Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[Phantom255x]

Jalen Rose and Paul Pierce calling it like it on the halftime show: this is part of a power play by Rich Paul. Make Boston look bad to make LA look better.

My own opinion: Anthony Davis had a very calculated press conference where he claimed he didn't give NOLA a destination. He's trying to look like the good guy while Rich Paul & Co. do the dirty work.

Yeah, he's certainly in on this at least a little bit. I'm sure he is trying to go there now, as he wouldn't lose a half season on the Pelicans that way.

But I find it highly skeptical that he's solely sold on LA, especially if it happens in the summer with Lebron being even older, or even the summer after that. That would make no sense for AD to win.

Another thing. His dad talks about IT and the C's having no loyalty... and look I'll admit we did do Isaiah dirty IMHO. But is he (Davis Sr.) advocating he goes to the Lakers to join Lebron who has ditched teams three times and left them all in bad situations because of all the short-term moves he forced them to make? 

[KGs Knee]

IT got a bad deal no question there. I’m sure there is some kind of ‘oh yeah well something else and this other thing!’ kind of defensive shifting the field goals comment to make about it but it happened. We screwed him pretty bad. Used him up, discarded him.

So what then?  Give IT his brinks truck and have the whole team screwed?

Wouldn’t you rather we had IT, Sexton/Bridges, Zizic and Crowder? Lol

Yeah, even if Ainge just lets IT walk at the end of his contract, the team is still in much, much worse position.  Nobody here would be happy if they found out Ainge passed on trading for Kyrie out of loyalty to IT (well, some people might say they'd be happy with that, but they're liars).

[gouki88]

IT got a bad deal no question there. I’m sure there is some kind of ‘oh yeah well something else and this other thing!’ kind of defensive shifting the field goals comment to make about it but it happened. We screwed him pretty bad. Used him up, discarded him.

So what then?  Give IT his brinks truck and have the whole team screwed?

Wouldn’t you rather we had IT, Sexton/Bridges, Zizic and Crowder? Lol

Yeah, even if Ainge just lets IT walk at the end of his contract, the team is still in much, much worse position.  Nobody here would be happy if they found out Ainge passed on trading for Kyrie out of loyalty to IT (well, some people might say they'd be happy with that, but they're liars).

I dunno, I genuinely think some posters would prefer us to be mediocre without Kyrie, lol

[indeedproceed]

IT got a bad deal no question there. I’m sure there is some kind of ‘oh yeah well something else and this other thing!’ kind of defensive shifting the field goals comment to make about it but it happened. We screwed him pretty bad. Used him up, discarded him.

So what then?  Give IT his brinks truck and have the whole team screwed?

No, I don’t think there was an outcome there where everyone was gonna be happy. Doesn’t mean it isn’t true though.

[Phantom255x]

Right now, I still firmly believe we shouldn't trade Tatum and other assets for a rental.

If we can get creative and deal Brown + $$$ + picks, then I'm okay taking the risk. Giving up Tatum in any package for a rental would be idiotic.

If LAL wants to give up Zubac, Hart, Lonzo, Kuzma, Ingram + 2-3 picks for him, then go ahead. Pelicans will milk them for everything now that it's known AD is willing to extend with LAL (or NYK).

[Moranis]

IT got a bad deal no question there. I’m sure there is some kind of ‘oh yeah well something else and this other thing!’ kind of defensive shifting the field goals comment to make about it but it happened. We screwed him pretty bad. Used him up, discarded him.

So what then?  Give IT his brinks truck and have the whole team screwed?

Wouldn’t you rather we had IT, Sexton/Bridges, Zizic and Crowder? Lol

Yeah, even if Ainge just lets IT walk at the end of his contract, the team is still in much, much worse position.  Nobody here would be happy if they found out Ainge passed on trading for Kyrie out of loyalty to IT (well, some people might say they'd be happy with that, but they're liars).

