Woj Bomb: Knicks reach out to Celtics on Melo

[Surferdad]

I wonder.. if the C's did make a trade for Jimmy Butler (a BIG deal obviously), and then used some low-mid level assets (nothing too valuable) for Carmelo Anthony... could this team win the championship?

Anthony could focus on scoring along with IT, and Butler adds the defense with Smart/Brown/Crowder while also having the ability to score points if IT/Melo struggle a bit.

I mean, I've been pretty clear that I think that's a path worth exploring, and an Isaiah/Butler/Crowder/Melo/Horford smallball lineup could really get you places with the right bench, especially if you can find a way to make those moves while holding the 2018 Nets picks in reserve.

It's a pretty interesting scenario.

Idk if someone already made a thread discussing it though...

Can't happen.  If you keep Crowder you would have to trade Avery Bradley and both Nets picks for Butler, but then what do you trade for Melo?  Phil Jackson is no fool and won't trade Melo for Zeller + filler.

[Phantom255x]

I wonder.. if the C's did make a trade for Jimmy Butler (a BIG deal obviously), and then used some low-mid level assets (nothing too valuable) for Carmelo Anthony... could this team win the championship?

Anthony could focus on scoring along with IT, and Butler adds the defense with Smart/Brown/Crowder while also having the ability to score points if IT/Melo struggle a bit.

I mean, I've been pretty clear that I think that's a path worth exploring, and an Isaiah/Butler/Crowder/Melo/Horford smallball lineup could really get you places with the right bench, especially if you can find a way to make those moves while holding the 2018 Nets picks in reserve.

It's a pretty interesting scenario.

Idk if someone already made a thread discussing it though...

Can't happen.  If you keep Crowder you would have to trade Avery Bradley and both Nets picks for Butler, but then what do you trade for Melo?  Phil Jackson is no fool and won't trade Melo for Zeller + filler.

Rumor has it the Knicks are willing to trade Melo to LAC without needing back Griffin/Jordan/CP3.

I mean.. what else are they sending to the Knicks? Rivers, aging Crawford + second rounder?

Clippers hesitant to move Reddick apparently as well.

[bogg]

Can't happen.  If you keep Crowder you would have to trade Avery Bradley and both Nets picks for Butler, but then what do you trade for Melo?  Phil Jackson is no fool and won't trade Melo for Zeller + filler.

If reports about the current to Carmelo-to-LA talks are true, as well as Carmelo supposedly being willing to consider Boston, sure it can. Butler's on a first-tier old-CBA max, so Avery and another contract get you just about there for salary-matching purposes (and obviously a good chunk of the value for Butler will be provided in the form of Nets pick/picks), Zeller+Amir get you just about there for Carmelo, and Boston can provide picks to the Knicks that the Clippers can't (as well as expiring contracts for cap space). The math isn't that hard, and Boston has the picks to pull it off if the players are actually available. 

[Moranis]

I wonder.. if the C's did make a trade for Jimmy Butler (a BIG deal obviously), and then used some low-mid level assets (nothing too valuable) for Carmelo Anthony... could this team win the championship?

Anthony could focus on scoring along with IT, and Butler adds the defense with Smart/Brown/Crowder while also having the ability to score points if IT/Melo struggle a bit.

I mean, I've been pretty clear that I think that's a path worth exploring, and an Isaiah/Butler/Crowder/Melo/Horford smallball lineup could really get you places with the right bench, especially if you can find a way to make those moves while holding the 2018 Nets picks in reserve.

It's a pretty interesting scenario.

Idk if someone already made a thread discussing it though...

Can't happen.  If you keep Crowder you would have to trade Avery Bradley and both Nets picks for Butler, but then what do you trade for Melo?  Phil Jackson is no fool and won't trade Melo for Zeller + filler.

Rumor has it the Knicks are willing to trade Melo to LAC without needing back Griffin/Jordan/CP3.

I mean.. what else are they sending to the Knicks? Rivers, aging Crawford + second rounder?

Clippers hesitant to move Reddick apparently as well.

It wouldn't be that difficult either because you still have Brown, all the other 1st rounders, and the two Europeans.  I don't even think you would need both Nets picks for Butler.

3 team trade (which you could also break apart if need be)

Boston - Butler, Anthony, O'Quinn, Canaan
Chicago - Bradley, Jerekbo, Baker, BOS 2017, BOS 2018
New York - Brown, Johnson, Zeller, BOS 2019 (lotto protected)

Post trade (1 open roster spot)
PG - Thomas, Canaan, Rozier, Jackson
SG - Butler, Smart, Green
SF - Crowder, Young
PF - Anthony, Olynyk, Mickey
C - Horford, O'Quinn

Obviously the main rotation would be the starts and Smart, Olynyk, and O'Quinn with Canaan, Green, Young, and Rozier active and Jackson and Mickey in the DLeague.

I think that team would pose all of the contenders some real issues and Boston would still have the BKN 18, MEM, and LAC future 1sts (as well as all Boston ones after 2020) along with the draft and stash players.  And there is a chance you get to keep Brown as well since NY doesn't have much leverage. 

