Fultz comparisons

[saltlover]

I don't mean this in an insulting way either. I'm over here playing chess in ways where some of you are playing checkers.  Not exactly that but what i'm saying isn't how it seems.  I just don't know how to explain that.  What I'm sayng makes perfect sense though.

walker, is that you?

Good catch!

[CF0022]

So what's your point?

[CF0022]

Do you know me or do you think you know me?

[CelticsElite]

Well Ray Allen is 6'6". Jordan etc. That is considered ideal.  Klay Thompson in todays nba.  He is undersized in that regard.  He is about the average guard size. I would have to check but he's about the same size as dwade i think which is average. Other than that he really isn't limited as far as his game.

I question mentally and physically how he can play at the highest level. But that is learned and comes from within as well. 

He's also taller than some guards as well.  But when you are going up against the best of the best which is what we want he is average in that regard and will be undersized at times.

Why its important that mentally and physically he understands that.

Other than that he is totally fine. I can see how I would utilize him on this team and what i want around him.  If it were to work.  I'm smart that way but I've tried to explain that how he would be successful for us.

The point here is to win a championship. Fultz is really fine.

i like how the only 6'6 shooting guards you can name don't play anymore

[CF0022]

I agree. I don't even see it that way. That's the whole point.

[Ilikesports17]

I don't mean this in an insulting way either. I'm over here playing chess in ways where some of you are playing checkers.  Not exactly that but what i'm saying isn't how it seems.  I just don't know how to explain that.  What I'm sayng makes perfect sense though.

Fultz is fine.  Not saying he is the only solution but if the celtics are going to be successful with him that's what we want.

Talk about a comeback!

Walker from the top rope!

[footey]

Well Ray Allen is 6'6". Jordan etc. That is considered ideal.  Klay Thompson in todays nba.  He is undersized in that regard.  He is about the average guard size. I would have to check but he's about the same size as dwade i think which is average. Other than that he really isn't limited as far as his game.

I question mentally and physically how he can play at the highest level. But that is learned and comes from within as well. 

He's also taller than some guards as well.  But when you are going up against the best of the best which is what we want he is average in that regard and will be undersized at times.

Why its important that mentally and physically he understands that.

Other than that he is totally fine. I can see how I would utilize him on this team and what i want around him.  If it were to work.  I'm smart that way but I've tried to explain that how he would be successful for us.

The point here is to win a championship. Fultz is really fine.

i like how the only 6'6 shooting guards you can name don't play anymore

And are actually 6'5"

[CF0022]

I just wanted to talk about the celtics.  that's all.  I don't check every player. I have a good memory but   jordan is 6'6".  Klay not sure. I thought he was 6'7".   Could be wrong.

[Ilikesports17]

I just wanted to talk about the celtics.  that's all.  I don't check every player. I have a good memory but   jordan is 6'6".  Klay not sure. I thought he was 6'7".   Could be wrong

Klay is indeed listed 6'7"

[CF0022]

I'm 6 foot even.  Taller than IT but shorter than Danny Ainge. Might be 6'1" on a good day.  It varies between 5'11 and 6'1". Some days I tower over people.  HEight is weird that way.

That is without shoes.  With shoes I am probably 6'2 or 3 i guess.  No idea.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Are people here worried about Fultz's lack of speed and explosion? I mean, he's hardly unathletic, but he doesn't jump out of the gym like other prospects. I think he's got tremendous talent that will translate to the NBA. For instance, he already looks comfortable in the pick & roll, which is a staple of NBA offenses. But I'd be concerned that he'd have trouble dribbling around the corner of a trap, for instance, or that you could put a similarly-sized SG on him and he wouldn't be quick enough to beat the defender off the dribble.

It's really hard to say. The other factor is that he's about to turn 19. Even physically speaking he could be totally different 2-3 years from now.

From what I've seen, his athleticism is deceptive, like Harden, plus he has great length, body control, and size, which can make up for a lack of explosion.

Agreed, this is preferable imo.  Players not as heavily reliant on athleticism tend to be less injury-prone (D. Rose, B. Davis, S. Francis) and have longer careers. 

His body control is freaky.  He'll be a fun player to watch. 

[Celtics4ever]

First, I'm not looking at dunk contest for athleticism.  The trick is to be able to explode in game conditions, moving at angles.  Don't care too much about how high a guy can jump. 

That said, Fultz is definitely athletic enough.  And his change of pace, and change of direction are off the charts.  He's incredibly slick and sophisticated for some his age.

I think those clips showed some of that.   It might surprise you but I could care less if you didn't want to see a dunk contest.   Jumping is a component of athletic ability, it is an important one for basketball but certainly not the sole one.   But the NBA combine tests several kinds of leaping, and if it was not important would they do this?

Guys in the thread above mine were questioning his ability to jump.   These clips proved he is fine in this regard.    One has to jump on one's jumper , layups and dunks.   One has to jump on D to block shots and threaten guys on defense.  They also test in the NFL.

The vertical jump at the NFL Combine measures a player's ability to get off the ground, but the importance of the test goes beyond the ability to jump high.

A player's reach is measured before the jump and the prospect then jumps flat-footed to hit as many flags above them as possible. The player is then given a second opportunity to hit more flags and best his previous jump.

While jumping ability is nice and the ability to win jump balls in the end zone can depend on your natural jumping abilities, the value of a strong vertical jump is that it shows a player's ability to burst off the line of scrimmage with lower body strength. That makes it an especially important statistic for lineman, who have to surge off the line with power.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/22/5406040/nfl-combine-2014-drills-vertical-jump

Scouts think it is important and two professional leagues think it is important.  I concede it is not the end all but I think I will go with the NBA and NFL and scouts over the likes of you, no offense.

I would imagine this power could translate into the first step that some thinks he lacks.

[Ilikesports17]

I think the best test of explosion is the broad jump. Best test of speed is the 3-cone drill

[CF0022]

paul pierce was not the most explosive athlete probably naturally. He worked on his leap constantly though.

I remember watching a workout of his a while back and it was more just a balanced workout  but he always worked on his leap as well.

Pierce was very balanced that way.  Smart dude. his workout was very common sense too.

He would do stairs and leaping exercises, jump rope etc and eat a balanced diet.

He was smart and knew what his weaknesses were that's the thing.

I would do the same things when I used to play.  just common sense.  Pierce was also raised well had a good family and just a common sense person.  Probably had a pretty high basketball iq.

[CF0022]

I don't expect that from Fultz.  Pierce's body type was just bigger.  He was a thick well built dude. Workhorse by nba standards vs a thoroughbred like jordan. Both 6'6". Fultz is different and is going to have to be more physical imo.  Dwade with more range. Maybe not as physical as that but would be nice.   I think he'll ultimately be a more balanced version of dwade.

He'll be much more a pg than Dwade though.  He's a pg but for us he's going to be more i nterchangeable at first and play off the ball .  Unless we trade IT. Then he's  a pg much earlier.