So who goes?

[jbp126]

I'd prefer to move Crowder.  If we can get a rookie scale rotation big in return all the better.  Not sure if these names have been mentioned.
Nuggets are most logical trade partner: Crowder for Hernangomez or Lyles

Crowder for Labissiere from Kings.  They have a glut of bugs and justvsinged Z-Bo.

Crowder and Rozier or a late 1st for Aaron Gordon.

I like Labissiere as a prospect and thought we should've grabbed him and Zizic last year instead of Yabu.  I also like the idea of making a deal for Gordon.  Both would help a little with our problem at the 4 and you could do worse for a "salary dump". 

I have a crazier/unrealistic idea that would address our 4-5 issue and cut some salary: Bradley/Crowder/Smart for Cousins.  Doubt either team would do it but a line up of IT, Jaylen, Hayward, Horford, Cousins with Rozier, Tatum, Zizic, and a vet min. or two could be interesting.

[droopdog7]

No need to trade one of Bradley/Crowder/Smart. All we have to do in order to create max cap space is

- dump Rozier + Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief
- stash Yabu


According to Shams Charania of The Vertical, the league set the salary cap for the upcoming campaign at $99,093,000.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2719227-nba-reportedly-sets-2017-18-salary-cap-at-99093000


$99,093,000 x 30% = $29,727,900 (Hayward's max)

1. Hayward $29,727,900
2. Horford $27,734,405
3. Bradley $8,808,989
4. Crowder $6,796,117
5. Thomas $6,261,394
6. Tatum $5,645,400
7. Brown $4,956,480
8. Smart $4,538,019
9. Zizic $1,645,200
10. rookie minimum $815,615
11. rookie minimum $815,615
12. rookie minimum $815,615

Total $98,560,749

Not what I've been hearing but perhaps others can verify.  Obviously the key is being able to dump jackson and rozier and not take salary back.  What will we need to attach to them to get it done, because we certainly can't expect any value in return.

[MVPPierceNoJoke]

No need to trade one of Bradley/Crowder/Smart. All we have to do in order to create max cap space is

- dump Rozier + Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief
- stash Yabu


According to Shams Charania of The Vertical, the league set the salary cap for the upcoming campaign at $99,093,000.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2719227-nba-reportedly-sets-2017-18-salary-cap-at-99093000


$99,093,000 x 30% = $29,727,900 (Hayward's max)

1. Hayward $29,727,900
2. Horford $27,734,405
3. Bradley $8,808,989
4. Crowder $6,796,117
5. Thomas $6,261,394
6. Tatum $5,645,400
7. Brown $4,956,480
8. Smart $4,538,019
9. Zizic $1,645,200
10. rookie minimum $815,615
11. rookie minimum $815,615
12. rookie minimum $815,615

Total $98,560,749

Good post and I thought the same, but I think Jackson's contract is partially guaranteed. And also the CBA makes you have 13 players not 12. With those two things added, the Celtics are about a million over.

[SHAQATTACK]

Smart and Bradley accept pretty much what role they are given .

Crowder is not going to be the happy camper l..with Hayward , Tatum and Brown ...........which i like all three  better than Crowder

i think for sake of keeping the peace Crowder has to be traded .....should not be a problem.....he Fits with Atlanta , and several others.

trade Bradley to Clippers with doc

But Bradley will have to go too.....h will cost too much to resign....same as ET ......somebody will drive the price up on him.   

[Jvalin]

No need to trade one of Bradley/Crowder/Smart. All we have to do in order to create max cap space is

- dump Rozier + Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief
- stash Yabu


According to Shams Charania of The Vertical, the league set the salary cap for the upcoming campaign at $99,093,000.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2719227-nba-reportedly-sets-2017-18-salary-cap-at-99093000


$99,093,000 x 30% = $29,727,900 (Hayward's max)

1. Hayward $29,727,900
2. Horford $27,734,405
3. Bradley $8,808,989
4. Crowder $6,796,117
5. Thomas $6,261,394
6. Tatum $5,645,400
7. Brown $4,956,480
8. Smart $4,538,019
9. Zizic $1,645,200
10. rookie minimum $815,615
11. rookie minimum $815,615
12. rookie minimum $815,615

Total $98,560,749

Good post and I thought the same, but I think Jackson's contract is partially guaranteed. And also the CBA makes you have 13 players not 12. With those two things added, the Celtics are about a million over.

6/30/2017: New version for the 2017 CBA.

13. Exactly what is included when computing total team salaries? What is cap room? What is a cap hold?

(...) A cap hold called an "incomplete roster charge" if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). This charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player fewer than 12. For example, if there are 11 players included in team salary, then an amount equal to the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary5; if the roster is completely empty, then 12 times the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary. This charge only applies during the offseason. (...)


41. Let's say a team arranges for all of its players to become free agents at the same time. If they renounce everybody, do they then have a team salary of $0 and a full cap under which to work?

No. There are lots of things that are included in team salary besides active contracts -- see question number 13 for a full list. Note especially that there is a roster charge when a team has fewer than 12 players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks -- so even if a team has no contracts and renounces all its free agents, exceptions and draft picks, it still will have a non-zero team salary.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q1


Jackson has $650,000 guaranteed, but if we manage to trade him for salary relief we 'll pay him nothing.

[erisred]

The C's need to consolidate now. I think Ainge will try to trade Jackson, Mickey (or waive him), Smart, Bradley and Crowder and retain Rozier. I like Smart, Crowder, and especially Bradley, but I think Danny will try to convert all of them into room for Hayward and one more player. I expect this one more to be a big (PF/C), but who that will be I  have no idea.

