Woj Bomb: Knicks reach out to Celtics on Melo

[moiso]

This is a classic situation where I don't care a hoot for metrics. I don't like his game.. The nineties and naughties are finished. Let's find a taller Marcus Smart or a better shooting Marcus Smart. Or just Marcus Smart..

A taller Marcus Smart may be Nerlens Noel.

With zero physical toughness or strength,  two of Marcus's main attributes.

[Smokeeye123]

This is a classic situation where I don't care a hoot for metrics. I don't like his game.. The nineties and naughties are finished. Let's find a taller Marcus Smart or a better shooting Marcus Smart. Or just Marcus Smart..

A taller Marcus Smart may be Nerlens Noel.

With zero physical toughness or strength,  two of Marcus's main attributes.

I believe Draymond Green is a taller Marcus Smart..Or vice versa.

[GreenEnvy]

Last 5 games for Melo:

54.1 FG% / 58.1 3P% / 28.4 PTS

And there's this yesterday from our friend Kevin O'Connor:

"The Celtics have a chest full of assets, but in-their-prime superstars like Butler and George likely won’t be available (and even if they were, it’d require probably both Nets picks and much more). Buying used can be better than buying new: The pre-owned option is Carmelo Anthony, whose price would likely be low since destinations are sparse. As a go-to scorer in his own right and a 45.6 percent shooter off the catch, per Spor****, Melo would alleviate pressure on Thomas. Above all else, when paired with Thomas, Melo is a puzzle piece for one of the deadliest plays in basketball.
When LeBron sets a screen for Irving, it puts the defense in an impossible position. If the defense switches, LeBron will pummel the tiny defender or Irving will blow by the forward. Boston needs this nightmare matchup proposition. A Thomas-Anthony pick-and-roll could give the Celtics a devastating attack when the game slows down in the fourth quarter. Thomas might be the King in the Fourth, but not even King James can do it all himself."

https://theringer.com/pressing-eastern-conference-questions-36897397d17#.jdk1uc2u0

Did the Knicks win any of those 5 games??

What happened yesterday?

Melo knows how to pad stats... thats it

That's not exactly padding stats when he's very, very efficient.

I'll take melo, but not giving up much. I like the idea of Thomas/Smart/Crowder/Anthony/Horford late in games.

But I love Bradley, would hate to see him go or even lose a lot of playing time. People here underestimate his impact. 17ppg, 40+% 3PT, DPOY-candidate players don't grow on trees.

[Moranis]

Last 5 games for Melo:

54.1 FG% / 58.1 3P% / 28.4 PTS

And there's this yesterday from our friend Kevin O'Connor:

"The Celtics have a chest full of assets, but in-their-prime superstars like Butler and George likely won’t be available (and even if they were, it’d require probably both Nets picks and much more). Buying used can be better than buying new: The pre-owned option is Carmelo Anthony, whose price would likely be low since destinations are sparse. As a go-to scorer in his own right and a 45.6 percent shooter off the catch, per Spor****, Melo would alleviate pressure on Thomas. Above all else, when paired with Thomas, Melo is a puzzle piece for one of the deadliest plays in basketball.
When LeBron sets a screen for Irving, it puts the defense in an impossible position. If the defense switches, LeBron will pummel the tiny defender or Irving will blow by the forward. Boston needs this nightmare matchup proposition. A Thomas-Anthony pick-and-roll could give the Celtics a devastating attack when the game slows down in the fourth quarter. Thomas might be the King in the Fourth, but not even King James can do it all himself."

https://theringer.com/pressing-eastern-conference-questions-36897397d17#.jdk1uc2u0

Did the Knicks win any of those 5 games??

What happened yesterday?

Melo knows how to pad stats... thats it

Westbrook went for 38, 14, 12 and Oladipo added 21.  I'm sure that was Anthony's fault.  Just like I'm sure it is Anthony's fault Porzingis went 4 of 13

[Casperian]

I can`t believe people are still talking themselves into Melo...

...frikkin' hell

[Phantom255x]

I can`t believe people are still talking themselves into Melo...

...frikkin' hell

It's not as ridiculous as you think.

Butler and PG13 each require you to blow through almost half your assets.