I think the problem is that IT4 is just the latest in a very long line of players that have been shipped out when Ainge finds something better (including the face of the franchise 4 times - Walker, Pierce, Rondo, IT4).  I posted a thread a few years ago where I pondered that it might be difficult for Ainge to actually land free agents because of the questionable loyalty, tactics, and statements Ainge had made (this was before IT4 was traded and also before Horford and Hayward signed).  I do believe Ainge's mentality will eventually catch up to him, and perhaps we are starting to see that with Davis.  You can't have the philosophy that everyone is expendable and expendable at any time and not have it offend players, agents, families, and other teams.  At some point, you have to take a more practical approach and better foster those relationships.

[Kuberski33]

IT got a bad deal no question there. I’m sure there is some kind of ‘oh yeah well something else and this other thing!’ kind of defensive shifting the field goals comment to make about it but it happened. We screwed him pretty bad. Used him up, discarded him.

So what then?  Give IT his brinks truck and have the whole team screwed?

Wouldn’t you rather we had IT, Sexton/Bridges, Zizic and Crowder? Lol

Yeah, even if Ainge just lets IT walk at the end of his contract, the team is still in much, much worse position.  Nobody here would be happy if they found out Ainge passed on trading for Kyrie out of loyalty to IT (well, some people might say they'd be happy with that, but they're liars).

I think the problem is that IT4 is just the latest in a very long line of players that have been shipped out when Ainge finds something better (including the face of the franchise 4 times - Walker, Pierce, Rondo, IT4).  I posted a thread a few years ago where I pondered that it might be difficult for Ainge to actually land free agents because of the questionable loyalty, tactics, and statements Ainge had made (this was before IT4 was traded and also before Horford and Hayward signed).  I do believe Ainge's mentality will eventually catch up to him, and perhaps we are starting to see that with Davis.  You can't have the philosophy that everyone is expendable and expendable at any time and not have it offend players, agents, families, and other teams.  At some point, you have to take a more practical approach and better foster those relationships.

This is exactly why you can't cut bait on Hayward. Players are human and certain moves that are perceived as cold can have repercussions. Look back at Ray Allen getting mad because his name kept finding its way into trade rumors.

If you unload Hayward now certain future free agents might say 'that could easily happen to me'.   

This all said though, IT brought some of that on himself by continuing to play when his hip started hurting.  He should have shut himself down but he got a little too caught up in how well the team was doing at the time.  I feel awful for him but he made a poor business decision by continuing to play.

People like Davis' dad - if what he said was truly how he feels and not just him doing Rich Paul's bidding - oh well..it is what it is. Your actions as an organization = real or perceived can have consequences.

[jpotter33]

Wow, Wilbon hit the nail on the head there. He said that he knows Davis, and this does not seem like Davis. He said that Davis does not look comfortable with how all of this is going down, and he feels like he might be getting pressured into all of this LA controversy by Paul and others.

This has been my perspective the entire time. I think AD legitimately would like to go to LA now, as he then doesn't waste a half season of his prime still on the Pelicans. However, all of this about him only going to LA and not going to Boston is just nonsense meant to pressure NOLA. If he truly wants to win, there's no argument that Boston is best situated to give him that wish, ESPECIALLY if he doesn't get traded at the deadline, which would mean he would be joining a 36 year old James in LA. Yeah, seems like a good idea for "winning."

[SHAQATTACK]

Wow, Wilbon hit the nail on the head there. He said that he knows Davis, and this does not seem like Davis. He said that Davis does not look comfortable with how all of this is going down, and he feels like he might be getting pressured into all of this LA controversy by Paul and others.

This has been my perspective the entire time. I think AD legitimately would like to go to LA now, as he then doesn't waste a half season of his prime still on the Pelicans. However, all of this about him only going to LA and not going to Boston is just nonsense meant to pressure NOLA. If he truly wants to win, there's no argument that Boston is best situated to give him that wish, ESPECIALLY if he doesn't get traded at the deadline, which would mean he would be joining a 36 year old James in LA. Yeah, seems like a good idea for "winning."

