Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[jpotter33]

The celts are going to get screwed by this rule.  Just not the same value to trade for a bunch of players (I.e., picks) than the picks themselves.

I mean, if the celts had far and away the best package then maybe the pelicans would wait.  But they don’t.  Ingram, ball, and kizma close to our best offer even if we include Tatum.

Don't think this is true in any sense of the term. Our best offer could literally be something like Tatum, Brown, Williams, Rozier (S&T), Sac Pick, Memphis pick, LAC pick, and other picks or pick swaps of our own picks. LA's offer comes nowhere near that value.

Plus, you have to think of what that would set Davis up for long-term. Lebron is 34 and his body is now starting to show his age, with this year suffering the worst injury of his career. He'll be 35 by the time next season starts, and with as many miles as he has on his body, it's only going to get worse for him. Sure, they might be able to land another guy this summer through free agency, but they'll have virtually nothing left assets-wise to fill out that roster, as they will have to go all-in to get AD before the trade deadline. Long-term he's only marginally closer to winning a title in LA than he is in NOLA.

Boston, on the other hand, will still have assets left after the trade and a near All-Star starting five in Kyrie, Smart, Hayward, Davis, and Al.

[Silky]

Huge news. And it begins.

I would assume New Orleans is willing to hold off on dealing him until the summer, in which case we are 100% in the game.

Disagree

Too risky for NO

He will be traded between now and trade deadline

Book it

Why would it be risky?

The number of offers increases in the offseason. If you are the Pelicans, the more bidders, the better.

Yeah, there’s zero risk for NO in waiting until the offseason. Waiting until Boston can enter the bidding is their best move

No risk, but better reward if they trade now.

Higher pick, more picks, ability to see who works and who doesnt moving forward.

Not a better reward.

We will have the best ofdee on the table. Waiting to trade AD in the summer helps them tank too. Trading AD now might land them pieces that makes their team mediocre enough to miss a top 5 pick. Now if they wait, and sit out Davis, they can tank.

Having davis does not make them in any way worse.

Not having davis makes them worse.

His camp will likely shut him down ala Kawhi.

no indication that will happen at all and cannot be assumed

[Tr1boy]

Someone who understands this all

why is it that the fakers could offer Ingram, Kuzma, Hart for Davis NOW

but Celts couldn't Brown and Rozier + Horford for example

why does it have to be Kyrie?   

I would understand the logic a little better if Irving and Davis were going to be both UFAs after this season (and both walk), which would potentially screw a franchise for years to come.  But this is not the case.  Also by Davis joining Irving = unfair super team.....  then what is Davis joining Lebron?

How does the "chris paul" rule apply to the Celtics in this case?

Yo TB,

Both Kyrie and Anthony Davis are currently signed to Designated Rookie extensions.

There is a clause in the CBA that a team cannot have 2 players of this extension type on the roster at the same time.

This summer Kyrie will opt out of his contract and no longer be on a Designated Rookie Extension.

Once that is complete we will be free to trade for AD with Kyrie still on the roster.

thanks man~

this is what I was looking for

But why does it matter if its DRE?  ...  is it for the safety/protection of a team or for the players involved in the trade?

[ederson]

Is it possible to have a popup or something explaining why Celtics cannot trade for AD now without including KI ? Every 10th post is explaining the Rose rule

Huge news. And it begins.

I would assume New Orleans is willing to hold off on dealing him until the summer, in which case we are 100% in the game.

Disagree

Too risky for NO

He will be traded between now and trade deadline

Book it

Why would it be risky?

The number of offers increases in the offseason. If you are the Pelicans, the more bidders, the better.

Yeah, there’s zero risk for NO in waiting until the offseason. Waiting until Boston can enter the bidding is their best move

No risk, but better reward if they trade now.

Higher pick, more picks, ability to see who works and who doesnt moving forward.

Not a better reward.

We will have the best ofdee on the table. Waiting to trade AD in the summer helps them tank too. Trading AD now might land them pieces that makes their team mediocre enough to miss a top 5 pick. Now if they wait, and sit out Davis, they can tank.

Having davis does not make them in any way worse.

Not having davis makes them worse.

His camp will likely shut him down ala Kawhi.

no indication that will happen at all and cannot be assumed

It makes sense though for both parties.... NOLA gets a better pick and AD doesn't risk an injury

[jpotter33]

According to Woj, the Celtics can formally agree to a trade for AD that gets executed in June. Also, Pelicans prefer our package and don’t want to send AD to LA

So people can stop freaking out here. It makes no sense for NOLA to try and rush a trade right now. It benefits them in almost every single regard to sit AD for the time being and wait until the summer to seriously consider the trade, all while working the phones for potential packages with both Boston and LA right now.

[Roy H.]

According to Woj, the Celtics can formally agree to a trade for AD that gets executed in June. Also, Pelicans prefer our package and don’t want to send AD to LA

Formally agreeing doesn't mean a ton, because it's not enforceable.

The Pelicans preferring our potential package does, though.

[Tr1boy]

According to Woj, the Celtics can formally agree to a trade for AD that gets executed in June. Also, Pelicans prefer our package and don’t want to send AD to LA

Pelicans prefer our package? which is what exactly

Brown and Rozier plus 3 decent picks?  None will be in the top 5, thanks to strong play of the Kings

I cant' see Danny including Tatum

[Roy H.]

