Paul George Traded To OKC

[green_bballers13]

Woj just said on ESPN that the Pacers wanted Crowder/Smart/multiple 1srs but we weren't willing to commit til we signed Hayward. Sounds like they panicked and jumped the gun early for some reason.

So, no LAL pick and we still said no?

Unreal.

I don't think we said no. I think we said to wait until the Hayward situation is addressed.

They asked for a handshake and a commitment. We said no.

Even without Hayward that would have been a ridiculous steal.

Steal for the Pacers? From where I sit, it seems like PG13 would play for the Celtics for one year. I wouldn't trade much value for a rental, even if its for Lebron (clearly he alone isn't enough to win the Celtics a championship).

PG13 is at the point of his career where he wants to either a) win championships or b) move back home to be close to family/friends. Boston accomplishes neither of these goals.

[Eja117]

Woj just said on ESPN that the Pacers wanted Crowder/Smart/multiple 1srs but we weren't willing to commit til we signed Hayward. Sounds like they panicked and jumped the gun early for some reason.

So, no LAL pick and we still said no?

Unreal.

I don't think we said no. I think we said to wait until the Hayward situation is addressed.

They asked for a handshake and a commitment. We said no.

Even without Hayward that would have been a ridiculous steal.

For the Pacers when PG leaves in a year

[Eja117]

Woj just said on ESPN that the Pacers wanted Crowder/Smart/multiple 1srs but we weren't willing to commit til we signed Hayward. Sounds like they panicked and jumped the gun early for some reason.

So, no LAL pick and we still said no?

Unreal.

I don't think we said no. I think we said to wait until the Hayward situation is addressed.

They asked for a handshake and a commitment. We said no.

Even without Hayward that would have been a ridiculous steal.

Steal for the Pacers? From where I sit, it seems like PG13 would play for the Celtics for one year. I wouldn't trade much value for a rental, even if its for Lebron (clearly he alone isn't enough to win the Celtics a championship).

PG13 is at the point of his career where he wants to either a) win championships or b) move back home to be close to family/friends. Boston accomplishes neither of these goals.

Bingo

[mctyson]

Woj just said on ESPN that the Pacers wanted Crowder/Smart/multiple 1srs but we weren't willing to commit til we signed Hayward. Sounds like they panicked and jumped the gun early for some reason.

So, no LAL pick and we still said no?

Unreal.

I don't think we said no. I think we said to wait until the Hayward situation is addressed.

They asked for a handshake and a commitment. We said no.

Even without Hayward that would have been a ridiculous steal.

"Ridiculous steal?"  For a one year rental?  Come on.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Woj just said on ESPN that the Pacers wanted Crowder/Smart/multiple 1srs but we weren't willing to commit til we signed Hayward. Sounds like they panicked and jumped the gun early for some reason.

So, no LAL pick and we still said no?

Unreal.

I don't think we said no. I think we said to wait until the Hayward situation is addressed.

They asked for a handshake and a commitment. We said no.

Even without Hayward that would have been a ridiculous steal.

It made sense to wait out on Hayward before we commit to a possible rental.

But yeah, that would have been still worth risking it.

God!!!!!!!

[Smitty77]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.

I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

Mike

The fact that we didn't get an elite player who can go toe-to-toe with Lebron argues for it.

Then why didn't they get even ONE draft pick out of OKC? 

Mike

They were offered them. They preferred players over garbage picks.

And they took an expensive player and a young big who doesn't look like he's going to be any close to being an all-star.

That's not at all better.

I'd prefer Oladipo and Sabonis to Crowder and non-lottery picks.

It doesn't matter what we prefer, though. Indy wanted a legit offer from us. Danny wouldn't budge. Turning down the chance to get a 27 year old superstar who just averaged 28 / 9 / 7 against Lebron seems like a failure to me.

No, a failure would be giving up true assets for a chance to get a ONE-YEAR RENTAL on a player that is NOT committed to your franchise!!  That would have been a FAILURE!!

Smitty77

A young superstar versus a draft pick that could end up being a 2019 Philly #1?

There are gambles with both options. I'm taking the superstar, especially since there were several reports that he was open to re-signing here and that he wanted Boston to trade for him.

There were FAR MORE reports saying that he will be heading to LA after this upcoming year!!  He grew up there and it has evidently ALWAYS been his dream to play there.  If we had raided our war chest and traded for PG, chances would have be around 10% that he re-sign.  I am WITH Danny on this!!

Smitty77

[Roy H.]

Woj just said on ESPN that the Pacers wanted Crowder/Smart/multiple 1srs but we weren't willing to commit til we signed Hayward. Sounds like they panicked and jumped the gun early for some reason.

So, no LAL pick and we still said no?

Unreal.

I don't think we said no. I think we said to wait until the Hayward situation is addressed.

They asked for a handshake and a commitment. We said no.

Even without Hayward that would have been a ridiculous steal.

"Ridiculous steal?"  For a one year rental?  Come on.

If you ignore all the reports that George was interested in re-upping here, I guess. George retweeted Pierce's suggestion that we trade for him. But none of that matters?

