Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[jpotter33]

Wow, Wilbon hit the nail on the head there. He said that he knows Davis, and this does not seem like Davis. He said that Davis does not look comfortable with how all of this is going down, and he feels like he might be getting pressured into all of this LA controversy by Paul and others.

This has been my perspective the entire time. I think AD legitimately would like to go to LA now, as he then doesn't waste a half season of his prime still on the Pelicans. However, all of this about him only going to LA and not going to Boston is just nonsense meant to pressure NOLA. If he truly wants to win, there's no argument that Boston is best situated to give him that wish, ESPECIALLY if he doesn't get traded at the deadline, which would mean he would be joining a 36 year old James in LA. Yeah, seems like a good idea for "winning."

except 36 year old James (well 34 to 35 next year) is still a far better player than anyone currently on Boston and thus would in fact give Davis the best shot a title next season or the season after (if you are only looking at LA and Boston).  Now sure, Boston has a much longer window, but longer doesn't necessarily mean better.

Per usual...



It's one thing to argue James might be the best individual player still at that age (though I'd put at least Kyrie and possibly Tatum above him at that point given that James is now starting to slow down and feel the effects of all those miles on his body), but to claim that LA would give him the best at a title the next two seasons is ultimately laughable, especially when you consider that they'll literally have to trade virtually all of their young talent in order to get him in the first place. Just pure, unadulterated nonsense.

[jpotter33]

Wow, Wilbon hit the nail on the head there. He said that he knows Davis, and this does not seem like Davis. He said that Davis does not look comfortable with how all of this is going down, and he feels like he might be getting pressured into all of this LA controversy by Paul and others.

This has been my perspective the entire time. I think AD legitimately would like to go to LA now, as he then doesn't waste a half season of his prime still on the Pelicans. However, all of this about him only going to LA and not going to Boston is just nonsense meant to pressure NOLA. If he truly wants to win, there's no argument that Boston is best situated to give him that wish, ESPECIALLY if he doesn't get traded at the deadline, which would mean he would be joining a 36 year old James in LA. Yeah, seems like a good idea for "winning."

except 36 year old James (well 34 to 35 next year) is still a far better player than anyone currently on Boston and thus would in fact give Davis the best shot a title next season or the season after (if you are only looking at LA and Boston).  Now sure, Boston has a much longer window, but longer doesn't necessarily mean better.

Lol, what? The Lakers aren’t even a playoff team as it stands. LeBron being better than any of our guys is meaningless because their team sucks. AD on that team does not have anything close to the title likelihood that AD on our team would

Let alone being in the West.

That's just good ole contrarian Moranis for you! 

[Moranis]

Wow, Wilbon hit the nail on the head there. He said that he knows Davis, and this does not seem like Davis. He said that Davis does not look comfortable with how all of this is going down, and he feels like he might be getting pressured into all of this LA controversy by Paul and others.

This has been my perspective the entire time. I think AD legitimately would like to go to LA now, as he then doesn't waste a half season of his prime still on the Pelicans. However, all of this about him only going to LA and not going to Boston is just nonsense meant to pressure NOLA. If he truly wants to win, there's no argument that Boston is best situated to give him that wish, ESPECIALLY if he doesn't get traded at the deadline, which would mean he would be joining a 36 year old James in LA. Yeah, seems like a good idea for "winning."

except 36 year old James (well 34 to 35 next year) is still a far better player than anyone currently on Boston and thus would in fact give Davis the best shot a title next season or the season after (if you are only looking at LA and Boston).  Now sure, Boston has a much longer window, but longer doesn't necessarily mean better.

Lol, what? The Lakers aren’t even a playoff team as it stands. LeBron being better than any of our guys is meaningless because their team sucks. AD on that team does not have anything close to the title likelihood that AD on our team would

Sure because they went 6-11 without James on the floor.  They are 21-14 with James on the floor.  That would be 31-21 or the 5th seed (and a game behind Portland for 4th) if they won at the same 60% pace in those 17 missed games. 

