Woj Bomb: Knicks reach out to Celtics on Melo

[footey]

McHale did not like idea of Melo on Celtics. Would disrupt ball flow.

[Moranis]

Bulprett article today basically said the Celtics have a clear interest in Anthony but the Knicks are being wholly unrealistic in their asking price, which is why Boston basically said it wasn't interested.

[tankcity!]

Bulprett article today basically said the Celtics have a clear interest in Anthony but the Knicks are being wholly unrealistic in their asking price, which is why Boston basically said it wasn't interested.

Depends on who you believe. This report says they don't have any interest due to him not filling their rebounding and defense issues.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18599948/cleveland-cavaliers-new-york-knicks-pursuit-kevin-love-potential-trade-carmelo-anthony

[Monkhouse]

McHale doesn't like the idea of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oAOo6-kmew

Next to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlWLKYWSMUs

And then paired up with this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Wh-05hX3c

Carmelo is still one of the most polished scorers in the NBA, and we're putting him to next the Jack of Trades, and the King in the 4th. If any coach is able to coach these players, I lead it up to Stevens. Who were able to engage Evan Turner and even Crawford into suitable players.

I don't think our offense will worsen; in fact I think it will get even better. I'm not sure about our defense, it will maybe weaken, but we can lead Stevens and Ainge to get the right players next to Melo, Horford, and Isaiah.

That is a great trio of offensive players, that are skilled, smart, and great passers for their position.

That team is certainly better than the Raptors. And we still have a treasure trove of assets stockpiled on Ainge's desking, who's giddy like a drunk West Virginia male at a strip bar with absolutely nothing to do but let the club come up like its A Tuesday.

Melo isn't going to cost the moon. He's a better player than Crowder. Offensively. And Melo is a proven scorer in the playoffs, Olympics, and can show when put next to great players, he does just as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxqQX2Do6Bw

Melo is going to benefit from HOW MUCH space he'll get. Crowder has improved through hard work, and running through more screens now. But Melo will get nothing but 'splash,' on these buckets, with how wet and easy they'll be. Crowder isn't averaging close to 50/40/90 without the coincidental presence of Horford.

Horford is going to get him easy looks, and he's going to set perfectly timed picks to free up Melo.


That being all said, I don't want to give up Crowder, or Smart. Bradley its iffy for me, because I'm not sure how much he's going to cost. We can pout all we want, about keeping Bradley, but with how much he has improved offensively, and being one of our best rebounders, he's going to get paid a hefty amount. 3 and D players like him, and at under 27, are going to get overpaid substantially in the free agency.

If there is cap contract issues, I trust if there is anything who can fix any problem, its Ainge. He'll devise some crazy 3 team trade. 

[Moranis]

Bulprett article today basically said the Celtics have a clear interest in Anthony but the Knicks are being wholly unrealistic in their asking price, which is why Boston basically said it wasn't interested.

Depends on who you believe. This report says they don't have any interest due to him not filling their rebounding and defense issues.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18599948/cleveland-cavaliers-new-york-knicks-pursuit-kevin-love-potential-trade-carmelo-anthony

that is not what that ESPN article says at all.

[Humble G]

McHale doesn't like the idea of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oAOo6-kmew

Next to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlWLKYWSMUs

And then paired up with this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Wh-05hX3c

Carmelo is still one of the most polished scorers in the NBA, and we're putting him to next the Jack of Trades, and the King in the 4th. If any coach is able to coach these players, I lead it up to Stevens. Who were able to engage Evan Turner and even Crawford into suitable players.

I don't think our offense will worsen; in fact I think it will get even better. I'm not sure about our defense, it will maybe weaken, but we can lead Stevens and Ainge to get the right players next to Melo, Horford, and Isaiah.

That is a great trio of offensive players, that are skilled, smart, and great passers for their position.

That team is certainly better than the Raptors. And we still have a treasure trove of assets stockpiled on Ainge's desking, who's giddy like a drunk West Virginia male at a strip bar with absolutely nothing to do but let the club come up like its A Tuesday.

