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Re: So who goes?
« Reply #105 on: July 04, 2017, 09:09:02 PM »

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Trade for a PF.

This...I havent seen someone lay out options of starting caliber PF/C's for us to trade for. Ideally he would be good at rebounding and can shoot 3's somewhat respectfully.
What are you willing to give up?  And, the trade will also need to clear more space.  So probably more than we can ask for.


Any 2 of Bradley/Crowder/Rozier/Smart if it means we get a starting level frontcourt player to put next to Al.

Re: So who goes?
« Reply #106 on: July 04, 2017, 09:09:22 PM »

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Apparently Danny has already contacted some people about Smart. It'd really surprise me if Smart went over AB, though, since Smart projects to cost much less next year and can run the second unit.
If I'm getting rid of a player, then to me it's Smart by a wide margin.  Worst player of the bunch.  And salaries are irrelevant since we'll have to get salary back in all likelihood.
How the **** are salaries irrelevant?

We can't afford to pay 3 maxes and a near max.

Plus AB makes 3.5 mil more than Marcus extending the range of contracts we could take back ina. Deal
Im going to play out next year with the best possible roster.  After that, we can worry about who we're paying etc.  Marcus smart is a throwaway player.  Sure, he'll likely make a lot less than AB.  But that's because he sucks.  What good does it do to keep a player that sucks?
I can promise you Danny Ainge isn't gonna wait a year to "worry about who we are paying"

If he moves Marcus and then is unable to resign AB next year then he has made a big mistake.
Why?  Because we lost Marcus smart?  I'm not losing any sleep over that. 

But you're right, I'm sure Danny has it figur d out.  And if it involves trading smart, then maybe he's thinking like I'm thinking.  At least I hope so.
Yeah because we lost Marcus Smart. He's a quality guard and has shown the ability to be an x-factor type player in the post season. Obviously you're not firing a  over a mistake like that but right now you have 2 gaurds and to lose both when you only had to lose 1 would be very very dissapointing.

Especially as it will soon become difficult to find players like that as our long term salary commitments cut away or flexibility.

You are absolutely correct that Danny mighthave decided movin Marcus is the best option. He is clearly not as good as Bradley and it makes a decent amount of sense to pick Bradley over Marcus for that reason.

That said, there's no way that dannys just sitting there saying Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. it the salaries will work themselves out. He's got to take the impending free agencies of both these players into account when making this decision.

Re: So who goes?
« Reply #107 on: July 04, 2017, 09:10:32 PM »

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Resign JJ and let Crowder go. JJ can play PF at times. You ahve to let Tatum and Brown start to develop. AB and Smart bring us great defense.

-Crowder can also play PF
-Crowder also brings us great defense
I thought he regressed defensively last season.  And LeBron torched him. That said he can play the 4 and has a decent contract. If he's not depended on to score his defense may improve - so you can definitely make an argument for keeping him.

Re: So who goes?
« Reply #108 on: July 04, 2017, 09:13:41 PM »

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-Crowder can also play PF

Only in a pinch or from the bench

please no as a starter

He has like a 8'3 reach. He cant jump




Re: So who goes?
« Reply #109 on: July 04, 2017, 09:14:03 PM »

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http://twitter.com/JADubin5/status/882398052304257024

Apparently Danny has already contacted some people about Smart. It'd really surprise me if Smart went over AB, though, since Smart projects to cost much less next year and can run the second unit.
If I'm getting rid of a player, then to me it's Smart by a wide margin.  Worst player of the bunch.  And salaries are irrelevant since we'll have to get salary back in all likelihood.
How the **** are salaries irrelevant?

We can't afford to pay 3 maxes and a near max.

Plus AB makes 3.5 mil more than Marcus extending the range of contracts we could take back ina. Deal
Im going to play out next year with the best possible roster.  After that, we can worry about who we're paying etc.  Marcus smart is a throwaway player.  Sure, he'll likely make a lot less than AB.  But that's because he sucks.  What good does it do to keep a player that sucks?
I can promise you Danny Ainge isn't gonna wait a year to "worry about who we are paying"

If he moves Marcus and then is unable to resign AB next year then he has made a big mistake.
Why?  Because we lost Marcus smart?  I'm not losing any sleep over that. 

