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Offline 2short

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Give me crowder every day of the year.  His intensity maybe caused the comments but i'm fine with it.  Hayward is a better ball handler and creator of his own shot.  Otherwise jae is better in every aspect of the game.  I feel he is the team leader/captain of the c's.

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1. That doesn't seem particularly "irate" to me.
2. Why the heck would anyone cheer for Hayward?! Miss Jeff Green much?
Why do you compare him to Jeff Green? Hayward consistently is the offensive creator for the Jazz, Green wasn't consistent doing anything his whole career. Hayward is the type of guy who can get you a bucket in the playoffs when the other team double Isaiah.
Not sold on who he is as a basketball player. Three years ago he couldn't score more than 16 ppg on a team where the other scoring threats were Derrick Favors and Trey Burke. I am also unsure about his defense and about the fact that he has played in more than 78 games once in his career so far.

Right, but unlike Jeff Green he a) makes plays for others, and b) got better after the age of 23.  The problem with Jeff Green is that he was essentially the same player at 29 as he was at 23.  At 23 he looked like someone with promise.  At 29, he's just a guy with a great basketball body that has a good game once every two weeks.  Hayward improved his efficiency while taking more shots, and has turned from a 16 point scorer at 23 to a 22 point scorer at 26.

I also think four years ago was a slight aberration due to a new coach.  Hayward had his worst shooting percentages and highest assist numbers that year.  Hayward led the team at 16 ppg, but they had six players average at least 10 ppg.  My guess is distribution came in part due to a first-year coach's strategy. 

But even if it was all on Hayward, that's not who he is any more, or has been for multiple seasons, and comparing him to Jeff Green is much lazier than your normal commentary.  He got better.  Jeff Green did not.  There are many other reasons they are different players, but that is the biggest.
The case in point is that improvement notwithstanding, Hayward has mostly been a high-teens scorer on teams where he was pretty much the singular scoring weapon. So if you're happy with throwing a second max contract to what may amount to another "just decent" player, more power to you -- I am not convinced, and I'd like to spend that salary slot on someone who (better) addresses a need.
Yeah, if you don't believe Hayward is going to continue to improve then he's not a good fit at the max.

I probably reacted too strongly to the Green comparison before understanding the way in which you were comparing them. Jeff Green is a trigger phrase for me, because ever since he was on the C's a lot of people on the blog used him to compare to any player that doesn't live up to expectations.

One thing to watch will be the effect of the new CBA on free agency. The CBA made it easier for teams to hang onto their own free agents, so the quality of player you could get in the open market might be diminished. Hayward isn't going to be in the top 10 player in the league class, but I think he's going to be one of the better players to change teams in the next few years (if he leaves).
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Give me crowder every day of the year.  His intensity maybe caused the comments but i'm fine with it.  Hayward is a better ball handler and creator of his own shot.  Otherwise jae is better in every aspect of the game.  I feel he is the team leader/captain of the c's.

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I feel Crowder has a lot of intangibles with this group. It showed when he was out with the injury, Can't imagine if he wasn't even on the bench.
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Jae's finally realizing that the typical Celtics' fan is among the worst human being on earth.  The worst part of being a Celtics fan is other Celtics fans.

sooo on point.

one thing crowder should know is Celtics fans(esp. the ones that go to the games) suck.

also if that lit a fire under him and he played like that i'm not sure I want him now either. so we have to disrespect him to get him to play better now?


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And the racism thing is ****ing stupid too. If Paul George had played for CBS and was rumored to us for years he would have been cheered too.

That would have actually made sense though... Paul George is a top 20 player in the NBA.

Gordon Hayward is a little bit better than Jae Crowder but it's MUCH closer than most people on this board are willing to admit.

Replacing Jae on his current contract for Hayward at the Max would be a MASSIVE misstep for the team in terms of allocating cap space.


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Jae's finally realizing that the typical Celtics' fan is among the worst human being on earth.  The worst part of being a Celtics fan is other Celtics fans.

sooo on point.

one thing crowder should know is Celtics fans(esp. the ones that go to the games) suck.

also if that lit a fire under him and he played like that i'm not sure I want him now either. so we have to disrespect him to get him to play better now?
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/isaiah-thomas-celtics-boston-letter/
https://www.seccountry.com/florida/report-al-horfords-dad-says-celtics-fans-a-draw-for-his-son-to-sign-with-boston
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GRFYDWsI9U

Im gonna go ahead and disagree with both of your conclusions.

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And the racism thing is ****ing stupid too. If Paul George had played for CBS and was rumored to us for years he would have been cheered too.

That would have actually made sense though... Paul George is a top 20 player in the NBA.

Gordon Hayward is a little bit better than Jae Crowder but it's MUCH closer than most people on this board are willing to admit.

Replacing Jae on his current contract for Hayward at the Max would be a MASSIVE misstep for the team in terms of allocating cap space.
. I don't even want Gordon Hayward my point is Celtics fans were cheering because they thought he was obtainable not because he was white.

Offline Banner18now!

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Crowder needs to calm down and stop being so thin skinned. Was he p---ed last year when the crowd was chanting to KD to come to Boston? They cheered because of the thought of adding Hayward, who will be available, with Crowder not replacing Crowder with him.

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Paul George for Crowder and other players picks would make sense .  Hayward doesn't move the needle .

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If I was playing my button off for peanuts and the fans I play for openly clamor for a player I know is not better than me, and makes almost triple what I make....I would give those fans the finger too.#let's get real.

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If I was playing my button off for peanuts and the fans I play for openly clamor for a player I know is not better than me, and makes almost triple what I make....I would give those fans the finger too.#let's get real.

No one forced him to sign a 35 mil dollar contract and set up his family for generations....

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No one can make him break his bones for unappreciative fans either.
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Celtic fans should give Crowder a standing ovation on Friday night.
He deserves it.

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Yep....they need to