrie + Davis doesn't happen.  In terms of salary, it's a fairly easy deal to make if Horford restructures.  I'd imagine that NOP would be looking to dump his salary for picks and prospects.

The obvious downside is that Holiday will be making $26+ million per year through 2020-21, with a player option for 2021-22.  On the flip side, Jaylen Brown will be an RFA after next season.  This means that it would be difficult to create max cap space going into the summer of 2020 no matter what we do.  The same thing applies to Tatum the following summer, although Hayward would be coming off the books in a year where the cap is projected to be close to $120 million.

Anyways, how would people feel about a moving forward with Holiday, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Horford, and Smart?  I think it would be smarter to preserve the cap space, but Holiday could be an excellent piece IF Brown and Tatum become perennial All-Stars.