Melo isn't going to cost the moon. He's a better player than Crowder. Offensively. And Melo is a proven scorer in the playoffs, Olympics, and can show when put next to great players, he does just as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxqQX2Do6Bw

Melo is going to benefit from HOW MUCH space he'll get. Crowder has improved through hard work, and running through more screens now. But Melo will get nothing but 'splash,' on these buckets, with how wet and easy they'll be. Crowder isn't averaging close to 50/40/90 without the coincidental presence of Horford.

Horford is going to get him easy looks, and he's going to set perfectly timed picks to free up Melo.


That being all said, I don't want to give up Crowder, or Smart. Bradley its iffy for me, because I'm not sure how much he's going to cost. We can pout all we want, about keeping Bradley, but with how much he has improved offensively, and being one of our best rebounders, he's going to get paid a hefty amount. 3 and D players like him, and at under 27, are going to get overpaid substantially in the free agency.

If there is cap contract issues, I trust if there is anything who can fix any problem, its Ainge. He'll devise some crazy 3 team trade. 

I think I would rather trade Avery rather than Crowder in most cases but in this case with Melo I would rather trade Crowder. Bradley would be a better fit at SG than Crowder unless we went small ball which I am not a super fan of. Plus I am not sure how thrilled Crowder would be coming off the bench and losing minutes. I really like Jae and what he brings but....

[Phantom255x]

So let me get this straight...

The Knicks tell the Clippers they will accept any deal WITHOUT any of CP3, Griffin or D. Jordan (so essentially Rivers + aging Crawford + random second round pick...)

But their asking price when talking to Boston is a lot higher??

LOL wow what a dysfunctional franchise. "The Mecca of Basketball" 

I'm actually feeling a bit bad for Melo. Knicks are playing with him at this point. (Well Phil Jackson I mean)

[Celtics4ever]

Carmelo is still one of the most polished scorers in the NBA, and we're putting him to next the Jack of Trades, and the King in the 4th. If any coach is able to coach these players, I lead it up to Stevens. Who were able to engage Evan Turner and even Crawford into suitable players.

I don't think our offense will worsen; in fact I think it will get even better. I'm not sure about our defense, it will maybe weaken, but we can lead Stevens and Ainge to get the right players next to Melo, Horford, and Isaiah.

That is a great trio of offensive players, that are skilled, smart, and great passers for their position.

That team is certainly better than the Raptors. And we still have a treasure trove of assets stockpiled on Ainge's desking, who's giddy like a drunk West Virginia male at a strip bar with absolutely nothing to do but let the club come up like its A Tuesday.

Melo isn't going to cost the moon. He's a better player than Crowder. Offensively. And Melo is a proven scorer in the playoffs, Olympics, and can show when put next to great players, he does just as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxqQX2Do6Bw

Melo is going to benefit from HOW MUCH space he'll get. Crowder has improved through hard work, and running through more screens now. But Melo will get nothing but 'splash,' on these buckets, with how wet and easy they'll be. Crowder isn't averaging close to 50/40/90 without the coincidental presence of Horford.

And he won't play D which cancels out a lot of the good things above.  Every team that has got him thought this and yet success has eluded them.   

This team with Melo and Iverson was decent team that could not win one game in the playoffs.

. Despite winning 50 games, the Nuggets entered the playoffs as the number 8 seed in the Western Conference. They failed to make it out of the first round once again as they were swept by the eventual Western Conference Champion Los Angeles Lakers, led by league MVP Kobe Bryant, in four straight games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Denver_Nuggets_season

[JBcat]

Carmelo is still one of the most polished scorers in the NBA, and we're putting him to next the Jack of Trades, and the King in the 4th. If any coach is able to coach these players, I lead it up to Stevens. Who were able to engage Evan Turner and even Crawford into suitable players.

I don't think our offense will worsen; in fact I think it will get even better. I'm not sure about our defense, it will maybe weaken, but we can lead Stevens and Ainge to get the right players next to Melo, Horford, and Isaiah.

That is a great trio of offensive players, that are skilled, smart, and great passers for their position.

