Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward

[Yoki_IsTheName]

If Utah will take Smart, that's all that needs to be done in a S&T. Now Hayward would have to agree to 5 years verses 4 years. I think he wants the 3+1 so he can become a FA again.

This is the only reason it makes sense for us to do a sign and trade, otherwise, why not just trade Smart to another team for a draft pick?

This is not how a sign and trade works. This is an example of the info given out on the SL broadcast I've been pleading with people to ignore. You CANNOT get a fifth year through a S&T.

I thought you can.

Then this whole SNT makes absolutely no sense for us, at all.

[RJ87]

If Utah will take Smart, that's all that needs to be done in a S&T. Now Hayward would have to agree to 5 years verses 4 years. I think he wants the 3+1 so he can become a FA again.

This is the only reason it makes sense for us to do a sign and trade, otherwise, why not just trade Smart to another team for a draft pick?

This is not how a sign and trade works. This is an example of the info given out on the SL broadcast I've been pleading with people to ignore. You CANNOT get a fifth year through a S&T.

I thought you can.

Then this whole SNT makes absolutely no sense for us, at all.

The rule was changed in the last lockout.

[mctyson]

If Utah will take Smart, that's all that needs to be done in a S&T. Now Hayward would have to agree to 5 years verses 4 years. I think he wants the 3+1 so he can become a FA again.

This is the only reason it makes sense for us to do a sign and trade, otherwise, why not just trade Smart to another team for a draft pick?

This is not how a sign and trade works. This is an example of the info given out on the SL broadcast I've been pleading with people to ignore. You CANNOT get a fifth year through a S&T.

I thought you can.

Then this whole SNT makes absolutely no sense for us, at all.

If they can trade Rozier, Mickey, and Jackson, then it absolutely does.

That means Smart, Crowder, and Bradley are here for next year and possibly for much longer.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

If Utah will take Smart, that's all that needs to be done in a S&T. Now Hayward would have to agree to 5 years verses 4 years. I think he wants the 3+1 so he can become a FA again.

This is the only reason it makes sense for us to do a sign and trade, otherwise, why not just trade Smart to another team for a draft pick?

This is not how a sign and trade works. This is an example of the info given out on the SL broadcast I've been pleading with people to ignore. You CANNOT get a fifth year through a S&T.

I thought you can.

Then this whole SNT makes absolutely no sense for us, at all.

If they can trade Rozier, Mickey, and Jackson, then it absolutely does.

That means Smart, Crowder, and Bradley are here for next year and possibly for much longer.

Again, why can't we trade any of those to other teams and get something in return? Even cash considerations is a better return than SNT with Utah, practically trading them for nothing.

[BitterJim]

If Utah will take Smart, that's all that needs to be done in a S&T. Now Hayward would have to agree to 5 years verses 4 years. I think he wants the 3+1 so he can become a FA again.

This is the only reason it makes sense for us to do a sign and trade, otherwise, why not just trade Smart to another team for a draft pick?

This is not how a sign and trade works. This is an example of the info given out on the SL broadcast I've been pleading with people to ignore. You CANNOT get a fifth year through a S&T.

I thought you can.

Then this whole SNT makes absolutely no sense for us, at all.

You could under the old CBA (errr, I guess 2 CBAs ago), but that changed during the last lockout

[BitterJim]

If Utah will take Smart, that's all that needs to be done in a S&T. Now Hayward would have to agree to 5 years verses 4 years. I think he wants the 3+1 so he can become a FA again.

This is the only reason it makes sense for us to do a sign and trade, otherwise, why not just trade Smart to another team for a draft pick?

This is not how a sign and trade works. This is an example of the info given out on the SL broadcast I've been pleading with people to ignore. You CANNOT get a fifth year through a S&T.

I thought you can.

Then this whole SNT makes absolutely no sense for us, at all.

If they can trade Rozier, Mickey, and Jackson, then it absolutely does.

That means Smart, Crowder, and Bradley are here for next year and possibly for much longer.

That doesn't work. We'd have to send out the same amount of salary whether we want to sign and trade for him or sign him outright. And if we sign him outright, we can actually get stuff (ie picks, cash, lesser players) in return

[max215]

If Utah will take Smart, that's all that needs to be done in a S&T. Now Hayward would have to agree to 5 years verses 4 years. I think he wants the 3+1 so he can become a FA again.

This is the only reason it makes sense for us to do a sign and trade, otherwise, why not just trade Smart to another team for a draft pick?

This is not how a sign and trade works. This is an example of the info given out on the SL broadcast I've been pleading with people to ignore. You CANNOT get a fifth year through a S&T.

I thought you can.

Then this whole SNT makes absolutely no sense for us, at all.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q53

As I've been saying, the reason for a S&T is NOT what was explained on the SL broadcast. The Celtics could send just Rozier, Jackson, and Mickey out (stash Yalu too) and S&T for Hayward, because they wouldn't have to worry about the 12th roster spot hold. Essentially, the question is whether you'd rather give Rozier up for nothing or give Smart up for a couple of seconds or late first (or Bradley or Crowder for something else). Long story short, the Jazz are NOT getting one of Smart, Bradley,or Crowder without giving something major in return.

