Bucher: Bulls shopping Butler

[PhoSita]

Hey Chicago!

Pick one of each:

- Smart OR Rozier
- Bradley OR Crowder
- 2017 OR 2018 BRK pick
- Zeller OR Jerebko (as filler)

We'll throw in BOTH of the 2019 1st round picks owed to the Celtics from the Grizzlies and the Clippers!

Let's make a deal!



p.s. If you want to exchange Amir Johnson for Robin Lopez as part of this deal, we are agreeable!

Yep. Except the Lopez part.

I really like Robin Lopez, man.  Thomas - Bradley - Butler - Horford - Lopez could be a pretty great starting lineup if you ask me.

In this scenario, we hold onto Brown and one of the BRK picks to keep the youth pipeline in place, plus either Smart or Rozier.

[jpotter33]

Price is probably still the same - AB, Crowder, Brown, one BKN pick. A very steep price to pay indeed.

I suppose if a max-level player was 'guaranteed' to sign with us this summer (moving those players would leave enough money), then I could be convinced, but that is obviously too much to give up otherwise.

I don't think that was the "real" price, which is a ridiculous offer and never would be taken seriously by Ainge. Now maybe that was the initial trade demand in a bargaining tactic, but it certainly wasn't the "real" price that was reported.

The reported "real" price was Crowder, the 2016 Brooklyn pick (which turned into Brown), and the 2017 Brooklyn pick. Now that's still a steep price, but removing AB from that trade package makes it much more reasonable.

I still think we should probably do that deal, as long as we're also making a deal for a center like Noel, Bogut, etc. An IT, AB, Butler, Horford, Noel lineup would challenge the Cavs in the East and be a good match-up for the Warriors. I'd love this type of lineup:

Butler for Crowder, JJ, Brown, and the 2017 Brooklyn swap;

Noel and Covington for Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick;

PG: IT, Smart, Jackson
SG: AB, Green
SF: Butler, Covington
PF: Horford, KO, JJ
C: Noel, Amir, Zeller

That's a legit championships contender.

[Moranis]

Price is probably still the same - AB, Crowder, Brown, one BKN pick. A very steep price to pay indeed.

I suppose if a max-level player was 'guaranteed' to sign with us this summer (moving those players would leave enough money), then I could be convinced, but that is obviously too much to give up otherwise.

That trade never made sense from Boston's perspective.  You don't give up both Bradley and Crowder as you need one to play next to Butler.  Ideally you keep Bradley. 

I'd do something like this

Butler, Gibson, Canaan, Felicio

for

Crowder, Brown, Johnson, Rozier, BOS 17

Might even throw in Boston's 2018 1st if it was absolutely needed as I think this team would be a very tough out for Cleveland and Golden State

PG - Thomas, Canaan, Jackson
SG - Bradley, Smart
SF - Butler, Green, Jerekbo, Young
PF - Gibson, Olynyk, Mickey, Felicio
C - Horford, Zeller

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Hey Chicago!

Pick one of each:

- Smart OR Rozier
- Bradley OR Crowder
- 2017 OR 2018 BRK pick
- Zeller OR Jerebko (as filler)

We'll throw in BOTH of the 2019 1st round picks owed to the Celtics from the Grizzlies and the Clippers!

Let's make a deal!

Too much.

Is it?

Smart / Rozier ... that's a young role player.

Bradley / Crowder ... one of these would be supplanted in the starting lineup by Butler anyway.

2017 / 2018 BRK pick ... you've got to give up one of these to get a talent like Butler.

2019 MEM / LAC picks .... these might end up as lottery picks down the line, but it seems more likely they'll be in the middle of the 1st round.


Basically, you're giving up a young role player, a starting caliber wing on a bargain deal, a likely top 5 pick, and two future mid-1sts to get a superstar wing player in his prime with 3 years left on his deal after this one at a below-market price.

What's not to love?

That value is good. It's when we have to include Brown and the 2017 pick, or Crowder and Bradley, or Rozier and Smart, that I start to think it is too much.

[kozlodoev]

Lopez is a pretty substantial upgrade over Amir. I'd like to get Lopez as a part of a deal, and if Butler is going to play SF (as he does in Chicago), then I'm prepared to cough up Crowder, Brown/Smart, Amir, and some sort of pick. And Young if needed to make salaries match.