But you're right, I'm sure Danny has it figur d out.  And if it involves trading smart, then maybe he's thinking like I'm thinking.  At least I hope so.
Yeah because we lost Marcus Smart. He's a quality guard and has shown the ability to be an x-factor type player in the post season. Obviously you're not firing a  over a mistake like that but right now you have 2 gaurds and to lose both when you only had to lose 1 would be very very dissapointing.

Especially as it will soon become difficult to find players like that as our long term salary commitments cut away or flexibility.

You are absolutely correct that Danny mighthave decided movin Marcus is the best option. He is clearly not as good as Bradley and it makes a decent amount of sense to pick Bradley over Marcus for that reason.

That said, there's no way that dannys just sitting there saying **** it the salaries will work themselves out. He's got to take the impending free agencies of both these players into account when making this decision.
For the record, my comment about salari s was just about the here and now.  So trading a bigger salary doesn't make a difference because we'll need to take bigger salaries in return.

And like I said on the last page, I would rather pay AB next year than IT.  That's how I control salaries.

Re: So who goes?
« Reply #110 on: July 04, 2017, 09:15:02 PM »

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Trade Crowder plus a couple of picks(non relevant 1st rounders) for a C of a PF that has to be the game plan, right?
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Re: So who goes?
« Reply #111 on: July 04, 2017, 09:16:00 PM »

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The team needs a center.  Find a team that's looking to move a decent center, and then send what's needed out of the remaining moveables (Crowder/Smart/Bradley/Rozier).


When people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other.

Re: So who goes?
« Reply #112 on: July 04, 2017, 09:16:57 PM »

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http://twitter.com/JADubin5/status/882398052304257024

Apparently Danny has already contacted some people about Smart. It'd really surprise me if Smart went over AB, though, since Smart projects to cost much less next year and can run the second unit.
If I'm getting rid of a player, then to me it's Smart by a wide margin.  Worst player of the bunch.  And salaries are irrelevant since we'll have to get salary back in all likelihood.
How the **** are salaries irrelevant?

We can't afford to pay 3 maxes and a near max.

Plus AB makes 3.5 mil more than Marcus extending the range of contracts we could take back ina. Deal
Im going to play out next year with the best possible roster.  After that, we can worry about who we're paying etc.  Marcus smart is a throwaway player.  Sure, he'll likely make a lot less than AB.  But that's because he sucks.  What good does it do to keep a player that sucks?
I can promise you Danny Ainge isn't gonna wait a year to "worry about who we are paying"

If he moves Marcus and then is unable to resign AB next year then he has made a big mistake.
Why?  Because we lost Marcus smart?  I'm not losing any sleep over that. 

But you're right, I'm sure Danny has it figur d out.  And if it involves trading smart, then maybe he's thinking like I'm thinking.  At least I hope so.
Yeah because we lost Marcus Smart. He's a quality guard and has shown the ability to be an x-factor type player in the post season. Obviously you're not firing a  over a mistake like that but right now you have 2 gaurds and to lose both when you only had to lose 1 would be very very dissapointing.

Especially as it will soon become difficult to find players like that as our long term salary commitments cut away or flexibility.

You are absolutely correct that Danny mighthave decided movin Marcus is the best option. He is clearly not as good as Bradley and it makes a decent amount of sense to pick Bradley over Marcus for that reason.

That said, there's no way that dannys just sitting there saying **** it the salaries will work themselves out. He's got to take the impending free agencies of both these players into account when making this decision.
For the record, my comment about salari s was just about the here and now.  So trading a bigger salary doesn't make a difference because we'll need to take bigger salaries in return.

And like I said on the last page, I would rather pay AB next year than IT.  That's how I control salaries.
Wait what do you mean by take a bigger salary in return?

If we trade Marcus and throw Yabu back to China and keep Terry we can only take back 2.7 mil. We can't take back a bigger salary.

If we trade AB and do the same with terry and yabu we can take back 5 mil.

In neither situation are we likely to get a good PF in return.

Also, I understand the AB vs IT response and that would completely take care of the salary question with bradley, but I just don't see it. I mean IT was one of just 2 players and the Hayward meeting and Hayward mentioned him as a reason to come to Boston in the players tribune piece. I think Danny's gonna max him.

Re: So who goes?
« Reply #113 on: July 04, 2017, 09:17:27 PM »

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I'll be devastated if Smart goes.

Favorite player on the team by a wide margin. I'd completely understand the logic, but it would leave me really bummed and not excited at all about adding Hayward.

