Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[Phantom255x]

A lot of people now are posting AD trade ideas and trying to work out salaries in them.

We'd have to send out 21.6M in salaries for a trade to be facilitated. That could happen in the form of players, and also signed picks after the Draft (using their salaries in the trade, too).

But the 21.6M ASSUMES AD waives his trade kicker to come here. IF he doesn't, then we'd actually have to send out 24M in salary to bring in AD.

Why is this important?

1. Well, obviously considering the assets we have and some difficulty trying to facilitate a trade while not gutting the team in the process, that extra ~2-3M would likely mean forking over another asset, possibly even another young player.

2. The main reason? If AD refuses to waive his trade kicker to come here, then it's probably a sign... a sign that he has NO intention of staying here after the 2019-2020 season. Kyrie waived his trade kicker to come here. Leonard was reportedly going to as well but they didn't need to since the Raptors gave up DeRozan and so salary-matching was zero issue at all. If AD wanted to come here and also help his situation in Boston, he'd waive his trade kicker so maybe we don't have to give up too much and we'd still keep a great team around AD. But if he doesn't, then I think that's a warning sign that Ainge needs to re-consider an AD trade, also given his rental status.

Just wanted to put this out there. Hope this is a bit helpful!

[Csfan1984]

My line is does he want to be here? Then it's all negotiable.

[Tr1boy]

Gilbert is going to milk us for all that he can. He knows Kyrie bolts if Danny does not give in. There are other factors in what we will offer as well.

When NO brings in some of the top players for workouts and interviews, if they find someone they think is at same level as Tatum or better, then it is game over for our chances to get Davis. Those workouts will most likely decide where Davis will go if he is going anywhere. It could end up that even Smart, Tatum and Brown will not be enough if NO has a different view of one of those top players in the draft this year.

That 3rd and 4th picks from Lakers and Knicks could get a lot more valuable if NO has dreams of another superstar from those slots.

Also, maybe the Lakers or Knicks find a way to trade into 2 slot and improve their package for Davis as well. A boat load of lower picks and the hopes of a Memphis pick cashing in and Tatum and company might still not be enough for Gilbert.

It is out of our control no matter what happens.

Do you mean Griffin? I think he likes Tatum and probably would pair well with Zion.

What if Irving doesn't want Tatum to go ...as another condition to resign

I think this idea of being sold that Tatum is the one to go ...  hold the the horses

Griffin may also like Brown better

I just mention Griffin liking Tatum because I think he praised the pick and the trade with Philly in the past. Like went out of his way to do so.

Also, don't you think Tatum pairs better with Zion than Jaylen?

Griffin as an analyst vs Griffin as a GM is different

To be honest at this point ... its not so much about pairing, vs who is the better player/higher potential

Brown is a better two way player and has elite explosiveness

Having Zion and Brown open floor/dunking threats at any point...is mouthwatering

[hwangjini_1]

We can’t give up all three.

technically they can. realistically they won't. 

[liam]

Tatum, Smart, Williams, 4 #1s, and take back Moore if they want to shed a year of salary.

That’s the max I would go.

I agree with this trade but It has to be Yabu instead of Williams for salary matching. That's also why it has to be Smart. I did this in trade machine and it works. It's a pretty fair trade.

Tatum, Smart, Yabu and picks....

[Phantom255x]

Here's more information about them.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/12/hoops-rumors-glossary-trade-kickers.html

[Tr1boy]

A lot of people now are posting AD trade ideas and trying to work out salaries in them.

We'd have to send out 21.6M in salaries for a trade to be facilitated. That could happen in the form of players, and also signed picks after the Draft (using their salaries in the trade, too).

But the 21.6M ASSUMES AD waives his trade kicker to come here. IF he doesn't, then we'd actually have to send out 24M in salary to bring in AD.

Why is this important?

1. Well, obviously considering the assets we have and some difficulty trying to facilitate a trade while not gutting the team in the process, that extra ~2-3M would likely mean forking over another asset, possibly even another young player.