Let's just say they trade all 5 of their young players (and filler), they would still have a starting 5 of Rondo, KCP, James, Davis, McGee with some solid vets on the bench.  Of course I don't think they are trading all 5 of the young players, because New Orleans isn't absorbing that many players.  That is just for the rest of this season (which gives Davis a real shot this year, something he doesn't have now and can't have in Boston).  Next summer, the Lakers would be set up to cap space for a very large contract to end up in town with Davis and James.  To acquire Davis, Boston would have to give Smart and Tatum at a minimum, that would still leave a nice team of Irving, Brown, Hayward, Davis, and Horford with some solid vets on the bench, but that team has no one near as good as James and who knows who that 3rd person (if anyone) is the Lakers sign.  What if Leonard decides he wants to play with Davis and James or Klay, or Durant (or heaven forbid Irving).  Now sure that is a riskier proposition for Davis, but hitching your wagons to James hasn't exactly been a bad thing.

At some point James is going to show his mileage, but he is still the best player in the world and that will always give his team a shot, especially when you add a talent like Davis to him (they would actually complement each other well).

[86MaxwellSmart]

The Media conspiring with the Agent and Lakers to take the Celtics down. (with this AD's father garbage)

This is Unbelievably Crooked and Pathetic.

[nickagneta]

Wow, Wilbon hit the nail on the head there. He said that he knows Davis, and this does not seem like Davis. He said that Davis does not look comfortable with how all of this is going down, and he feels like he might be getting pressured into all of this LA controversy by Paul and others.

This has been my perspective the entire time. I think AD legitimately would like to go to LA now, as he then doesn't waste a half season of his prime still on the Pelicans. However, all of this about him only going to LA and not going to Boston is just nonsense meant to pressure NOLA. If he truly wants to win, there's no argument that Boston is best situated to give him that wish, ESPECIALLY if he doesn't get traded at the deadline, which would mean he would be joining a 36 year old James in LA. Yeah, seems like a good idea for "winning."

except 36 year old James (well 34 to 35 next year) is still a far better player than anyone currently on Boston and thus would in fact give Davis the best shot a title next season or the season after (if you are only looking at LA and Boston).  Now sure, Boston has a much longer window, but longer doesn't necessarily mean better.

Lol, what? The Lakers aren’t even a playoff team as it stands. LeBron being better than any of our guys is meaningless because their team sucks. AD on that team does not have anything close to the title likelihood that AD on our team would

Sure because they went 6-11 without James on the floor.  They are 21-14 with James on the floor.  That would be 31-21 or the 5th seed (and a game behind Portland for 4th) if they won at the same 60% pace in those 17 missed games. 

Let's just say they trade all 5 of their young players (and filler), they would still have a starting 5 of Rondo, KCP, James, Davis, McGee with some solid vets on the bench.  Of course I don't think they are trading all 5 of the young players, because New Orleans isn't absorbing that many players.  That is just for the rest of this season (which gives Davis a real shot this year, something he doesn't have now and can't have in Boston).  Next summer, the Lakers would be set up to cap space for a very large contract to end up in town with Davis and James.  To acquire Davis, Boston would have to give Smart and Tatum at a minimum, that would still leave a nice team of Irving, Brown, Hayward, Davis, and Horford with some solid vets on the bench, but that team has no one near as good as James and who knows who that 3rd person (if anyone) is the Lakers sign.  What if Leonard decides he wants to play with Davis and James or Klay, or Durant (or heaven forbid Irving).  Now sure that is a riskier proposition for Davis, but hitching your wagons to James hasn't exactly been a bad thing.

At some point James is going to show his mileage, but he is still the best player in the world and that will always give his team a shot, especially when you add a talent like Davis to him (they would actually complement each other well).

So your entire opinion on whether LA has a better chance at a title revolves around a ton of what ifs for how Magic Johnson can fill out the rest of the roster, when there is nothing but certainty of who will make up the core of the Celtics next year and beyond.

Also, odds makers already have Boston as tied for second best chance to win the title this year. Add Davis and odds makers make Boston a favorite to win the title or at least second best chance(no ties with anyone in the East) along with GSW.

Given all the what ifs in your defense of your statement and the certainties in Boston, there is no way LA is more likely to win a title next year. Give LA Davis and Butler and guess what? They still aren't even favored to best GSW if GSW returns everyone. So oddsmakers would probably still have Boston be 2nd best odds to win the title because they have an easier road to get to the Finals.
 
And I am not even get into the fact you seem to have Davis being in LA next week so LA won't have to trade all their youth, when it's pretty clear NO isn't dealing Davis next week.
And if that happens, LAL WILL have to trade all their youth.

So really, no matter where Davis ends up, it's still more likely that Boston wins a title before LA.