[MVPPierceNoJoke]

The C's need to consolidate now. I think Ainge will try to trade Jackson, Mickey (or waive him), Smart, Bradley and Crowder and retain Rozier. I like Smart, Crowder, and especially Bradley, but I think Danny will try to convert all of them into room for Hayward and one more player. I expect this one more to be a big (PF/C), but who that will be I  have no idea.

I think the same thing about Rozier. He has a good contract, and has showed solid development in the system especially the last couple months of last season. I think two of the three of Bradley,Crowder, Smart go out along with possible the Clippers or Memphis pick for a big.

[TheSundanceKid]

I would rather it be Crowder in exchange for a young big. I'd like to keep Rozier and Jackson as depth in case we lose Smart or Bradley next summer.

One of Bradley or Smart probably has to go next year regardless but it would be nice to have a ready replacement to give us some extra assurance during negotiations.

[TheSundanceKid]

Young big options I would like to trade Crowder for:

Bjelica from T'Wolves
WCS from Sac
Hernangomez from Denver

Or just Poindexter and a pick from NOP

[nebist]

Another couple of Crowder options:
Jah  Okafor (not a fan but seems very available)
Bobby Portis (Bulls could cover PF spot by playing Markannen and resigning Mirotic)

[chambers]

Guys our starting center is Al Horford. He's not playing PF lol.
And Crowder can play PF. He started at PF many games and playoff games. So did Green. In fact starting Green at PF and giving Jae minuyes at PF is what helped us get back in the chicago series.
We are running a system of positionless basketball.

It's why we are grooming Jaylen and Tatum to play next to Hayward.
Having Jae at PF on offense will be very hard to defend and he'll be able to defend most NBA PF's.

[jbp126]

Guys our starting center is Al Horford. He's not playing PF lol.
And Crowder can play PF. He started at PF many games and playoff games. So did Green. In fact starting Green at PF and giving Jae minuyes at PF is what helped us get back in the chicago series.
We are running a system of positionless basketball.

It's why we are grooming Jaylen and Tatum to play next to Hayward.
Having Jae at PF on offense will be very hard to defend and he'll be able to defend most NBA PF's.

And he'll be a non factor on the defensive glass. I want to get on board with Crowder at the 4 full time but he will be completely exposed anytime we face even a moderately big frontcourt. In the world of positionless/skilled/small ball, length is still king.

[Who]

Guys our starting center is Al Horford. He's not playing PF lol.
And Crowder can play PF. He started at PF many games and playoff games. So did Green. In fact starting Green at PF and giving Jae minuyes at PF is what helped us get back in the chicago series.
We are running a system of positionless basketball.

It's why we are grooming Jaylen and Tatum to play next to Hayward.
Having Jae at PF on offense will be very hard to defend and he'll be able to defend most NBA PF's.

And he'll be a non factor on the defensive glass. I want to get on board with Crowder at the 4 full time but he will be completely exposed anytime we face even a moderately big frontcourt. In the world of positionless/skilled/small ball, length is still king.

Yeah, I think the rebounding edge could give Jaylen the advantage over Crowder. I love the idea of Jaylen's quickness against other PFs as well. That would give Boston a major advantage in transition and in the halfcourt with Jaylen's driving ability.

Tempted by Tatum but his defense is probably too bad as a rookie to start out of position at PF ahead of Crowder and Jaylen. 

[chambers]

Guys our starting center is Al Horford. He's not playing PF lol.
And Crowder can play PF. He started at PF many games and playoff games. So did Green. In fact starting Green at PF and giving Jae minuyes at PF is what helped us get back in the chicago series.
We are running a system of positionless basketball.

It's why we are grooming Jaylen and Tatum to play next to Hayward.
Having Jae at PF on offense will be very hard to defend and he'll be able to defend most NBA PF's.

And he'll be a non factor on the defensive glass. I want to get on board with Crowder at the 4 full time but he will be completely exposed anytime we face even a moderately big frontcourt. In the world of positionless/skilled/small ball, length is still king.

He's certainly not the long term solution at PF but he'll be fine while we are thin at big depth.
Right now assuming we waive Mickey and Olynyk walks we are looking at a big man rotation of Horford, Zizic, Theis and Yabusele so we wont have any choice but to let Crowder and Jaylen help them very regularly.

I still wouldnt write off a trade of Bradley for a PF given his expiring status with Jaylen moving to the SG primarily.

But right now I believe plan A is to have Jaylen, Gordon and Tatum starting together and interchanging between 2/3/4 on defense and Tatum gearing more to the 4 on offense once he beefs up.

[kozlodoev]

Guys our starting center is Al Horford. He's not playing PF lol.
And Crowder can play PF. He started at PF many games and playoff games. So did Green. In fact starting Green at PF and giving Jae minuyes at PF is what helped us get back in the chicago series.
We are running a system of positionless basketball.

It's why we are grooming Jaylen and Tatum to play next to Hayward.
Having Jae at PF on offense will be very hard to defend and he'll be able to defend most NBA PF's.

And he'll be a non factor on the defensive glass. I want to get on board with Crowder at the 4 full time but he will be completely exposed anytime we face even a moderately big frontcourt. In the world of positionless/skilled/small ball, length is still king.

Yeah, I think the rebounding edge could give Jaylen the advantage over Crowder. I love the idea of Jaylen's quickness against other PFs as well. That would give Boston a major advantage in transition and in the halfcourt with Jaylen's driving ability.

Tempted by Tatum but his defense is probably too bad as a rookie to start out of position at PF ahead of Crowder and Jaylen.

The "<insert one of our SFs name here> can play PF just fine" is such a tired and false narrative. If Crowder or Brown could do that they would have been starting last season, when our PF rotation was a revolving door of underperforming bums. It's not happening -- at least not with any measure of success.