2. The main reason? If AD refuses to waive his trade kicker to come here, then it's probably a sign... a sign that he has NO intention of staying here after the 2019-2020 season. Kyrie waived his trade kicker to come here. Leonard was reportedly going to as well but they didn't need to since the Raptors gave up DeRozan and so salary-matching was zero issue at all. If AD wanted to come here and also help his situation in Boston, he'd waive his trade kicker so maybe we don't have to give up too much and we'd still keep a great team around AD. But if he doesn't, then I think that's a warning sign that Ainge needs to re-consider an AD trade, also given his rental status.

Just wanted to put this out there. Hope this is a bit helpful!

a good point

But Leonard did not waive his trade kicker

[Phantom255x]

A lot of people now are posting AD trade ideas and trying to work out salaries in them.

We'd have to send out 21.6M in salaries for a trade to be facilitated. That could happen in the form of players, and also signed picks after the Draft (using their salaries in the trade, too).

But the 21.6M ASSUMES AD waives his trade kicker to come here. IF he doesn't, then we'd actually have to send out 24M in salary to bring in AD.

Why is this important?

1. Well, obviously considering the assets we have and some difficulty trying to facilitate a trade while not gutting the team in the process, that extra ~2-3M would likely mean forking over another asset, possibly even another young player.

2. The main reason? If AD refuses to waive his trade kicker to come here, then it's probably a sign... a sign that he has NO intention of staying here after the 2019-2020 season. Kyrie waived his trade kicker to come here. Leonard was reportedly going to as well but they didn't need to since the Raptors gave up DeRozan and so salary-matching was zero issue at all. If AD wanted to come here and also help his situation in Boston, he'd waive his trade kicker so maybe we don't have to give up too much and we'd still keep a great team around AD. But if he doesn't, then I think that's a warning sign that Ainge needs to re-consider an AD trade, also given his rental status.

Just wanted to put this out there. Hope this is a bit helpful!

a good point

But Leonard did not waive his trade kicker

Yeah, because he didn't need to as I mentioned in the post. DeRozan FOR Leonard + Green worked perfectly for salaries pretty much. I imagine if there were salary constraints, Leonard would have waived it to help out the team IF he was serious about leaving the Spurs and was fine with the Raptors.

[JBcat]

Irving waived his trade kicker to come here.  Who knows maybe Davis will too.

[gift]

Gilbert is going to milk us for all that he can. He knows Kyrie bolts if Danny does not give in. There are other factors in what we will offer as well.

When NO brings in some of the top players for workouts and interviews, if they find someone they think is at same level as Tatum or better, then it is game over for our chances to get Davis. Those workouts will most likely decide where Davis will go if he is going anywhere. It could end up that even Smart, Tatum and Brown will not be enough if NO has a different view of one of those top players in the draft this year.

That 3rd and 4th picks from Lakers and Knicks could get a lot more valuable if NO has dreams of another superstar from those slots.

Also, maybe the Lakers or Knicks find a way to trade into 2 slot and improve their package for Davis as well. A boat load of lower picks and the hopes of a Memphis pick cashing in and Tatum and company might still not be enough for Gilbert.

It is out of our control no matter what happens.

Do you mean Griffin? I think he likes Tatum and probably would pair well with Zion.

What if Irving doesn't want Tatum to go ...as another condition to resign

I think this idea of being sold that Tatum is the one to go ...  hold the the horses

Griffin may also like Brown better

I just mention Griffin liking Tatum because I think he praised the pick and the trade with Philly in the past. Like went out of his way to do so.

Also, don't you think Tatum pairs better with Zion than Jaylen?

Griffin as an analyst vs Griffin as a GM is different

To be honest at this point ... its not so much about pairing, vs who is the better player/higher potential

Brown is a better two way player and has elite explosiveness

Having Zion and Brown open floor/dunking threats at any point...is mouthwatering

Griffin as an analyst is probably a lot more honest than Griffin as a negotiator.