No logical reason to trade Smart unless they really don't think he is going to ever improve offensively, which I would highly doubt.

Re: So who goes?
« Reply #114 on: July 04, 2017, 09:18:16 PM »

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http://twitter.com/JADubin5/status/882398052304257024

Apparently Danny has already contacted some people about Smart. It'd really surprise me if Smart went over AB, though, since Smart projects to cost much less next year and can run the second unit.
If I'm getting rid of a player, then to me it's Smart by a wide margin.  Worst player of the bunch.  And salaries are irrelevant since we'll have to get salary back in all likelihood.
How the **** are salaries irrelevant?

We can't afford to pay 3 maxes and a near max.

Plus AB makes 3.5 mil more than Marcus extending the range of contracts we could take back ina. Deal
Im going to play out next year with the best possible roster.  After that, we can worry about who we're paying etc.  Marcus smart is a throwaway player.  Sure, he'll likely make a lot less than AB.  But that's because he sucks.  What good does it do to keep a player that sucks?
I can promise you Danny Ainge isn't gonna wait a year to "worry about who we are paying"

If he moves Marcus and then is unable to resign AB next year then he has made a big mistake.
Why?  Because we lost Marcus smart?  I'm not losing any sleep over that. 

But you're right, I'm sure Danny has it figur d out.  And if it involves trading smart, then maybe he's thinking like I'm thinking.  At least I hope so.
Yeah because we lost Marcus Smart. He's a quality guard and has shown the ability to be an x-factor type player in the post season. Obviously you're not firing a  over a mistake like that but right now you have 2 gaurds and to lose both when you only had to lose 1 would be very very dissapointing.

Especially as it will soon become difficult to find players like that as our long term salary commitments cut away or flexibility.

You are absolutely correct that Danny mighthave decided movin Marcus is the best option. He is clearly not as good as Bradley and it makes a decent amount of sense to pick Bradley over Marcus for that reason.

That said, there's no way that dannys just sitting there saying **** it the salaries will work themselves out. He's got to take the impending free agencies of both these players into account when making this decision.
For the record, my comment about salari s was just about the here and now.  So trading a bigger salary doesn't make a difference because we'll need to take bigger salaries in return.

And like I said on the last page, I would rather pay AB next year than IT.  That's how I control salaries.
Wait what do you mean by take a bigger salary in return?

If we trade Marcus and throw Yabu back to China and keep Terry we can only take back 2.7 mil. We can't take back a bigger salary.

If we trade AB and do the same with terry and yabu we can take back 5 mil.

In neither situation are we likely to get a good PF in return.
I mean if we trade AB we take bigger salary in ref turn than if we trade Smart.

Re: So who goes?
« Reply #115 on: July 04, 2017, 09:19:49 PM »

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-Crowder can also play PF

Only in a pinch or from the bench

please no as a starter

He has like a 8'3 reach. He cant jump

Crowder was our crunch time 4 last year. If you think he's too small/unathletic then you should take that up with Stevens

Re: So who goes?
« Reply #116 on: July 04, 2017, 09:21:27 PM »

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If all we are doing is opening up salary, then I hope Crowder is one of the players we keep. His contract is just too valuable with these exorbitant contracts we are signing everybody to.

On a related note, it is a real shame we keep losing all of our recent first round picks - KO, Sully, and now maybe AB and Smart (and perhaps Rozier). Winning is the #1 priority, but is nice to have some home grown talent. Hopefully when we trade for AD, we can deal just picks and keep JB/JT.

Re: So who goes?
« Reply #117 on: July 04, 2017, 09:21:31 PM »

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-Crowder can also play PF

Only in a pinch or from the bench

please no as a starter

He has like a 8'3 reach. He cant jump

Crowder was our crunch time 4 last year. If you think he's too small/unathletic then you should take that up with Stevens

Yes and what happened vs the Wizards and vs the Cavs??

Stevens can only play Crowder at the PF spot when he goes small....works sometimes

but there is a reason Crowder didn't start at 4 last year


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« Reply #118 on: July 04, 2017, 09:23:55 PM »

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Re: So who goes?
« Reply #119 on: July 04, 2017, 09:26:29 PM »

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Gary Washburn thinks Crowder goes to Atlanta

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2017/7/4/15920448/jae-crowder-trade-boston-celtics-atlanta-hawks

and also

NBA Free Agency 2017: Atlanta Hawks reportedly display interest in Kelly Olynyk