Woj: Sixers sending 2017 No. 3, 2018 Lakers pick, and possibly 2021

[dreamgreen]

You people are idiots if you think fultz is worth keeping the number one on this team.  He's overrated and we do t need another ****ing pg!!!!!  Get over it!

Not sure if he's overrated or not but we could use a guard that can score, we could use anyone that can score for that matter.

What we don't need is another player that can't score. We have a whole team of those guys.

Add to that bringing in a wing would tell me they don't think they have a good chance at Hayward, which is also depressing. 

[Big333223]

Just bear in mind these leaks will all be coming from the Philly side. There's no reason for Ainge to leak here. Philly will not be leaking their max price, that would be silly. So if there is any truth to this then expect it to be better than reported. More seems to be added to the package each day

This is key. I don't know what the advantage for Philly might be for leaking this stuff, but it is definitely coming from them, not the Celtics. Let's take all of this for what it is so far, a rumor.

[Neurotic Guy]

If Woj is correct about the expected return for the #1, I am a little disappointed and a little confused.  The trade would seem to me to be a no-brainer from Philly's perspective.  Getting a star-potential guard with length and great offensive skills gives them an absolutely amazing (potential) future core of Embiid, Simmons, Fultz, Saric and Okafur -- all 23 or under.  They have 2 years before they need to worry about adding salary for this core and can use these rookie contract years to add veteran FAs.  It is a gold mine opportunity to build a powerhouse team for the next 10 years -- as good an opportunity to build a possible dynasty as a basketball team from Philadelphia will ever get.  Adding Fultz to this mix while keeping their own 2018 and Sac's 2019 is an easy decision, IMO.   I would think Ainge would push to get Sac '19 along with LAL '18.  Or, make an exchange in the C's favor that may make sense for both sides (e.g. Saric for Rozier).   Perhaps offer up Clips or Memphis pick in order to get Sac '19 or Philly '18.

To Philly, Fultz is a perfect "bird in the hand" -- way more valuable than unknown future picks even though the future picks may turn out to be valuable (I have to believe that Philly expects to contend for a playoff berth this year making their '18 pick very expendable).   Please explain why Ainge would not shoot for the moon when Philly HAS to be salivating to get their hands on Fultz.  Maybe you see the Woj report as "shooting for the moon" but I see it as a no-brainer for Philly and a Well...Maybe for Boston.   

[Darío SpanishFan]

Maybe all these conspiracy theories about future trades and all that stuff is not reality at all.

Maybe Ainge doesn't see much difference among, say, Fultz, Ball, Jackson and Monk. And a difference of 1'5 million in cap space from 1 to 3 picks does make a difference to have room for Hayward.

Maybe Ainge is just trying to capitalize that and save those 1'5 million and getting a good extra pick for 2018.

Maybe it all falls apart and they are just leaking rumours on purpose.

The only sure thing is that we must wait. Maybe an hour, maybe a week.

[goCeltics]

danny got plently of time to start asking for more, this is what i would do, can't complete the trade till the actual day and once the picks being made.

[Androslav]

Maybe all these conspiracy theories about future trades and all that stuff is not reality at all.

Maybe Ainge doesn't see much difference among, say, Fultz, Ball, Jackson and Monk. And a difference of 1'5 million in cap space from 1 to 3 picks does make a difference to have room for Hayward.

Maybe Ainge is just trying to capitalize that and save those 1'5 million and getting a good extra pick for 2018.

Maybe it all falls apart and they are just leaking rumours on purpose.

The only sure thing is that we must wait. Maybe an hour, maybe a week.

I agree. The idea basically comes down to prioritizing Hayward signing and getting a pick or two in the proccess, before drafting Fultz. That way we stick to both paths shorterm/longterm. We wait and trust Danny.