[Ilikesports17]

Can't happen.  If you keep Crowder you would have to trade Avery Bradley and both Nets picks for Butler, but then what do you trade for Melo?  Phil Jackson is no fool and won't trade Melo for Zeller + filler.

If reports about the current to Carmelo-to-LA talks are true, as well as Carmelo supposedly being willing to consider Boston, sure it can. Butler's on a first-tier old-CBA max, so Avery and another contract get you just about there for salary-matching purposes (and obviously a good chunk of the value for Butler will be provided in the form of Nets pick/picks), Zeller+Amir get you just about there for Carmelo, and Boston can provide picks to the Knicks that the Clippers can't (as well as expiring contracts for cap space). The math isn't that hard, and Boston has the picks to pull it off if the players are actually available.

Avery is 8 mil
Butler is 19.

How do we make up the extra 11 mil with Amir Zeller and a few more million going in the melondeal.

[bogg]

Can't happen.  If you keep Crowder you would have to trade Avery Bradley and both Nets picks for Butler, but then what do you trade for Melo?  Phil Jackson is no fool and won't trade Melo for Zeller + filler.

If reports about the current to Carmelo-to-LA talks are true, as well as Carmelo supposedly being willing to consider Boston, sure it can. Butler's on a first-tier old-CBA max, so Avery and another contract get you just about there for salary-matching purposes (and obviously a good chunk of the value for Butler will be provided in the form of Nets pick/picks), Zeller+Amir get you just about there for Carmelo, and Boston can provide picks to the Knicks that the Clippers can't (as well as expiring contracts for cap space). The math isn't that hard, and Boston has the picks to pull it off if the players are actually available.

Avery is 8 mil
Butler is 19.

How do we make up the extra 11 mil with Amir Zeller and a few more million going in the melondeal.

Butler's 17.6, and you don't need to match salaries exactly - they need to send out at least $12.6 million for salary-matching purposes under the current CBA. Avery's 8.3 plus Jaylen's 4.7 OR one of Smart/Olynyk's $3+ million coupled with just about any other contract gets you there easily without including either of Amir or Zeller (or Jonas, for that matter).

[Irish Stew]

I wonder.. if the C's did make a trade for Jimmy Butler (a BIG deal obviously), and then used some low-mid level assets (nothing too valuable) for Carmelo Anthony... could this team win the championship?

Anthony could focus on scoring along with IT, and Butler adds the defense with Smart/Brown/Crowder while also having the ability to score points if IT/Melo struggle a bit.

I mean, I've been pretty clear that I think that's a path worth exploring, and an Isaiah/Butler/Crowder/Melo/Horford smallball lineup could really get you places with the right bench, especially if you can find a way to make those moves while holding the 2018 Nets picks in reserve.

It's a pretty interesting scenario.

Idk if someone already made a thread discussing it though...

Can't happen.  If you keep Crowder you would have to trade Avery Bradley and both Nets picks for Butler, but then what do you trade for Melo?  Phil Jackson is no fool and won't trade Melo for Zeller + filler.

Rumor has it the Knicks are willing to trade Melo to LAC without needing back Griffin/Jordan/CP3.

I mean.. what else are they sending to the Knicks? Rivers, aging Crawford + second rounder?

Clippers hesitant to move Reddick apparently as well.

It wouldn't be that difficult either because you still have Brown, all the other 1st rounders, and the two Europeans.  I don't even think you would need both Nets picks for Butler.

3 team trade (which you could also break apart if need be)

Boston - Butler, Anthony, O'Quinn, Canaan
Chicago - Bradley, Jerekbo, Baker, BOS 2017, BOS 2018
New York - Brown, Johnson, Zeller, BOS 2019 (lotto protected)

Post trade (1 open roster spot)
PG - Thomas, Canaan, Rozier, Jackson
SG - Butler, Smart, Green
SF - Crowder, Young
PF - Anthony, Olynyk, Mickey
C - Horford, O'Quinn

Obviously the main rotation would be the starts and Smart, Olynyk, and O'Quinn with Canaan, Green, Young, and Rozier active and Jackson and Mickey in the DLeague.

I think that team would pose all of the contenders some real issues and Boston would still have the BKN 18, MEM, and LAC future 1sts (as well as all Boston ones after 2020) along with the draft and stash players.  And there is a chance you get to keep Brown as well since NY doesn't have much leverage.

TP for what looks like a reasonable well thought out proposal. My only questions are whether Chicago might demand both Nets picks and would Phil: 1) include O'Quinn 2) be satisfied with only one future #1?

[hodgy03038]

When you say BOS 2017 you mean the Nets pick? We have the right to swap with the Nets - we don't have both right?

[Moranis]

When you say BOS 2017 you mean the Nets pick? We have the right to swap with the Nets - we don't have both right?

Yes.  It is Boston's pick with the right to swap with Brooklyn.  We do have both in 2018, so the Boston 2018 pick is actually Boston's and not Brooklyn's.  If we did that trade we would be unable to trade the Brooklyn 2018 pick without receiving a 2018 first back or until after the pick has been made (so it could be a draft day trade that is finalized after the draft).