[Tr1boy]

If Utah will take Smart, that's all that needs to be done in a S&T. Now Hayward would have to agree to 5 years verses 4 years. I think he wants the 3+1 so he can become a FA again.

This is the only reason it makes sense for us to do a sign and trade, otherwise, why not just trade Smart to another team for a draft pick?

This is not how a sign and trade works. This is an example of the info given out on the SL broadcast I've been pleading with people to ignore. You CANNOT get a fifth year through a S&T.

I thought you can.

Then this whole SNT makes absolutely no sense for us, at all.

You could under the old CBA (errr, I guess 2 CBAs ago), but that changed during the last lockout

so this is good possibility for everything....and Hayward can sign a 3 + 1 with the Jazz for the max , then be traded to the CEltics. correct?

[max215]

If Utah will take Smart, that's all that needs to be done in a S&T. Now Hayward would have to agree to 5 years verses 4 years. I think he wants the 3+1 so he can become a FA again.

This is the only reason it makes sense for us to do a sign and trade, otherwise, why not just trade Smart to another team for a draft pick?

This is not how a sign and trade works. This is an example of the info given out on the SL broadcast I've been pleading with people to ignore. You CANNOT get a fifth year through a S&T.

I thought you can.

Then this whole SNT makes absolutely no sense for us, at all.

If they can trade Rozier, Mickey, and Jackson, then it absolutely does.

That means Smart, Crowder, and Bradley are here for next year and possibly for much longer.

That doesn't work. We'd have to send out the same amount of salary whether we want to sign and trade for him or sign him outright. And if we sign him outright, we can actually get stuff (ie picks, cash, lesser players) in return

The key is the roster spot hold that comes into play if we dump them to a third team. If we're trading for Hayward, we don't have to worry about that hold.

[Phantom255x]

We need some @saltbombs in here, ASAP 

[Tr1boy]

If Utah will take Smart, that's all that needs to be done in a S&T. Now Hayward would have to agree to 5 years verses 4 years. I think he wants the 3+1 so he can become a FA again.

This is the only reason it makes sense for us to do a sign and trade, otherwise, why not just trade Smart to another team for a draft pick?

This is not how a sign and trade works. This is an example of the info given out on the SL broadcast I've been pleading with people to ignore. You CANNOT get a fifth year through a S&T.

I thought you can.

Then this whole SNT makes absolutely no sense for us, at all.

If they can trade Rozier, Mickey, and Jackson, then it absolutely does.

That means Smart, Crowder, and Bradley are here for next year and possibly for much longer.

That doesn't work. We'd have to send out the same amount of salary whether we want to sign and trade for him or sign him outright. And if we sign him outright, we can actually get stuff (ie picks, cash, lesser players) in return

does KO (S&T) and Smart (S&T) = so 15 mill, 15 mill /per year

for Hayward (S&T) and Tony Bradley ...work then?

[mctyson]

If Utah will take Smart, that's all that needs to be done in a S&T. Now Hayward would have to agree to 5 years verses 4 years. I think he wants the 3+1 so he can become a FA again.

This is the only reason it makes sense for us to do a sign and trade, otherwise, why not just trade Smart to another team for a draft pick?

This is not how a sign and trade works. This is an example of the info given out on the SL broadcast I've been pleading with people to ignore. You CANNOT get a fifth year through a S&T.

I thought you can.

Then this whole SNT makes absolutely no sense for us, at all.

If they can trade Rozier, Mickey, and Jackson, then it absolutely does.

That means Smart, Crowder, and Bradley are here for next year and possibly for much longer.

Again, why can't we trade any of those to other teams and get something in return? Even cash considerations is a better return than SNT with Utah, practically trading them for nothing.

Because trading Rozier away on his own does not get them far enough under the cap.

[mctyson]

If Utah will take Smart, that's all that needs to be done in a S&T. Now Hayward would have to agree to 5 years verses 4 years. I think he wants the 3+1 so he can become a FA again.

This is the only reason it makes sense for us to do a sign and trade, otherwise, why not just trade Smart to another team for a draft pick?

This is not how a sign and trade works. This is an example of the info given out on the SL broadcast I've been pleading with people to ignore. You CANNOT get a fifth year through a S&T.

I thought you can.

Then this whole SNT makes absolutely no sense for us, at all.

If they can trade Rozier, Mickey, and Jackson, then it absolutely does.

That means Smart, Crowder, and Bradley are here for next year and possibly for much longer.

That doesn't work. We'd have to send out the same amount of salary whether we want to sign and trade for him or sign him outright. And if we sign him outright, we can actually get stuff (ie picks, cash, lesser players) in return

Please see this:  https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/882761296478953472

[tarheelsxxiii]

Why would they want Rozier, Mickey, and Jackson?

[max215]

Why would they want Rozier, Mickey, and Jackson?

Better than nothing.