Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[gift]

Tatum, Smart, Williams, Yabu and Memphis or Sacramento pick should still do it.

[footey]

The price to acquire Davis has gone up considerably given the Lakers landing at 4 and, to a lesser extent, the Knicks getting the 3rd pick.

It may now take all three of Tatum, Brown and Smart, plus the picks, to land him.

Would a Celtics team with Davis, Irving, Hayward, Horford and filler be able to defeat all comers?

Count me as skeptical that it would.

The value of the Memphis pick has gone up considerably and I should think AD will cost Tatum + Smart + 2-3 2019 1sts, but that we should be able to hold either Brown or the Memphis pick out of the deal.  Considering we'd be trying to win now by making the deal, I'd be inclined to keep Brown.

Recency bias (Sacramento top 1 protected) has devalued next year's Memphis pick (top 6 protected, unprotected in 2021).  Laker pick at 4 has to  be valued more than the Memphis pick (bird in the hand theory).

It may come down to where Tatum ranks as a fit with Zion, relative to other available players (Ball, Ingram, Knox, 4th pick). Griffin is a smart guy, and will take fit into his calculation.

[Silky]

The price to acquire Davis has gone up considerably given the Lakers landing at 4 and, to a lesser extent, the Knicks getting the 3rd pick.

It may now take all three of Tatum, Brown and Smart, plus the picks, to land him.

Would a Celtics team with Davis, Irving, Hayward, Horford and filler be able to defeat all comers?

Count me as skeptical that it would.

The value of the Memphis pick has gone up considerably and I should think AD will cost Tatum + Smart + 2-3 2019 1sts, but that we should be able to hold either Brown or the Memphis pick out of the deal.  Considering we'd be trying to win now by making the deal, I'd be inclined to keep Brown.

Recency bias (Sacramento top 1 protected) has devalued next year's Memphis pick (top 6 protected, unprotected in 2021).  Laker pick at 4 has to  be valued more than the Memphis pick (bird in the hand theory).

It may come down to where Tatum ranks as a fit with Zion, relative to other available players (Ball, Ingram, Knox, 4th pick). Griffin is a smart guy, and will take fit into his calculation.

Not just fit, but potential.

I think everyone outside of LAL or NYK agree that the best player in the bundle is Tatum.

then look at fit.

Ball has his family and publicly stating that he will not play in NOP
Tatum said he would like to be the face of the franchise

Ingram's health is a SERIOUS concern. Cannot stress this enough.
Tatum is VERY healthy and younger.

Knox is pretty garbage player.

Number 3 and 4 picks are good, but they only cover the difference between Tatums value and the value of the other players being mention.

I mean Ball, Kuzma, Ingram and pick number 4 is a decent package, but its really only Kuzma and the 4th pick as Ball and Ingram have little to no value.

Tatum, a player, and 3 picks is more valuable as a whole.

Knox and Barrett is a nice package, but again Tatum is better than either, not as good as both player, add another player and 2 or 3 picks and the Boston offer is now better

[CelticsElite]

The price to acquire Davis has gone up considerably given the Lakers landing at 4 and, to a lesser extent, the Knicks getting the 3rd pick.

It may now take all three of Tatum, Brown and Smart, plus the picks, to land him.

Would a Celtics team with Davis, Irving, Hayward, Horford and filler be able to defeat all comers?

Count me as skeptical that it would.

The value of the Memphis pick has gone up considerably and I should think AD will cost Tatum + Smart + 2-3 2019 1sts, but that we should be able to hold either Brown or the Memphis pick out of the deal.  Considering we'd be trying to win now by making the deal, I'd be inclined to keep Brown.

Recency bias (Sacramento top 1 protected) has devalued next year's Memphis pick (top 6 protected, unprotected in 2021).  Laker pick at 4 has to  be valued more than the Memphis pick (bird in the hand theory).

It may come down to where Tatum ranks as a fit with Zion, relative to other available players (Ball, Ingram, Knox, 4th pick). Griffin is a smart guy, and will take fit into his calculation.

Not just fit, but potential.

I think everyone outside of LAL or NYK agree that the best player in the bundle is Tatum.

then look at fit.

Ball has his family and publicly stating that he will not play in NOP
Tatum said he would like to be the face of the franchise

Ingram's health is a SERIOUS concern. Cannot stress this enough.
Tatum is VERY healthy and younger.

Knox is pretty garbage player.

Number 3 and 4 picks are good, but they only cover the difference between Tatums value and the value of the other players being mention.

I mean Ball, Kuzma, Ingram and pick number 4 is a decent package, but its really only Kuzma and the 4th pick as Ball and Ingram have little to no value.

Tatum, a player, and 3 picks is more valuable as a whole.

