Paul George Traded To OKC

[MBunge]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.

I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

Mike

The fact that we didn't get an elite player who can go toe-to-toe with Lebron argues for it.

Then why didn't they get even ONE draft pick out of OKC? 

Mike

They were offered them. They preferred players over garbage picks.

Okay, where did anyone say that Indy wanted picks from OKC and the Thunder refused to give them?  Are you having a bunch of mini-strokes or something because you are not making any sense?

Mike

[Roy H.]

sorry to join the thread a bit late...19 pages late. 

has it been established that george would have definately signed with boston beyond one year?

if not, then trading anything of worth for him would have been a mistake by ainge.

It's not definite.

At the same time, it's not definite that we get the LAL pick, or even the SAC one.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.

I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

Mike

The fact that we didn't get an elite player who can go toe-to-toe with Lebron argues for it.

Then why didn't they get even ONE draft pick out of OKC? 

Mike

They were offered them. They preferred players over garbage picks.

And they took an expensive player and a young big who doesn't look like he's going to be any close to being an all-star.

That's not at all better.

[RJ87]

sorry to join the thread a bit late...19 pages late. 

has it been established that george would have definately signed with boston beyond one year?

if not, then trading anything of worth for him would have been a mistake by ainge.

It's not definite.

At the same time, it's not definite that we get the LAL pick, or even the SAC one.

Thank you.

[Roy H.]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.

I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

Mike

The fact that we didn't get an elite player who can go toe-to-toe with Lebron argues for it.

Then why didn't they get even ONE draft pick out of OKC? 

Mike

They were offered them. They preferred players over garbage picks.

And they took an expensive player and a young big who doesn't look like he's going to be any close to being an all-star.

That's not at all better.

I'd prefer Oladipo and Sabonis to Crowder and non-lottery picks.

It doesn't matter what we prefer, though. Indy wanted a legit offer from us. Danny wouldn't budge. Turning down the chance to get a 27 year old superstar who just averaged 28 / 9 / 7 against Lebron seems like a failure to me.

[TheBigTicket23]

sorry to join the thread a bit late...19 pages late. 

has it been established that george would have definately signed with boston beyond one year?

if not, then trading anything of worth for him would have been a mistake by ainge.

According to Adam Himmelsbach in NONE of the trade conversations an extension was agreed on.

So good decision to not empty the chest of assets.

[Who]

Indiana must really like Oladipo.

Otherwise, I do not have a clue why they made that trade.

[Sketch5]

sorry to join the thread a bit late...19 pages late. 

has it been established that george would have definately signed with boston beyond one year?

if not, then trading anything of worth for him would have been a mistake by ainge.

It's not definite.

At the same time, it's not definite that we get the LAL pick, or even the SAC one.

But with all the LA rumors never stopping, the odds might be greater with those picks.

I ran a sandwich shop for almost 20 years, when a customer wanted extra of something, you didn't give them a ton of it, just a little. Why? because the next time they come in they expect that much and more. And it goes up and up until you're broke.

I'm sure DA would have put the LA/Sac pick on the table AFTER Hayward was commited, but if he would have lead with the LA/SAC pick, Indy would have asked for the Nets/Brown/ or Tatum. DA would have said no, and Indy would be p---ed and walked just like they did.   

[Roy H.]

sorry to join the thread a bit late...19 pages late. 

has it been established that george would have definately signed with boston beyond one year?

if not, then trading anything of worth for him would have been a mistake by ainge.

It's not definite.

At the same time, it's not definite that we get the LAL pick, or even the SAC one.

But with all the LA rumors never stopping, the odds might be greater with those picks.

I ran a sandwich shop for almost 20 years, when a customer wanted extra of something, you didn't give them a ton of it, just a little. Why? because the next time they come in they expect that much and more. And it goes up and up until you're broke.

I'm sure DA would have put the LA/Sac pick on the table AFTER Hayward was commited, but if he would have lead with the LA/SAC pick, Indy would have asked for the Nets/Brown/ or Tatum. DA would have said no, and Indy would be p---ed and walked just like they did.

If Danny didn't put his best offer on the table, then he messed up. I agree that you don't lead with your best offer, but these negotiations have been open for weeks.

To play with your analogy a bit, if the biggest company in town offered you an exclusive catering contract, would you dicker over a 10 cent slice of cheese per sandwich?

Danny lowballed Indy, because he thought everyone else was low balling them, too. If he'd paid a fraction of what a 27 year old superstar is worth, we'd be contenders right now.

[Smitty77]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.

I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

Mike

The fact that we didn't get an elite player who can go toe-to-toe with Lebron argues for it.

Then why didn't they get even ONE draft pick out of OKC? 

Mike

They were offered them. They preferred players over garbage picks.

And they took an expensive player and a young big who doesn't look like he's going to be any close to being an all-star.

That's not at all better.

I'd prefer Oladipo and Sabonis to Crowder and non-lottery picks.

It doesn't matter what we prefer, though. Indy wanted a legit offer from us. Danny wouldn't budge. Turning down the chance to get a 27 year old superstar who just averaged 28 / 9 / 7 against Lebron seems like a failure to me.