FA Market will probably have Millsap and Ibaka (a lot of the others are likely staying put).

Then what?

You don't need the Brooklyn Picks or Smart+Brown in any Melo deal.

[Casperian]

I can`t believe people are still talking themselves into Melo...

...frikkin' hell

It's not as ridiculous as you think.

Butler and PG13 each require you to blow through almost half your assets.

FA Market will probably have Millsap and Ibaka (a lot of the others are likely staying put).

Then what?

You don't need the Brooklyn Picks or Smart+Brown in any Melo deal.

I`m sorry, I`m not in the net negative market.

[Tr1boy]

Last 5 games for Melo:

54.1 FG% / 58.1 3P% / 28.4 PTS

And there's this yesterday from our friend Kevin O'Connor:

"The Celtics have a chest full of assets, but in-their-prime superstars like Butler and George likely won’t be available (and even if they were, it’d require probably both Nets picks and much more). Buying used can be better than buying new: The pre-owned option is Carmelo Anthony, whose price would likely be low since destinations are sparse. As a go-to scorer in his own right and a 45.6 percent shooter off the catch, per Spor****, Melo would alleviate pressure on Thomas. Above all else, when paired with Thomas, Melo is a puzzle piece for one of the deadliest plays in basketball.
When LeBron sets a screen for Irving, it puts the defense in an impossible position. If the defense switches, LeBron will pummel the tiny defender or Irving will blow by the forward. Boston needs this nightmare matchup proposition. A Thomas-Anthony pick-and-roll could give the Celtics a devastating attack when the game slows down in the fourth quarter. Thomas might be the King in the Fourth, but not even King James can do it all himself."

https://theringer.com/pressing-eastern-conference-questions-36897397d17#.jdk1uc2u0

Did the Knicks win any of those 5 games??

What happened yesterday?

Melo knows how to pad stats... thats it

Westbrook went for 38, 14, 12 and Oladipo added 21.  I'm sure that was Anthony's fault.  Just like I'm sure it is Anthony's fault Porzingis went 4 of 13

Yes... And also Rose

Anthony gets paid big time money... To win games

Porzingis is still very young

How could you let the lead slip like that.... Anthony could play better defense, try harder, grab more rebounds, dive for loose balls... But he doesnt

[hpantazo]

I can`t believe people are still talking themselves into Melo...

...frikkin' hell

It's not as ridiculous as you think.

Butler and PG13 each require you to blow through almost half your assets.

FA Market will probably have Millsap and Ibaka (a lot of the others are likely staying put).

Then what?

You don't need the Brooklyn Picks or Smart+Brown in any Melo deal.

That's the key. Melo can give you rebounding and scoring , AND a legit star to put with Horford and IT all without giving up Nets picks or Brown or Smart. If that is the price, I would do it.

[Casperian]

I can`t believe people are still talking themselves into Melo...

...frikkin' hell

It's not as ridiculous as you think.

Butler and PG13 each require you to blow through almost half your assets.

FA Market will probably have Millsap and Ibaka (a lot of the others are likely staying put).

Then what?

You don't need the Brooklyn Picks or Smart+Brown in any Melo deal.

That's the key. Melo can give you rebounding and scoring , AND a legit star to put with Horford and IT all without giving up Nets picks or Brown or Smart. If that is the price, I would do it.

The only thing Melo will give you is a no-defense ballhog who whiffs on the big shots. Melo is not the final piece to any puzzle that`s supposed to look like a championship team.

[nickagneta]

I can`t believe people are still talking themselves into Melo...

...frikkin' hell

It's not as ridiculous as you think.

Butler and PG13 each require you to blow through almost half your assets.

FA Market will probably have Millsap and Ibaka (a lot of the others are likely staying put).

Then what?

You don't need the Brooklyn Picks or Smart+Brown in any Melo deal.

That's the key. Melo can give you rebounding and scoring , AND a legit star to put with Horford and IT all without giving up Nets picks or Brown or Smart. If that is the price, I would do it.