Knox and Barrett is a nice package, but again Tatum is better than either, not as good as both player, add another player and 2 or 3 picks and the Boston offer is now better

even before the Ingram disease revelation, he wasn't looking good in terms of performance. He'd be lucky to become a consistent starter  at this point

[Fafnir]

Ingram isn't a bust everyone. He's just not a good fit next to LeBron.

He's definitely above Lonzo/Kuzma, the issue is now the blood clots which is very scary risk that I'm not sure you can be sure about.

[footey]

Now that the lottery results (Lakers get 4th pick, Knicks 3rd, Celtics 14th, Pels win Zion Sweepstakes), the cost to acquire Davis has gone up.

Before the draft, it was reasonably expected that the package would include the picks, Williams, Tatum and one of Smart or Brown.

I feel the Laker's acquisition of teh 4th pick will ramp up the price for Davis.  Pelican ownership has probably instructed Griffin to get the best possible value, but if it is close, go with ABL (anyone but Lakers). The Lakers are aware of this, and will therefore be compelled to throw the kitchen sink in to get Davis to pair with a 3/4 depreciated LBJ. Time is of the essence for them.  So the 4th pick, Ingram, Ball and Kuzma will all be on the table.  That is a good package.

If Griffin requires Boston to include all of Smart, Brown and Tatum, along with Williams and the picks, does Danny still pull the trigger?

Consider: No guaranty beyond a year from Davis.  Kyrie himself may sign a 1/1 deal, to see how Davis plays out.  Hayward may never be the player he was in Utah. Horford will be 34 years old.

Does that sound like the nucleus of a team that can win multiple championships?

Personally, I would not do that deal. Of course, I was dead set against trading Jefferson for a 30 something KG, and was proven wrong on that one.

What would you do if Brown, Smart and Tatum plus the picks had all to be given up to get Davis?

[Donoghus]

The price to acquire Davis has gone up considerably given the Lakers landing at 4 and, to a lesser extent, the Knicks getting the 3rd pick.

It may now take all three of Tatum, Brown and Smart, plus the picks, to land him.

Would a Celtics team with Davis, Irving, Hayward, Horford and filler be able to defeat all comers?

Count me as skeptical that it would.

The value of the Memphis pick has gone up considerably and I should think AD will cost Tatum + Smart + 2-3 2019 1sts, but that we should be able to hold either Brown or the Memphis pick out of the deal.  Considering we'd be trying to win now by making the deal, I'd be inclined to keep Brown.

Recency bias (Sacramento top 1 protected) has devalued next year's Memphis pick (top 6 protected, unprotected in 2021).  Laker pick at 4 has to  be valued more than the Memphis pick (bird in the hand theory).

It may come down to where Tatum ranks as a fit with Zion, relative to other available players (Ball, Ingram, Knox, 4th pick). Griffin is a smart guy, and will take fit into his calculation.

Not just fit, but potential.

I think everyone outside of LAL or NYK agree that the best player in the bundle is Tatum.

then look at fit.

Ball has his family and publicly stating that he will not play in NOP
Tatum said he would like to be the face of the franchise

Ingram's health is a SERIOUS concern. Cannot stress this enough.
Tatum is VERY healthy and younger.

Knox is pretty garbage player.

Number 3 and 4 picks are good, but they only cover the difference between Tatums value and the value of the other players being mention.

I mean Ball, Kuzma, Ingram and pick number 4 is a decent package, but its really only Kuzma and the 4th pick as Ball and Ingram have little to no value.

Tatum, a player, and 3 picks is more valuable as a whole.

Knox and Barrett is a nice package, but again Tatum is better than either, not as good as both player, add another player and 2 or 3 picks and the Boston offer is now better

even before the Ingram disease revelation, he wasn't looking good in terms of performance. He'd be lucky to become a consistent starter  at this point

He was averaging 18/5 and he was continuing to improve his FG%.  Oh yeah, and he's only 21. 

Plenty of teams in the NBA would take that as a starter.  Especially at that age.

As Faf mentioned, though, the blood clots are the scary thing.  But he certainly wasn't tracking bust or journeyman.

[Fafnir]

Can't give up all three of your promising young players under cost control. Absolute red line should be Brown or Tatum. Also fight like hell to keep Smart, be willing to move him but make him and the picks the leverage point instead of Brown + Tatum.

That's my hope for the negotiations.

[Donoghus]

One or the other of Brown/Tatum.  Certainly not both. 

If NO wants Brown, Tatum, Smart, & the picks, you get up & walk away.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

The price to acquire Davis has gone up considerably given the Lakers landing at 4 and, to a lesser extent, the Knicks getting the 3rd pick.

It may now take all three of Tatum, Brown and Smart, plus the picks, to land him.

Would a Celtics team with Davis, Irving, Hayward, Horford and filler be able to defeat all comers?