[Tr1boy]

Irving waived his trade kicker to come here.  Who knows maybe Davis will too.

it will be interesting to see....if it comes to that

trade is set in principal but AD makes life tough on Danny by refusing to waive the kicker

[Silky]

I doubt he refuses to waive it.

It makes a deal more difficult, and he wants out.

[CelticsQuestFor18]

Wouldn't this be something AD, his agents and the Celtics Front Office discuss beforehand? Like I'm pretty sure in the Kyrie trade, his agents and Danny talked and Danny made the offer and deal knowing Kyrie was waiving it. I imagine there'll be some communication between the Celtics Front Office and Davis before July 1.

If a trade kicker becomes an obstacle, they'd know before formally submitting an offer or they'd definitely find out after the initial offer if Pels and AD's agents say he's not waiving the trade kicker and offer needs to be adjusted. 

[Tr1boy]

A lot of people now are posting AD trade ideas and trying to work out salaries in them.

We'd have to send out 21.6M in salaries for a trade to be facilitated. That could happen in the form of players, and also signed picks after the Draft (using their salaries in the trade, too).

But the 21.6M ASSUMES AD waives his trade kicker to come here. IF he doesn't, then we'd actually have to send out 24M in salary to bring in AD.

Why is this important?

1. Well, obviously considering the assets we have and some difficulty trying to facilitate a trade while not gutting the team in the process, that extra ~2-3M would likely mean forking over another asset, possibly even another young player.

2. The main reason? If AD refuses to waive his trade kicker to come here, then it's probably a sign... a sign that he has NO intention of staying here after the 2019-2020 season. Kyrie waived his trade kicker to come here. Leonard was reportedly going to as well but they didn't need to since the Raptors gave up DeRozan and so salary-matching was zero issue at all. If AD wanted to come here and also help his situation in Boston, he'd waive his trade kicker so maybe we don't have to give up too much and we'd still keep a great team around AD. But if he doesn't, then I think that's a warning sign that Ainge needs to re-consider an AD trade, also given his rental status.

Just wanted to put this out there. Hope this is a bit helpful!

a good point

But Leonard did not waive his trade kicker

Yeah, because he didn't need to as I mentioned in the post. DeRozan FOR Leonard + Green worked perfectly for salaries pretty much. I imagine if there were salary constraints, Leonard would have waived it to help out the team IF he was serious about leaving the Spurs and was fine with the Raptors.

the reality is that i doubt Leonard wanted to move to Toronto, out of all places

i think he wouldn't have waived the kicker unless he was traded to a team he preferred to join. Like the Clippers

[Silky]

Gilbert is going to milk us for all that he can. He knows Kyrie bolts if Danny does not give in. There are other factors in what we will offer as well.

When NO brings in some of the top players for workouts and interviews, if they find someone they think is at same level as Tatum or better, then it is game over for our chances to get Davis. Those workouts will most likely decide where Davis will go if he is going anywhere. It could end up that even Smart, Tatum and Brown will not be enough if NO has a different view of one of those top players in the draft this year.

That 3rd and 4th picks from Lakers and Knicks could get a lot more valuable if NO has dreams of another superstar from those slots.

Also, maybe the Lakers or Knicks find a way to trade into 2 slot and improve their package for Davis as well. A boat load of lower picks and the hopes of a Memphis pick cashing in and Tatum and company might still not be enough for Gilbert.

It is out of our control no matter what happens.

Do you mean Griffin? I think he likes Tatum and probably would pair well with Zion.

What if Irving doesn't want Tatum to go ...as another condition to resign

I think this idea of being sold that Tatum is the one to go ...  hold the the horses

Griffin may also like Brown better

then he can have Brown instead of Tatum.

But I cannot see why, looking at the skillset that is going to be on that team, Tatum makes more sense than Brown.