[The One]

Last 5 games for Melo:

54.1 FG% / 58.1 3P% / 28.4 PTS

And there's this yesterday from our friend Kevin O'Connor:

"The Celtics have a chest full of assets, but in-their-prime superstars like Butler and George likely won’t be available (and even if they were, it’d require probably both Nets picks and much more). Buying used can be better than buying new: The pre-owned option is Carmelo Anthony, whose price would likely be low since destinations are sparse. As a go-to scorer in his own right and a 45.6 percent shooter off the catch, per Spor****, Melo would alleviate pressure on Thomas. Above all else, when paired with Thomas, Melo is a puzzle piece for one of the deadliest plays in basketball.
When LeBron sets a screen for Irving, it puts the defense in an impossible position. If the defense switches, LeBron will pummel the tiny defender or Irving will blow by the forward. Boston needs this nightmare matchup proposition. A Thomas-Anthony pick-and-roll could give the Celtics a devastating attack when the game slows down in the fourth quarter. Thomas might be the King in the Fourth, but not even King James can do it all himself."

https://theringer.com/pressing-eastern-conference-questions-36897397d17#.jdk1uc2u0

[Tr1boy]

Last 5 games for Melo:

54.1 FG% / 58.1 3P% / 28.4 PTS

And there's this yesterday from our friend Kevin O'Connor:

"The Celtics have a chest full of assets, but in-their-prime superstars like Butler and George likely won’t be available (and even if they were, it’d require probably both Nets picks and much more). Buying used can be better than buying new: The pre-owned option is Carmelo Anthony, whose price would likely be low since destinations are sparse. As a go-to scorer in his own right and a 45.6 percent shooter off the catch, per Spor****, Melo would alleviate pressure on Thomas. Above all else, when paired with Thomas, Melo is a puzzle piece for one of the deadliest plays in basketball.
When LeBron sets a screen for Irving, it puts the defense in an impossible position. If the defense switches, LeBron will pummel the tiny defender or Irving will blow by the forward. Boston needs this nightmare matchup proposition. A Thomas-Anthony pick-and-roll could give the Celtics a devastating attack when the game slows down in the fourth quarter. Thomas might be the King in the Fourth, but not even King James can do it all himself."

https://theringer.com/pressing-eastern-conference-questions-36897397d17#.jdk1uc2u0

Did the Knicks win any of those 5 games??

What happened yesterday?

Melo knows how to pad stats... thats it

[LilRip]

Last 5 games for Melo:

54.1 FG% / 58.1 3P% / 28.4 PTS

And there's this yesterday from our friend Kevin O'Connor:

"The Celtics have a chest full of assets, but in-their-prime superstars like Butler and George likely won’t be available (and even if they were, it’d require probably both Nets picks and much more). Buying used can be better than buying new: The pre-owned option is Carmelo Anthony, whose price would likely be low since destinations are sparse. As a go-to scorer in his own right and a 45.6 percent shooter off the catch, per Spor****, Melo would alleviate pressure on Thomas. Above all else, when paired with Thomas, Melo is a puzzle piece for one of the deadliest plays in basketball.
When LeBron sets a screen for Irving, it puts the defense in an impossible position. If the defense switches, LeBron will pummel the tiny defender or Irving will blow by the forward. Boston needs this nightmare matchup proposition. A Thomas-Anthony pick-and-roll could give the Celtics a devastating attack when the game slows down in the fourth quarter. Thomas might be the King in the Fourth, but not even King James can do it all himself."

https://theringer.com/pressing-eastern-conference-questions-36897397d17#.jdk1uc2u0

Did the Knicks win any of those 5 games??

What happened yesterday?

Melo knows how to pad stats... thats it

So does that mean you wouldn't take Porzingis either?

[trickybilly]

This is a classic situation where I don't care a hoot for metrics. I don't like his game.. The nineties and naughties are finished. Let's find a taller Marcus Smart or a better shooting Marcus Smart. Or just Marcus Smart..

[Diggles]

I hated it at first.......... but Melo off a pick and pop with IT.    I remember the year Melo played PF and was getting 8 boards a game.   He might buy in, and IF big If he trys to fit in and we remove Bradley from the starting unit it might work.   Smart wants to win, and will play with in him self....



T ROZ
Bradely/Green
Brown
JJ/KO
Johnson/Hernangomez


 

IT          OR     IT
Smart             Bradely
Jae                 Melo
Melo               AL
AL                  KO, Johnson or Hernangomez


That said we would have to lose Amir (which he plays a big TEAM role) Could be a Perk thing all over again..... But Id do this...... If we only had to give up the 2018 Boston 1st and as many seconds we need to.  Rights to Yab (melo plays his position for us now)

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j68lcc9

[Kuberski33]

This is a classic situation where I don't care a hoot for metrics. I don't like his game.. The nineties and naughties are finished. Let's find a taller Marcus Smart or a better shooting Marcus Smart. Or just Marcus Smart..

A taller Marcus Smart may be Nerlens Noel.