No, a failure would be giving up true assets for a chance to get a ONE-YEAR RENTAL on a player that is NOT committed to your franchise!!  That would have been a FAILURE!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

sorry to join the thread a bit late...19 pages late. 

has it been established that george would have definately signed with boston beyond one year?

if not, then trading anything of worth for him would have been a mistake by ainge.

It's not definite.

At the same time, it's not definite that we get the LAL pick, or even the SAC one.

But with all the LA rumors never stopping, the odds might be greater with those picks.

I ran a sandwich shop for almost 20 years, when a customer wanted extra of something, you didn't give them a ton of it, just a little. Why? because the next time they come in they expect that much and more. And it goes up and up until you're broke.

I'm sure DA would have put the LA/Sac pick on the table AFTER Hayward was commited, but if he would have lead with the LA/SAC pick, Indy would have asked for the Nets/Brown/ or Tatum. DA would have said no, and Indy would be p---ed and walked just like they did.

If Danny didn't put his best offer on the table, then he messed up. I agree that you don't lead with your best offer, but these negotiations have been open for weeks.

To play with your analogy a bit, if the biggest company in town offered you an exclusive catering contract, would you dicker over a 10 cent slice of cheese per sandwich?

Danny lowballed Indy, because he thought everyone else was low balling them, too. If he'd paid a fraction of what a 27 year old superstar is worth, we'd be contenders right now.

A Paul George that would NOT have been committed to OUR franchise would NOT have made us a contender, but a bunch of suckers.

Smitty77

[Roy H.]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.

I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

Mike

The fact that we didn't get an elite player who can go toe-to-toe with Lebron argues for it.

Then why didn't they get even ONE draft pick out of OKC? 

Mike

They were offered them. They preferred players over garbage picks.

And they took an expensive player and a young big who doesn't look like he's going to be any close to being an all-star.

That's not at all better.

I'd prefer Oladipo and Sabonis to Crowder and non-lottery picks.

It doesn't matter what we prefer, though. Indy wanted a legit offer from us. Danny wouldn't budge. Turning down the chance to get a 27 year old superstar who just averaged 28 / 9 / 7 against Lebron seems like a failure to me.

No, a failure would be giving up true assets for a chance to get a ONE-YEAR RENTAL on a player that is NOT committed to your franchise!!  That would have been a FAILURE!!

Smitty77

A young superstar versus a draft pick that could end up being a 2019 Philly #1?

There are gambles with both options. I'm taking the superstar, especially since there were several reports that he was open to re-signing here and that he wanted Boston to trade for him.

[CELTICSofBOSTON]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.

I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

Mike

The fact that we didn't get an elite player who can go toe-to-toe with Lebron argues for it.

Then why didn't they get even ONE draft pick out of OKC? 

Mike

They were offered them. They preferred players over garbage picks.

And they took an expensive player and a young big who doesn't look like he's going to be any close to being an all-star.

That's not at all better.

I'd prefer Oladipo and Sabonis to Crowder and non-lottery picks.

It doesn't matter what we prefer, though. Indy wanted a legit offer from us. Danny wouldn't budge. Turning down the chance to get a 27 year old superstar who just averaged 28 / 9 / 7 against Lebron seems like a failure to me.

No, a failure would be giving up true assets for a chance to get a ONE-YEAR RENTAL on a player that is NOT committed to your franchise!!  That would have been a FAILURE!!

Smitty77

A young superstar versus a draft pick that could end up being a 2019 Philly #1?

There are gambles with both options. I'm taking the superstar, especially since there were several reports that he was open to re-signing here and that he wanted Boston to trade for him.

For one year? Interesting.

[Roy H.]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.

I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

Mike

The fact that we didn't get an elite player who can go toe-to-toe with Lebron argues for it.

Then why didn't they get even ONE draft pick out of OKC? 

Mike

They were offered them. They preferred players over garbage picks.

And they took an expensive player and a young big who doesn't look like he's going to be any close to being an all-star.

That's not at all better.

I'd prefer Oladipo and Sabonis to Crowder and non-lottery picks.

It doesn't matter what we prefer, though. Indy wanted a legit offer from us. Danny wouldn't budge. Turning down the chance to get a 27 year old superstar who just averaged 28 / 9 / 7 against Lebron seems like a failure to me.

No, a failure would be giving up true assets for a chance to get a ONE-YEAR RENTAL on a player that is NOT committed to your franchise!!  That would have been a FAILURE!!

Smitty77

A young superstar versus a draft pick that could end up being a 2019 Philly #1?

There are gambles with both options. I'm taking the superstar, especially since there were several reports that he was open to re-signing here and that he wanted Boston to trade for him.

For one year? Interesting.

I'd take the gamble, especially since George wanted to be here.

[ssspence]

I think this is the worst trade made in the NBA since Billy King ruined the Nets franchise with the Pierce / KG deal. It's literally unfathomable to me, both in a) timing, and b) return.

This article pretty much sums it up:

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/7/1/15907324/paul-george-trade-pacers-what-about-the-celtics