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Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #270 on: July 01, 2017, 08:50:35 AM »

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I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.

I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

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Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #271 on: July 01, 2017, 08:51:28 AM »

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Meanwhile, a source told ESPN's Jeff Goodman that the Celtics offered three first-round picks -- they did not include the Brooklyn Nets' pick in 2018 or the Los Angeles Lakers/Sacramento Kings pick -- and two starters (Jae Crowder being one) for George on draft night but were rejected

So basically...

Crowder, AB or Rozier, 2018 Celts 1st, 2019 memphis amd clippers 1st


Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #272 on: July 01, 2017, 08:53:22 AM »

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I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.


I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

Mike

The fact that we didn't get an elite player who can go toe-to-toe with Lebron argues for it.


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Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #273 on: July 01, 2017, 08:54:39 AM »

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So we are all in agreement that there is no reasonable reason to be mad at Danny, right?

That's not gonna stop the sports media from criticizing him.  Especially Nick Wright. I hate that guy more than  hate Felger!

Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #274 on: July 01, 2017, 09:01:51 AM »

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I'm with Roy on this one. Ainge should have included a prime asset to get it done.
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Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #275 on: July 01, 2017, 09:06:25 AM »

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I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.

I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

Would a Jae + LAL pick trade have killed our future? We could have spun off AB to another team to recoup an asset. There's a (minimal) risk that George leaves, but there's also a risk that our shiny top-5 pick turns into a 2019 Philly pick.

While I totally agree, offering 3 first (ours, Memphis's and LAC's) and Crowder would still be a much better return than Indy would have gotten. CP3 is gone, there's a high chance that pick is in the low teens to early 20s. Memphis isn't getting better anytime soon.

We just saw Portland be able to move to the #10 spot by paying two first round picks to Sacramento, it has some good value. Good value compare to Oladipo and whatever they will get with Sabonis.

I believe it. I think this is a trade to get PG away from the East, or a trade to wipe off Danny Ainge's face. I really makes no sense that even three late first, a starter quality player on a friendly deal, and maybe a young guard would be lesser value that $84 million for 4 and a young big.
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Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #276 on: July 01, 2017, 09:09:16 AM »

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Tough to understand the deal but my conclusion is that this offered two good young players with no dead weight salary back.  The Celtics and Cavs both needed to dump salary as part of the trade.  Indiana ended up with a deal that essentially had no bad salary coming back.  Probably was the reason they liked this deal best.
What exactly do you consider "dead weight salary" ?

Didn't realize Olidipo had signed the $84M contract.  Indy must really like him.  I am back to my tough to understand position.

Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #277 on: July 01, 2017, 09:09:44 AM »

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I'm with Roy on this one. Ainge should have included a prime asset to get it done.

No we shouldn't have. He could be a rental, and our non prime 1st round picks (we could offer three of them apparently), along with a starter or two, would have been good enough value to offer.

Chris Paul got a 6th man, a starting PG and a late 1st. I know Chris Paul is older but he's still an elite level talent, and he only got that much.
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Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #278 on: July 01, 2017, 09:20:19 AM »

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I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.


I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

Mike

The fact that we didn't get an elite player who can go toe-to-toe with Lebron argues for it.

Indy wanted to get a deal done before FA started. They also asked for a gold plated moon when they wanted Brown/Tatum/Nets/La's pick(rumored). Thats an insulting first request knowing PG13 has one year left with LA rumors buzzing around. I'd even be hesitant with trading that for AD just because I'd want at least ONE of Brown or Tatum to go with AD for the future.

DA came back with a low ball counter, maybe a little lower than he should, but he can't show all his cards until they meet with Hayward. What if Hayward doesn't want to play with him? We heard PG13 wanted to, but nothing from Hayward's camp. Why have a deal in place, and Hayward says no to George, or ends up staying in Utah. Then DA burns a bridge with Indy because he wont go threw with the agreed upon deal. He's not going to give up assets to an unknown situation with out a key piece in place.

Plus you have to look at whats going around you. Look at GSW. Curry's deal is going to cripple that team soon. No matter how many playoff games they play they wont be able to recover from it. Thompson has two years left, green has three. Thompson will be moved next summer if KD stays. Maybe sooner. I mean DA could offer AB/Crowder for Thompson, or Crowder/Brown, a cheaper option. Or an other, you get where I'm going at.

Thompson next to IT and Hayward may be even better than PG13 with his outside shooting.

Or something else could drop. Who saw OKC or Huston?

Things have to be put into place in an order, and sometimes things just don't work out.

Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #279 on: July 01, 2017, 09:23:24 AM »

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I'm with Roy on this one. Ainge should have included a prime asset to get it done.

No we shouldn't have. He could be a rental, and our non prime 1st round picks (we could offer three of them apparently), along with a starter or two, would have been good enough value to offer.

Chris Paul got a 6th man, a starting PG and a late 1st. I know Chris Paul is older but he's still an elite level talent, and he only got that much.

agree...go back to that Rogers for Joe Johnson trade...Celtics were fools to make that trade

and Tatum or Jackson have higher potential than Johnson


Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #280 on: July 01, 2017, 09:28:11 AM »

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I'm with Roy on this one. Ainge should have included a prime asset to get it done.

No we shouldn't have. He could be a rental, and our non prime 1st round picks (we could offer three of them apparently), along with a starter or two, would have been good enough value to offer.

Chris Paul got a 6th man, a starting PG and a late 1st. I know Chris Paul is older but he's still an elite level talent, and he only got that much.

agree...go back to that Rogers for Joe Johnson trade...Celtics were fools to make that trade

and Tatum or Jackson have higher potential than Johnson

Lol. Did you compare Paul George to Rodney Rogers?



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Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #281 on: July 01, 2017, 09:34:47 AM »

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I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.


I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

Mike

The fact that we didn't get an elite player who can go toe-to-toe with Lebron argues for it.

Then why didn't they get even ONE draft pick out of OKC? 

Mike

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« Reply #282 on: July 01, 2017, 09:37:38 AM »

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sorry to join the thread a bit late...19 pages late.  ;D

has it been established that george would have definately signed with boston beyond one year?

if not, then trading anything of worth for him would have been a mistake by ainge.
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Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #283 on: July 01, 2017, 09:43:43 AM »

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I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

This isn't like you.
It takes two to make a deal.
There was no deal with Boston unless it was way too much.
Good that it wasn't done.


I don't think the Lakers pick was way too much. George is an All-NBA talent. The odds that we draft a player with that pick who is even 90% of George are pretty slim. The odds of that pick even conveying next year aren't great, around 70% if the Lakers finish with the 4th worst record.

The fact that Indy couldn't get a much worse pick out of OKC or anyone else argues against that.

Mike

The fact that we didn't get an elite player who can go toe-to-toe with Lebron argues for it.

Then why didn't they get even ONE draft pick out of OKC? 

Mike

They were offered them. They preferred players over garbage picks.


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Re: Paul George Traded To OKC
« Reply #284 on: July 01, 2017, 09:45:55 AM »

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sorry to join the thread a bit late...19 pages late.  ;D

has it been established that george would have definately signed with boston beyond one year?

if not, then trading anything of worth for him would have been a mistake by ainge.

Nothing's been confirmed through the media but given what Indy got, it's hard to imagine George gave any indication he would re-sign anywhere he was traded.  I mean, the Lakers wouldn't give up Ingram explicitly because they expect to get George as a free agent next year.  If he stays in OKC, what a disaster will that be for Magic?

Mike