[max215]

Butler and Lopez for Bradley, Crowder, Amir, and some sort of picks?

I mean, I'd love to swap Crowder for Zeller in this package, but I'm doubtful it's going to work.

Keeping one of Bradley/Crowder would be ideal, but I'd be fine with this. I was off Butler this offseason, but he's truly elevated his game to a new level. He's clearly better than Paul George at this point, and I think most people would give up a godfather package for George.

[wdleehi]

Hey Chicago!

Pick one of each:

- Smart OR Rozier
- Bradley OR Crowder
- 2017 OR 2018 BRK pick
- Zeller OR Jerebko (as filler)

We'll throw in BOTH of the 2019 1st round picks owed to the Celtics from the Grizzlies and the Clippers!

Let's make a deal!

Too much.

Is it?

Smart / Rozier ... that's a young role player.

Bradley / Crowder ... one of these would be supplanted in the starting lineup by Butler anyway.

2017 / 2018 BRK pick ... you've got to give up one of these to get a talent like Butler.

2019 MEM / LAC picks .... these might end up as lottery picks down the line, but it seems more likely they'll be in the middle of the 1st round.


Basically, you're giving up a young role player, a starting caliber wing on a bargain deal, a likely top 5 pick, and two future mid-1sts to get a superstar wing player in his prime with 3 years left on his deal after this one at a below-market price.

What's not to love?

3 first round picks, two possible starters (one of which is could be trending towards being a future all star)


And considering where that 1st rounder is going to be, too much.

[kozlodoev]

Butler and Lopez for Bradley, Crowder, Amir, and some sort of picks?

I mean, I'd love to swap Crowder for Zeller in this package, but I'm doubtful it's going to work.

Keeping one of Bradley/Crowder would be ideal, but I'd be fine with this. I was off Butler this offseason, but he's truly elevated his game to a new level. He's clearly better than Paul George at this point, and I think most people would give up a godfather package for George.

Amir, Bradley/Crowder, Smart/Brown, (Young), picks

for

Butler, Lopez

Lots of ways to get it done. I wonder what response we'll get if we float it on a Bulls board.

[fantankerous]

Yes please.

[PhoSita]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jc7vvzh

[CFAN38]

I am truly torn on the idea of a Jimmy Butler trade and what it will mean to this franchise.

The first idea that came to my mind

Crowder + 17 Nets Pick +Clippers pick + Zeller and Amir

For

Butler and R Lopez

This trade kills me for the simple fact that losing the Nets pick COULD be dangerously short sited. I am also not convinced the Bulls take this deal. They would likely want Smart or Brown also thrown in and I feel that is asking to much. This deal would leave the Cs with a top 8 rotation that may have the talent to compete with and beat the Cavs in a 7 game series. The inclusion of Lopez would fix the Cs glaring interior D and rebounding problems and Butlers scoring prowess really makes the Cs a tough team to defend.

My fear with such a trade is that we watch the Cs lose the Cavs in the EFC for the next two seasons and are then forced into huge contracts with IT and AB. Horfords age and IT likely quick decline will only allow a few years of a window to compete and with the Cavs and the Warriors the Cs may never really have a shot at a ring. 

The alternative is waiting out the deadline making a minor move (maybe for Bogut), drafting Fultz or Ball, Signing Hayward, and then trading Crowder plus picks for a big man. This alternative option is less of a splash better has better longevity.

Time will tell

[tankcity!]

I wouldn't include Brown in the trade. We need someone with upside. Think about it, each year Brown will get better along with our contending roster which will only improve us year over year without offseason acquisitions. It really benefited us when Rondo was improving. He made up for the veterans natural aging.

[kozlodoev]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jc7vvzh

This works without Jerebko and Zipster and I'd rather have it done that way. Throw in James Young for filler if necessary.

[tankcity!]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jc7vvzh

I would do this trade without blinking.

[PhoSita]

And considering where that 1st rounder is going to be, too much.

It's a lot, to be sure, but not a single one of those pieces is guaranteed to be anywhere near as valuable as Butler.


Butler is:

- A borderline top 10 player
- 27 years old
- Making a little more than half what his market value would be if he were a FA this summer
- Under contract for 3 more seasons after this one

If the Bulls trade him, they will expect to get a ton.  You're getting a superstar two-way wing for 3.5 years of his prime.