The Nazi s called this brain washing a young mans mind . obviously Brons camp ...Corrupt Sports ....

has been working on this a good while .  Got him to,buy a home in CA . ...... inching their way into his brain

[Moranis]

Wow, Wilbon hit the nail on the head there. He said that he knows Davis, and this does not seem like Davis. He said that Davis does not look comfortable with how all of this is going down, and he feels like he might be getting pressured into all of this LA controversy by Paul and others.

This has been my perspective the entire time. I think AD legitimately would like to go to LA now, as he then doesn't waste a half season of his prime still on the Pelicans. However, all of this about him only going to LA and not going to Boston is just nonsense meant to pressure NOLA. If he truly wants to win, there's no argument that Boston is best situated to give him that wish, ESPECIALLY if he doesn't get traded at the deadline, which would mean he would be joining a 36 year old James in LA. Yeah, seems like a good idea for "winning."

except 36 year old James (well 34 to 35 next year) is still a far better player than anyone currently on Boston and thus would in fact give Davis the best shot a title next season or the season after (if you are only looking at LA and Boston).  Now sure, Boston has a much longer window, but longer doesn't necessarily mean better.

[angryguy77]

Why should DA be loyal to the point it hurts the team when many of todays players will leave to go play with their buds? It's a business, and i dont want to see this franchise repeat the years between 86' and 08'.

[mctyson]

Davis's dad: "no loyalty!!!!"

Danny Ainge: "I flipped a washed up Pierce, Garnett and Isaiah Thomas for Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Kyrie Irving and slew of other assets. But please, go on about how to be a GM..."

[gouki88]

Wow, Wilbon hit the nail on the head there. He said that he knows Davis, and this does not seem like Davis. He said that Davis does not look comfortable with how all of this is going down, and he feels like he might be getting pressured into all of this LA controversy by Paul and others.

This has been my perspective the entire time. I think AD legitimately would like to go to LA now, as he then doesn't waste a half season of his prime still on the Pelicans. However, all of this about him only going to LA and not going to Boston is just nonsense meant to pressure NOLA. If he truly wants to win, there's no argument that Boston is best situated to give him that wish, ESPECIALLY if he doesn't get traded at the deadline, which would mean he would be joining a 36 year old James in LA. Yeah, seems like a good idea for "winning."

except 36 year old James (well 34 to 35 next year) is still a far better player than anyone currently on Boston and thus would in fact give Davis the best shot a title next season or the season after (if you are only looking at LA and Boston).  Now sure, Boston has a much longer window, but longer doesn't necessarily mean better.

Lol, what? The Lakers aren’t even a playoff team as it stands. LeBron being better than any of our guys is meaningless because their team sucks. AD on that team does not have anything close to the title likelihood that AD on our team would

[mctyson]

I love love LOVE the fact that somehow we have in the same day (a) this blog going bonkers because Kyrie said "I do not owe anyone sh*t" and (b) AD's pops complaining that there was no loyalty to IT4 from the Celtics.

LOVE IT!!

[Surferdad]

Wow, Wilbon hit the nail on the head there. He said that he knows Davis, and this does not seem like Davis. He said that Davis does not look comfortable with how all of this is going down, and he feels like he might be getting pressured into all of this LA controversy by Paul and others.

This has been my perspective the entire time. I think AD legitimately would like to go to LA now, as he then doesn't waste a half season of his prime still on the Pelicans. However, all of this about him only going to LA and not going to Boston is just nonsense meant to pressure NOLA. If he truly wants to win, there's no argument that Boston is best situated to give him that wish, ESPECIALLY if he doesn't get traded at the deadline, which would mean he would be joining a 36 year old James in LA. Yeah, seems like a good idea for "winning."

except 36 year old James (well 34 to 35 next year) is still a far better player than anyone currently on Boston and thus would in fact give Davis the best shot a title next season or the season after (if you are only looking at LA and Boston).  Now sure, Boston has a much longer window, but longer doesn't necessarily mean better.

Lol, what? The Lakers aren’t even a playoff team as it stands. LeBron being better than any of our guys is meaningless because their team sucks. AD on that team does not have anything close to the title likelihood that AD on our team would

Plus the fact that LAL has to trade all their best young guys to get AD.  He must know that Boston will still have a complete team after he is traded there.