[celticsclay]

If Woj is correct about the expected return for the #1, I am a little disappointed and a little confused.  The trade would seem to me to be a no-brainer from Philly's perspective.  Getting a star-potential guard with length and great offensive skills gives them an absolutely amazing (potential) future core of Embiid, Simmons, Fultz, Saric and Okafur -- all 23 or under.  They have 2 years before they need to worry about adding salary for this core and can use these rookie contract years to add veteran FAs.  It is a gold mine opportunity to build a powerhouse team for the next 10 years -- as good an opportunity to build a possible dynasty as a basketball team from Philadelphia will ever get.  Adding Fultz to this mix while keeping their own 2018 and Sac's 2019 is an easy decision, IMO.   I would think Ainge would push to get Sac '19 along with LAL '18.  Or, make an exchange in the C's favor that may make sense for both sides (e.g. Saric for Rozier).   Perhaps offer up Clips or Memphis pick in order to get Sac '19 or Philly '18.

To Philly, Fultz is a perfect "bird in the hand" -- way more valuable than unknown future picks even though the future picks may turn out to be valuable (I have to believe that Philly expects to contend for a playoff berth this year making their '18 pick very expendable).   Please explain why Ainge would not shoot for the moon when Philly HAS to be salivating to get their hands on Fultz.  Maybe you see the Woj report as "shooting for the moon" but I see it as a no-brainer for Philly and a Well...Maybe for Boston.

Lol at okafor

[j804]

https://twitter.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/876219013587755008

I'm sick

 

[celticinorlando]

I pray Jackson goes 2. Would rather have Tatum.

But the deal out there is just not enough. I am just baffled Josh Jackson has caught Danny's eye...

Pretty sorry deal...Lakers pick is my not be anything of value...protected future picks? Ridiculous

[Ilikesports17]

I pray Jackson goes 2. Would rather have Tatum.

But the deal out there is just not enough. I am just baffled Josh Jackson has caught Danny's eye...

Pretty sorry deal...Lakers pick is my not be anything of value...protected future picks? Ridiculous

The Lakers pick is absolutely something of value. That's probably gonna be a top 10 pick.

[PaulP34]

There he goes, right out that door. Good job Ainge hope ur happy

[Dino Pitino]

I've seen this point or something like it posted before, but it's worth reiterating. There is an either/or here.

Either:

Ainge's draft board doesn't look like the internet consensus and looks like this...

1. Jackson
2. Fultz/Ball/Tatum
3. Fultz/Ball/Tatum
4. Fultz/Ball/Tatum

...in which case, getting any additional lotto 1st next year is gravy for trading down, with anything more being gravy-on-top-of-gravy. In other words, of course we do a deal and pick our top-rated prospect anyway.

Or:

We're not impressed by this draft at all and we're looking to trade out of this draft altogether for a veteran star (Butler, George, whomever) but that we think sending out the #1 overall is too high a price and that the #3 would still get the job done, that we'd be leaving value on the table if we sent #1, so Ainge is trying to squeeze as much value as possible out of the situation first, thereby getting the veteran star we want but also getting that extra lotto gravy, too.

There isn't another scenario. It's one or the other. Right?

Ainge hasn't made a major mistake trade-wise yet, in fact he's won all major trades by a landslide, and he hasn't made a major talent evaluation error at the top of the draft yet, so I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt, whichever the scenario is.

[celticinorlando]

So he gets 2 more lottery picks so he can trade them for four more the next. Sooner or later Danny has to Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. or get off the pot.

Jackson is not better than Fultz. Jackson is not better than Tatum or Issac IMO. Getting more picks for next year's draft just so he can trade them again is getting old.

Only way this ends well is if he gets Butler. The Lakers could easily win 30-35 games this next season making this pick (the only thing Boston is getting out of the deal) a very low lottery pick. And as we are seeing..Danny just likes to collect them.

I just don't see how a guy like Jackson that is an below average ball handler...below average shooter and has a bad rep off the court helps this team.

[PaulP34]

Ainge just Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ed up bigtime. Make no mistake about it. Especially with this kid in the same division he's gonna terrorize the Celtics for years. Make us wish we kept him n the pick. Plain stupidity

[Ilikesports17]

Ainge just ****ed up bigtime. Make no mistake about it. Especially with this kid in the same division he's gonna terrorize the Celtics for years. Make us wish we kept him n the pick. Plain stupidity

Can you not use past tense for something that hasn't happened yet?