That team is certainly better than the Raptors. And we still have a treasure trove of assets stockpiled on Ainge's desking, who's giddy like a drunk West Virginia male at a strip bar with absolutely nothing to do but let the club come up like its A Tuesday.

Melo isn't going to cost the moon. He's a better player than Crowder. Offensively. And Melo is a proven scorer in the playoffs, Olympics, and can show when put next to great players, he does just as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxqQX2Do6Bw

Melo is going to benefit from HOW MUCH space he'll get. Crowder has improved through hard work, and running through more screens now. But Melo will get nothing but 'splash,' on these buckets, with how wet and easy they'll be. Crowder isn't averaging close to 50/40/90 without the coincidental presence of Horford.

And he won't play D which cancels out a lot of the good things above.  Every team that has got him thought this and yet success has eluded them.   

This team with Melo and Iverson was decent team that could not win one game in the playoffs.

. Despite winning 50 games, the Nuggets entered the playoffs as the number 8 seed in the Western Conference. They failed to make it out of the first round once again as they were swept by the eventual Western Conference Champion Los Angeles Lakers, led by league MVP Kobe Bryant, in four straight games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Denver_Nuggets_season

His D has been reasonable when playing the PF position over the past 4 years, and a byproduct of getting Melo is Horford would play more of the C spot which he probably should be.  He would get more open looks here, and is shooting 42% on open 3's this season.

As long as we don't use major assets to get him he would be a huge expiring contract in 1 and half years that we could potentially use with major assets to acquire a younger star.  In this day and age of escalating salaries, and designated max salaries, his salary could come in handy for a big trade down the line in matching salaries for a trade.

His no trade clause really should bring down his value as it appears he is only interested in a few teams.

[csfansince60s]

So let me get this straight...

The Knicks tell the Clippers they will accept any deal WITHOUT any of CP3, Griffin or D. Jordan (so essentially Rivers + aging Crawford + random second round pick...)

But their asking price when talking to Boston is a lot higher??

LOL wow what a dysfunctional franchise. "The Mecca of Basketball" 

TP....thinking the same thing....well put.

I'm sure that Jackson is sensitive and resistant, though, to the idea of trading to an historic rival in the same division. If we ever made the ECF or as unlikely as it might be the NBAF, and he got pennies on the dollar for Melo and Melo was a big reason we got there, phew!! That's big exposure to him and his reputation ( which I think sucks now anyway ), but he won't admit that, but it could keep him from dealing with us at a bargain rate..... until he realizes he has no other options… Let's hope it's before the deadline.

Melo  Will be playing with the best team that he has ever played with on in the real "Gah-den".

[saltlover]

Carmelo is still one of the most polished scorers in the NBA, and we're putting him to next the Jack of Trades, and the King in the 4th. If any coach is able to coach these players, I lead it up to Stevens. Who were able to engage Evan Turner and even Crawford into suitable players.

I don't think our offense will worsen; in fact I think it will get even better. I'm not sure about our defense, it will maybe weaken, but we can lead Stevens and Ainge to get the right players next to Melo, Horford, and Isaiah.

That is a great trio of offensive players, that are skilled, smart, and great passers for their position.

That team is certainly better than the Raptors. And we still have a treasure trove of assets stockpiled on Ainge's desking, who's giddy like a drunk West Virginia male at a strip bar with absolutely nothing to do but let the club come up like its A Tuesday.

Melo isn't going to cost the moon. He's a better player than Crowder. Offensively. And Melo is a proven scorer in the playoffs, Olympics, and can show when put next to great players, he does just as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxqQX2Do6Bw

Melo is going to benefit from HOW MUCH space he'll get. Crowder has improved through hard work, and running through more screens now. But Melo will get nothing but 'splash,' on these buckets, with how wet and easy they'll be. Crowder isn't averaging close to 50/40/90 without the coincidental presence of Horford.

And he won't play D which cancels out a lot of the good things above.  Every team that has got him thought this and yet success has eluded them.   

This team with Melo and Iverson was decent team that could not win one game in the playoffs.