[gouki88]

Wow, Wilbon hit the nail on the head there. He said that he knows Davis, and this does not seem like Davis. He said that Davis does not look comfortable with how all of this is going down, and he feels like he might be getting pressured into all of this LA controversy by Paul and others.

This has been my perspective the entire time. I think AD legitimately would like to go to LA now, as he then doesn't waste a half season of his prime still on the Pelicans. However, all of this about him only going to LA and not going to Boston is just nonsense meant to pressure NOLA. If he truly wants to win, there's no argument that Boston is best situated to give him that wish, ESPECIALLY if he doesn't get traded at the deadline, which would mean he would be joining a 36 year old James in LA. Yeah, seems like a good idea for "winning."

except 36 year old James (well 34 to 35 next year) is still a far better player than anyone currently on Boston and thus would in fact give Davis the best shot a title next season or the season after (if you are only looking at LA and Boston).  Now sure, Boston has a much longer window, but longer doesn't necessarily mean better.

Lol, what? The Lakers aren’t even a playoff team as it stands. LeBron being better than any of our guys is meaningless because their team sucks. AD on that team does not have anything close to the title likelihood that AD on our team would

Sure because they went 6-11 without James on the floor.  They are 21-14 with James on the floor.  That would be 31-21 or the 5th seed (and a game behind Portland for 4th) if they won at the same 60% pace in those 17 missed games. 

Let's just say they trade all 5 of their young players (and filler), they would still have a starting 5 of Rondo, KCP, James, Davis, McGee with some solid vets on the bench.  Of course I don't think they are trading all 5 of the young players, because New Orleans isn't absorbing that many players.  That is just for the rest of this season (which gives Davis a real shot this year, something he doesn't have now and can't have in Boston).  Next summer, the Lakers would be set up to cap space for a very large contract to end up in town with Davis and James.  To acquire Davis, Boston would have to give Smart and Tatum at a minimum, that would still leave a nice team of Irving, Brown, Hayward, Davis, and Horford with some solid vets on the bench, but that team has no one near as good as James and who knows who that 3rd person (if anyone) is the Lakers sign.  What if Leonard decides he wants to play with Davis and James or Klay, or Durant (or heaven forbid Irving).  Now sure that is a riskier proposition for Davis, but hitching your wagons to James hasn't exactly been a bad thing.

At some point James is going to show his mileage, but he is still the best player in the world and that will always give his team a shot, especially when you add a talent like Davis to him (they would actually complement each other well).

So your entire opinion on whether LA has a better chance at a title revolves around a ton of what ifs for how Magic Johnson can fill out the rest of the roster, when there is nothing but certainty of who will make up the core of the Celtics next year and beyond.

Also, odds makers already have Boston as tied for second best chance to win the title this year. Add Davis and odds makers make Boston a favorite to win the title or at least second best chance(no ties with anyone in the East) along with GSW.

Given all the what ifs in your defense of your statement and the certainties in Boston, there is no way LA is more likely to win a title next year. Give LA Davis and Butler and guess what? They still aren't even favored to best GSW if GSW returns everyone. So oddsmakers would probably still have Boston be 2nd best odds to win the title because they have an easier road to get to the Finals.

So really, no matter where Davis ends up, it's still more likely that Boston wins a title before LA.

B-b-but LeBron!

Also, I'm kinda over the narrative that LBJ is the clear-cut obvious best player in the world. He isn't. There are a handful of guys with the same kind of on-court impact as him, now that he effectively refuses to play defence.

[tarheelsxxiii]

IT got a bad deal no question there. I’m sure there is some kind of ‘oh yeah well something else and this other thing!’ kind of defensive shifting the field goals comment to make about it but it happened. We screwed him pretty bad. Used him up, discarded him.

TP.  I commented in 2017, following AD's quote, that it was a poor decision by Ainge/ownership that could come back to haunt us.  AD is the prize of the decade and should've been priority for our 5-10 year plan.  There's a short list of guys that can be the best player on a championship team; if we missed out on him, we aren't contending anytime soon.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Jalen Rose and Paul Pierce calling it like it on the halftime show: this is part of a power play by Rich Paul. Make Boston look bad to make LA look better.

My own opinion: Anthony Davis had a very calculated press conference where he claimed he didn't give NOLA a destination. He's trying to look like the good guy while Rich Paul & Co. do the dirty work.

Are you suggesting that AD's father didn't make that comment? I'm not seeing any path to there being a secondary gain for the Celtics.