Count me as skeptical that it would.

The value of the Memphis pick has gone up considerably and I should think AD will cost Tatum + Smart + 2-3 2019 1sts, but that we should be able to hold either Brown or the Memphis pick out of the deal.  Considering we'd be trying to win now by making the deal, I'd be inclined to keep Brown.

Recency bias (Sacramento top 1 protected) has devalued next year's Memphis pick (top 6 protected, unprotected in 2021).  Laker pick at 4 has to  be valued more than the Memphis pick (bird in the hand theory).

It may come down to where Tatum ranks as a fit with Zion, relative to other available players (Ball, Ingram, Knox, 4th pick). Griffin is a smart guy, and will take fit into his calculation.

Not just fit, but potential.

I think everyone outside of LAL or NYK agree that the best player in the bundle is Tatum.

then look at fit.

Ball has his family and publicly stating that he will not play in NOP
Tatum said he would like to be the face of the franchise

Ingram's health is a SERIOUS concern. Cannot stress this enough.
Tatum is VERY healthy and younger.

Knox is pretty garbage player.

Number 3 and 4 picks are good, but they only cover the difference between Tatums value and the value of the other players being mention.

I mean Ball, Kuzma, Ingram and pick number 4 is a decent package, but its really only Kuzma and the 4th pick as Ball and Ingram have little to no value.

Tatum, a player, and 3 picks is more valuable as a whole.

Knox and Barrett is a nice package, but again Tatum is better than either, not as good as both player, add another player and 2 or 3 picks and the Boston offer is now better

even before the Ingram disease revelation, he wasn't looking good in terms of performance. He'd be lucky to become a consistent starter  at this point

He was averaging 18/5 and he was continuing to improve his FG%.  Oh yeah, and he's only 21. 

Plenty of teams in the NBA would take that as a starter.  Especially at that age.

As Faf mentioned, though, the blood clots are the scary thing.  But he certainly wasn't tracking bust or journeyman.

Why would Knox be the draw instead of Dennis Smith and Mitchell Robinson? So Tatum vs Smith jr., Mitchell Robinson, and Barrett

[MichiganAdam]

No way I even give up tatum, Brown or smart, + filler, +4 picks.  If they get two of the young guys I hold back one of the Memphis pick and clippers pick.  The guy is a potential rental.  I'd much rather try for a different piece than blow the whole kitty on a rental.  Sabonis, KAT, etc can be had for much less than 6 or 7 cost controlled young talent.  No one is worth that.  Heck evn a S&T for durant or someone would cost much less.  We need a versatile big that can help on both ends bad...but not gut the franchise bad.

[Roy H.]

We can’t give up all three.

[smokeablount]

The price to acquire Davis has gone up considerably given the Lakers landing at 4 and, to a lesser extent, the Knicks getting the 3rd pick.

It may now take all three of Tatum, Brown and Smart, plus the picks, to land him.

Would a Celtics team with Davis, Irving, Hayward, Horford and filler be able to defeat all comers?

Count me as skeptical that it would.

The value of the Memphis pick has gone up considerably and I should think AD will cost Tatum + Smart + 2-3 2019 1sts, but that we should be able to hold either Brown or the Memphis pick out of the deal.  Considering we'd be trying to win now by making the deal, I'd be inclined to keep Brown.

Recency bias (Sacramento top 1 protected) has devalued next year's Memphis pick (top 6 protected, unprotected in 2021).  Laker pick at 4 has to  be valued more than the Memphis pick (bird in the hand theory).

It may come down to where Tatum ranks as a fit with Zion, relative to other available players (Ball, Ingram, Knox, 4th pick). Griffin is a smart guy, and will take fit into his calculation.

That's absolutely not true, it's a perspective that Griffin may or may not have.  Memphis started the year as a top 5 team in the West through 20 games and still finished in the bottom 8, and will now likely not have Gasol or Conley and instead add a rookie who is unlikely to impact winning. 

Griffin is a smart guy and the #4 pick in a 2-3 guy draft isn't better than a potential top 3 pick in what looks like a great draft in 2021. 

The NBA is a league of potential and you take the chance at a grand slam over a no RBI double every time as a rebuilding team.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

The line is drawn at one and only one of Tatum, Brown, and Smart.

[Silky]

I posted in more detail in another thread but, IMO, the deal that no one else will beat is this.

Tatum
Williams
Memphis Pick
Sacramento Pick
Boston 2019 second
Boston 2020 first
Yabusele
Semi
Cash

NOP gets superstar potential to pair with Zion. Williams is a front court defender who can keep up with Zion. "Lob City part 2"

Get 2 picks next year to add to core.

add another pick this year in the lotto
add a second rounder this year for a flyer

add a couple young players for cheap depth
add cash to pay some of the salaries.