. Despite winning 50 games, the Nuggets entered the playoffs as the number 8 seed in the Western Conference. They failed to make it out of the first round once again as they were swept by the eventual Western Conference Champion Los Angeles Lakers, led by league MVP Kobe Bryant, in four straight games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Denver_Nuggets_season

And the next year he went to the Conference Finals.  What's your point?

[bogg]

Carmelo is still one of the most polished scorers in the NBA, and we're putting him to next the Jack of Trades, and the King in the 4th. If any coach is able to coach these players, I lead it up to Stevens. Who were able to engage Evan Turner and even Crawford into suitable players.

I don't think our offense will worsen; in fact I think it will get even better. I'm not sure about our defense, it will maybe weaken, but we can lead Stevens and Ainge to get the right players next to Melo, Horford, and Isaiah.

That is a great trio of offensive players, that are skilled, smart, and great passers for their position.

That team is certainly better than the Raptors. And we still have a treasure trove of assets stockpiled on Ainge's desking, who's giddy like a drunk West Virginia male at a strip bar with absolutely nothing to do but let the club come up like its A Tuesday.

Melo isn't going to cost the moon. He's a better player than Crowder. Offensively. And Melo is a proven scorer in the playoffs, Olympics, and can show when put next to great players, he does just as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxqQX2Do6Bw

Melo is going to benefit from HOW MUCH space he'll get. Crowder has improved through hard work, and running through more screens now. But Melo will get nothing but 'splash,' on these buckets, with how wet and easy they'll be. Crowder isn't averaging close to 50/40/90 without the coincidental presence of Horford.

And he won't play D which cancels out a lot of the good things above.  Every team that has got him thought this and yet success has eluded them.   

This team with Melo and Iverson was decent team that could not win one game in the playoffs.

. Despite winning 50 games, the Nuggets entered the playoffs as the number 8 seed in the Western Conference. They failed to make it out of the first round once again as they were swept by the eventual Western Conference Champion Los Angeles Lakers, led by league MVP Kobe Bryant, in four straight games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Denver_Nuggets_season

And the next year he went to the Conference Finals.  What's your point?

Yea, the West was brutal that year, with the Nuggets winding up as the eighth seed despite winning 50 games and the Warriors ending the season in the lottery after notching 48 wins (which was good for third in the East last year). "Lost to the Kobe/Gasol Lakers in the playoffs" succinctly describes the entire NBA for a three-year period, aside from the Celts in '08. 

[Phantom255x]

I wonder.. if the C's did make a trade for Jimmy Butler (a BIG deal obviously), and then used some low-mid level assets (nothing too valuable) for Carmelo Anthony... could this team win the championship?

Anthony could focus on scoring along with IT, and Butler adds the defense with Smart/Brown/Crowder while also having the ability to score points if IT/Melo struggle a bit.

[bogg]

I wonder.. if the C's did make a trade for Jimmy Butler (a BIG deal obviously), and then used some low-mid level assets (nothing too valuable) for Carmelo Anthony... could this team win the championship?

Anthony could focus on scoring along with IT, and Butler adds the defense with Smart/Brown/Crowder while also having the ability to score points if IT/Melo struggle a bit.

I mean, I've been pretty clear that I think that's a path worth exploring, and an Isaiah/Butler/Crowder/Melo/Horford smallball lineup could really get you places with the right bench, especially if you can find a way to make those moves while holding the 2018 Nets picks in reserve.

[Phantom255x]

I wonder.. if the C's did make a trade for Jimmy Butler (a BIG deal obviously), and then used some low-mid level assets (nothing too valuable) for Carmelo Anthony... could this team win the championship?

Anthony could focus on scoring along with IT, and Butler adds the defense with Smart/Brown/Crowder while also having the ability to score points if IT/Melo struggle a bit.

I mean, I've been pretty clear that I think that's a path worth exploring, and an Isaiah/Butler/Crowder/Melo/Horford smallball lineup could really get you places with the right bench, especially if you can find a way to make those moves while holding the 2018 Nets picks in reserve.

It's a pretty interesting scenario.

Idk if someone already made a thread discussing it though...