According to Woj, the Celtics can formally agree to a trade for AD that gets executed in June. Also, Pelicans prefer our package and don’t want to send AD to LA

Pelicans prefer our package? which is what exactly

Brown and Rozier plus 3 decent picks?  None will be in the top 5, thanks to strong play of the Kings

I cant' see Danny including Tatum

Why on Earth wouldn't Danny include Tatum?  Because he's secretly a Lakers fan?

If Danny wants to present a Godfather offer, he can easily give up Tatum + Brown + Williams + Yabu (filler) + MEM #1 + SAC #1 + LAC #1 + BOS #1.

Nobody else is touching that, unless the SAC pick is #1, conveying to Philly.  Then the Sixers could Trump us with Simmons + Zion (which would be an odd fit).

[jpotter33]

The Pels would be idiots to make the deal now. NOBODY can offer what Boston can. But will the give into Davis and his requests? That is the big question.

If Lakers giveup Kuzma, Ingram, Hart

Then no Celts cant beat that

Unless Kyrie is offered bc Danny is not going to trade Tatum plus Brown

 

Yes, they absolutely can beat that offer and could probably double that value if they wanted to, even without offering kyrie. You’re on one this morning, Triboy.

Double the value?  Come on.  The Celts have one blue chip prospect.  One.  And that’s Tatum of course.  Brown is meh.  Rozier is double meh.  And I don’t believe hordord and any other veteran has much value for the pelicans.  And the picks are mostly meh too.

Absolutely. As we've seen time and time again, the best player/prospect in the deal (virtually) always wins the trade (the OKC/IND trade notwithstanding where both teams won). Tatum's value far surpasses anything LA can offer, meaning that alone puts Boston in front from a quality perspective.

When you add to that that Boston can also surpass the quantity of value between our lesser prospects in Brown (who I argue is more valuable in himself than any of LA's prospects), Rozier, Williams, and picks, it's clear that our package greatly surpasses LA's package in virtually every regard outside of timing.

[Silky]

I would deal Kyrie in a deal to get AD but ONLY if I could also bring in Kemba Walker...otherwise I keep Kyrie and make other changes like upgrading the frontcourt.

[jpotter33]

According to Woj, the Celtics can formally agree to a trade for AD that gets executed in June. Also, Pelicans prefer our package and don’t want to send AD to LA

Pelicans prefer our package? which is what exactly

Brown and Rozier plus 3 decent picks?  None will be in the top 5, thanks to strong play of the Kings

I cant' see Danny including Tatum

Tatum will almost necessarily be included. That's the single most important piece of any deal and why NOLA would wait.

Given that we have Hayward and a plethora of other wings already anyways, I think Brown probably fits better with us long-term anyways. That's assuming though that he eventually would reclaim his spot at the 2 guard with Smart going back to Super Sixth Man status, which I think is ideal for us long-term.

[GreenEnvy]

Well this is exactly what I didn’t want, but let’s see if Demps and ownership doesn’t panic and do something quick.

This has Rich Paul written all over it, trying to sneak him to the Lakers by the deadline.

I hope Ainge is on the horn this morning telling him what his offer is for July. As mentioned, if he sits out the rest of season Pels will get a better pick and set themselves up even further for the post-Davis era.


Tatum, Brown, picks (2019 and future), filler. That’s worth waiting a few months for, no?

I’ve seen people mention the Lakers young players and even a Simmons-based offer, but does anyone have the star-potential of Tatum? Who’s starting their team around PG’s like Simmons and Ball who have clear deficiencies? Kuzma is a nice little steal late in the first round but he’s not a guy you build around. Ingram vs Tatum? You see who’s already doing Gatorade and Nike commercials...

Tatum can be the face of a franchise, which isn’t that easy to find and may be difficult for NO to find in 10 days.

[Wretch]

NOLA would be smart to wait.
1. They might convince AD to change his mind
2. If they sit AD and embrace the tank their draft pick potentially gets better helping on a rebuild.
3. Barring injury all of LAs assets will be available in the off-season.
4. If LA misses the playoffs their picks get better. Why would NOLA  help LA make the playoffs this season and depreciate an asset they'll get regardless.
5. The Celtics potential offer, even if it's not what NOLA wants, can help get LA or another team offer more assets.

That said people aren't always smart.

[Tr1boy]

According to Woj, the Celtics can formally agree to a trade for AD that gets executed in June. Also, Pelicans prefer our package and don’t want to send AD to LA

So people can stop freaking out here. It makes no sense for NOLA to try and rush a trade right now. It benefits them in almost every single regard to sit AD for the time being and wait until the summer to seriously consider the trade, all while working the phones for potential packages with both Boston and LA right now.

Then why does AD state this today/yesterday

why doesn't he just finish the season out then ask ??

AD wants to win a championship ASAP.  Starting now, not tomorrow

AD could also get injured... which would be a detriment for the Pelicans

Now if the Pelicans have someone in mind for the 2019 draft (top 5 pick)... then I can see them waiting. But what are the chances such a team will be a good team?

[NKY fan]

Anyone else visualizing the nightmare scenario:
Davies trades to lakers and in the summer kyrie signs with them too?