[Tr1boy]

Okc better pray pg13 makes one of the "all" teams

That way they can try to keep him via supermax

[Eja117]

Woj just said on ESPN that the Pacers wanted Crowder/Smart/multiple 1srs but we weren't willing to commit til we signed Hayward. Sounds like they panicked and jumped the gun early for some reason.

So, no LAL pick and we still said no?

Unreal.

I don't think we said no. I think we said to wait until the Hayward situation is addressed.

They asked for a handshake and a commitment. We said no.

Even without Hayward that would have been a ridiculous steal.

"Ridiculous steal?"  For a one year rental?  Come on.

If you ignore all the reports that George was interested in re-upping here, I guess. George retweeted Pierce's suggestion that we trade for him. But none of that matters?

Sure he was. Maybe he was if Hayward was here. You'd also have to ignore all the multi year reports about him wanting to go to LA.
If he was interested in re-upping he could have said so out loud.

[Smitty77]

Woj just said on ESPN that the Pacers wanted Crowder/Smart/multiple 1srs but we weren't willing to commit til we signed Hayward. Sounds like they panicked and jumped the gun early for some reason.

So, no LAL pick and we still said no?

Unreal.

I don't think we said no. I think we said to wait until the Hayward situation is addressed.

They asked for a handshake and a commitment. We said no.

Even without Hayward that would have been a ridiculous steal.

"Ridiculous steal?"  For a one year rental?  Come on.

If you ignore all the reports that George was interested in re-upping here, I guess. George retweeted Pierce's suggestion that we trade for him. But none of that matters?

Roy,

Please humor me and others and list "ALL the reports" that George was interested in re-upping here!!  Then, list all the "reports" stating that he was heading to LA in 2018-2019!!

Thanks,

Smitty77

[Roy H.]

Woj just said on ESPN that the Pacers wanted Crowder/Smart/multiple 1srs but we weren't willing to commit til we signed Hayward. Sounds like they panicked and jumped the gun early for some reason.

So, no LAL pick and we still said no?

Unreal.

I don't think we said no. I think we said to wait until the Hayward situation is addressed.

They asked for a handshake and a commitment. We said no.

Even without Hayward that would have been a ridiculous steal.

"Ridiculous steal?"  For a one year rental?  Come on.

If you ignore all the reports that George was interested in re-upping here, I guess. George retweeted Pierce's suggestion that we trade for him. But none of that matters?

Roy,

Please humor me and others and list "ALL the reports" that George was interested in re-upping here!!  Then, list all the "reports" stating that he was heading to LA in 2018-2019!!

Thanks,

Smitty77

The one time George spoke publicly, he indicated he wanted to be traded here.

[tarheelsxxiii]

This makes a lot more sense now, just signed Theis to a 2 year deal.

[blink]

Woj just said on ESPN that the Pacers wanted Crowder/Smart/multiple 1srs but we weren't willing to commit til we signed Hayward. Sounds like they panicked and jumped the gun early for some reason.

So, no LAL pick and we still said no?

Unreal.

I don't think we said no. I think we said to wait until the Hayward situation is addressed.

They asked for a handshake and a commitment. We said no.

Even without Hayward that would have been a ridiculous steal.

"Ridiculous steal?"  For a one year rental?  Come on.

If you ignore all the reports that George was interested in re-upping here, I guess. George retweeted Pierce's suggestion that we trade for him. But none of that matters?

Roy,

Please humor me and others and list "ALL the reports" that George was interested in re-upping here!!  Then, list all the "reports" stating that he was heading to LA in 2018-2019!!

Thanks,

Smitty77

The one time George spoke publicly, he indicated he wanted to be traded here.

When exactly did PG speak in public that he wanted to be traded to Boston?  I must have missed that statement.  And don't say because he liked some random tweet. 

[kozlodoev]

If you ignore all the reports that George was interested in re-upping here, I guess. George retweeted Pierce's suggestion that we trade for him. But none of that matters?

And Isaiah Thomas retweeted a bunch of stuff implying we should sign Hayward and Griffin and trade for George. Also, he tweeted a bunch of googly-eyes. People make too much of Twitter and Instagram these days. The no-attention-span generation will just click on anything.

[Atzar]

It has been really difficult for me to reason out Indy's thought process over the last week or so. 

First, there was the report that they wouldn't let Boston speak with Paul George to determine his willingness to re-sign, despite the fact that such a conversation could have made us more willing raise our offer.  As it is, we had to assume that he was just a rental and negotiate accordingly.

Now, they impose an artificial deadline on themselves before taking a lower offer.  Why?  I'm sure the OKC offer would have still been available a week from now. 

The report is that Indy didn't want to make a powerhouse in the East.  Again, why?  Indy isn't competing anytime soon anyway.  Cleveland and Boston both decline after a few years - the former because of Lebron's eventual decline, the latter because of money.  When they come down, ideally you're ready to play again.  So what's the problem? 

Rather than dealing with Cleveland or Boston or even LAL, they decided to take an overpaid SG who I'm not convinced is even a positive asset and a mediocre prospect big for their star forward.  I don't get any of this.