I think you guys are making a very bad assumption. If Ainge really wants Melo its probably going to take a Nets pick to get him. I think these assumptions that Jackson will only take crap draft picks and expirings for Melo are way off. I know if I was running the Knicks I wouldn't trade a player of Melo's talent level to Boston without getting at least the 2018 Nets pick.

[Vermont Green]

The biggest obstacle with a Carmelo trade is he makes $25.5M.  We have to send back at least $20.3M or so (if my math is right).  You almost can get there with Amir and Zeller (and some first round pick)  but then we are are really small.  I guess most people think that Melo would become of starting PF with Olynyk and Mickey as our depth?  Jerebko too I guess.  That just does not feel like enough size. I think we have to keep Amir for depth at PF/C.

So if Amir is out of the equation, you look at Zeller, Bradley, and Jerebko get to almost exactly $21.3M.  I like Avery but I think we would be better with Melo.  I am not opposed to taking a flyer on Melo but this looks like a tough trade to match up on.

[Vermont Green]

The biggest obstacle with a Carmelo trade is he makes $25.5M.  We have to send back at least $20.3M or so (if my math is right).  You almost can get there with Amir and Zeller (and some first round pick)  but then we are are really small.  I guess most people think that Melo would become of starting PF with Olynyk and Mickey as our depth?  Jerebko too I guess.  That just does not feel like enough size. I think we have to keep Amir for depth at PF/C.

So if Amir is out of the equation, you look at Zeller, Bradley, and Jerebko get to almost exactly $21.3M.  I like Avery but I think we would be better with Melo.  I am not opposed to taking a flyer on Melo but this looks like a tough trade to match up on.

And if NYK want the 2018 BKN pick, forgetaboudit.

[Phantom255x]

I can`t believe people are still talking themselves into Melo...

...frikkin' hell

It's not as ridiculous as you think.

Butler and PG13 each require you to blow through almost half your assets.

FA Market will probably have Millsap and Ibaka (a lot of the others are likely staying put).

Then what?

You don't need the Brooklyn Picks or Smart+Brown in any Melo deal.

That's the key. Melo can give you rebounding and scoring , AND a legit star to put with Horford and IT all without giving up Nets picks or Brown or Smart. If that is the price, I would do it.

I think you guys are making a very bad assumption. If Ainge really wants Melo its probably going to take a Nets pick to get him. I think these assumptions that Jackson will only take crap draft picks and expirings for Melo are way off. I know if I was running the Knicks I wouldn't trade a player of Melo's talent level to Boston without getting at least the 2018 Nets pick.

Then he's keeping Melo.

What are the Cavs giving up with Love injured now? A second round pick? Jr Smith and Shumpert?

Clippers? Aging Crawford and Rivers and a future second rounder?

It's either take back decent value for Melo, or keep him.

No one is out there giving up a ton for him, and he's only interested in 3-4 teams I believe (Melo that is).

[rondohondo]

I can`t believe people are still talking themselves into Melo...

...frikkin' hell

It's not as ridiculous as you think.

Butler and PG13 each require you to blow through almost half your assets.

FA Market will probably have Millsap and Ibaka (a lot of the others are likely staying put).

Then what?

You don't need the Brooklyn Picks or Smart+Brown in any Melo deal.

That's the key. Melo can give you rebounding and scoring , AND a legit star to put with Horford and IT all without giving up Nets picks or Brown or Smart. If that is the price, I would do it.

I think you guys are making a very bad assumption. If Ainge really wants Melo its probably going to take a Nets pick to get him. I think these assumptions that Jackson will only take crap draft picks and expirings for Melo are way off. I know if I was running the Knicks I wouldn't trade a player of Melo's talent level to Boston without getting at least the 2018 Nets pick.

Probably take AB or KO plus the nets 18

Let's say its AB and nets 18 , Amir and filler



Leaves us with

IT.             Rozier        Smart
Smart       Jaylen         Green
Jae            Jaylen
Melo                ko
Horford         buyout or trade(bogut)

Might have a shot at an upset over cle if love is still gimpy and we have home court as the #1 seed.

Plus still have nets top 4 pick next year to trade or keep. And some young chips (KO,Smart,Brown) , clips pick, bos 18, men picks to fill out roster.

Oh and Yabu and Zicic coming over.