[nickagneta]

Jalen Rose and Paul Pierce calling it like it on the halftime show: this is part of a power play by Rich Paul. Make Boston look bad to make LA look better.

My own opinion: Anthony Davis had a very calculated press conference where he claimed he didn't give NOLA a destination. He's trying to look like the good guy while Rich Paul & Co. do the dirty work.

Are you suggesting that AD's father didn't make that comment? I'm not seeing any path to there being a secondary gain for the Celtics.

What the hell does Davis' dad have to do with what RJ posted? I think you should try to connect the dots better.

[gouki88]

Jalen Rose and Paul Pierce calling it like it on the halftime show: this is part of a power play by Rich Paul. Make Boston look bad to make LA look better.

My own opinion: Anthony Davis had a very calculated press conference where he claimed he didn't give NOLA a destination. He's trying to look like the good guy while Rich Paul & Co. do the dirty work.

Are you suggesting that AD's father didn't make that comment? I'm not seeing any path to there being a secondary gain for the Celtics.

Literally have no idea how RJ suggested that

[tarheelsxxiii]

Jalen Rose and Paul Pierce calling it like it on the halftime show: this is part of a power play by Rich Paul. Make Boston look bad to make LA look better.

My own opinion: Anthony Davis had a very calculated press conference where he claimed he didn't give NOLA a destination. He's trying to look like the good guy while Rich Paul & Co. do the dirty work.

Are you suggesting that AD's father didn't make that comment? I'm not seeing any path to there being a secondary gain for the Celtics.

What the hell does Davis' dad have to with what RJ posted? I think you should try to connect the dots better.

For your sake? It seems pretty straightforward - some Rich Paul/AD conspiracy theory can't reasonably be discussed without addressing his father's comment.  You guys have been building this long narrative of Kyrie support without addressing any of the facts.  Now that the house of cards is collapsing, it may be that time.

[nickagneta]

Jalen Rose and Paul Pierce calling it like it on the halftime show: this is part of a power play by Rich Paul. Make Boston look bad to make LA look better.

My own opinion: Anthony Davis had a very calculated press conference where he claimed he didn't give NOLA a destination. He's trying to look like the good guy while Rich Paul & Co. do the dirty work.

Are you suggesting that AD's father didn't make that comment? I'm not seeing any path to there being a secondary gain for the Celtics.

What the hell does Davis' dad have to with what RJ posted? I think you should try to connect the dots better.

For your sake? It seems pretty straightforward - some Rich Paul/AD conspiracy theory can't reasonably be discussed without addressing his father's comment.

Rich Paul requesting a trade for Davis and creating the media storm he has by putting rumors through all his media contacts is not a conspiracy theory. It's a factual reality. And all that Paul has done, which is what Pierce and Rose were talking about, has nothing to do with Davis' dad. Nothing.

And Davis' dad said he said what he said but that what he said is his opinion and not that of his son.

And Davis talked to the media that he never wanted demand to go public. And Davis said he never requested any particular destination.

And Davis hinted there might be a disconnect between he and his representation.

“I never gave an [ultimatum]. Me or my representation never gave the Pelicans a destination or anything, so I’m not sure where that’s coming from, maybe the connection with my representation but we never gave the Pelicans a destination.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.silverscreenandroll.com/platform/amp/2019/2/1/18207220/lakers-trade-rumors-anthony-davis-pelicans-request-public-rich-paul

[Monkhouse]

AD would never leave Boston.

We are faithful and we will give you our love. Win us a ring and you'll never be forgotten in Celtics lore.

He talks about legacy? Well then bring it here, stay and carve your name in the history books.

Then again, I felt this way with Love and Rondo. I really felt that Minessota Love would've been the perfect fit for our team. I also felt the same way with Durant.

KD would've been amazing on our team. Crazy how despite these forums, we still managed to snag Horford and Hayward.

So we will have to wait. At least this time I won't be staying up for another Kevin this time

[CelticsElite]

What happens to the Lakers if they don't get AD?  I know they can try to court klay but even just klay and lebron isn't enough to do much noise In the west


That's still a 6-9 seed in the west

[Jiri Welsch]

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Sources: In pursuit of All-NBA star Anthony Davis, the Lakers' offers to the Pelicans have not been worth countering or responding for Pelicans. Lakers' deals have included Rajon Rondo or Lance Stephenson as core parts of proposals -- along with a couple of key young players.