Crowder irate with Celtics fans for cheering Hayward (Going off on Twitter).

[Evantime34]

1. That doesn't seem particularly "irate" to me.
2. Why the heck would anyone cheer for Hayward?! Miss Jeff Green much?

Why do you compare him to Jeff Green? Hayward consistently is the offensive creator for the Jazz, Green wasn't consistent doing anything his whole career. Hayward is the type of guy who can get you a bucket in the playoffs when the other team double Isaiah.

Not sold on who he is as a basketball player. Three years ago he couldn't score more than 16 ppg on a team where the other scoring threats were Derrick Favors and Trey Burke. I am also unsure about his defense and about the fact that he has played in more than 78 games once in his career so far.

Jeff Green never averaged 20 points a game, so it's pretty fair to say that is a really bad comp. Facts just don't back your claim.

Sure. Mike James, on the other hand, once averaged 20.3 ppg. But that's not exactly the point here.

I see Jeff Green as a poster child for players that 1. can't provide consistency 2. Dazzles you with talent one day and gives you nothing the next.

I don't see Hayward having any of those issues.

That he could only score 16 a game on a team with few offensive options isn't great. However, him being able to improve his average every year since then is a positive.

Not sure where your defensive claims come from, hasn't he been known as plus defender for a while?

I am fine if he misses like 5-10 games a year, I think that has become commonplace in todays NBA.

[kozlodoev]

1. That doesn't seem particularly "irate" to me.
2. Why the heck would anyone cheer for Hayward?! Miss Jeff Green much?

Why do you compare him to Jeff Green? Hayward consistently is the offensive creator for the Jazz, Green wasn't consistent doing anything his whole career. Hayward is the type of guy who can get you a bucket in the playoffs when the other team double Isaiah.

Not sold on who he is as a basketball player. Three years ago he couldn't score more than 16 ppg on a team where the other scoring threats were Derrick Favors and Trey Burke. I am also unsure about his defense and about the fact that he has played in more than 78 games once in his career so far.

Right, but unlike Jeff Green he a) makes plays for others, and b) got better after the age of 23.  The problem with Jeff Green is that he was essentially the same player at 29 as he was at 23.  At 23 he looked like someone with promise.  At 29, he's just a guy with a great basketball body that has a good game once every two weeks.  Hayward improved his efficiency while taking more shots, and has turned from a 16 point scorer at 23 to a 22 point scorer at 26.

I also think four years ago was a slight aberration due to a new coach.  Hayward had his worst shooting percentages and highest assist numbers that year.  Hayward led the team at 16 ppg, but they had six players average at least 10 ppg.  My guess is distribution came in part due to a first-year coach's strategy. 

But even if it was all on Hayward, that's not who he is any more, or has been for multiple seasons, and comparing him to Jeff Green is much lazier than your normal commentary.  He got better.  Jeff Green did not.  There are many other reasons they are different players, but that is the biggest.

The case in point is that improvement notwithstanding, Hayward has mostly been a high-teens scorer on teams where he was pretty much the singular scoring weapon. So if you're happy with throwing a second max contract to what may amount to another "just decent" player, more power to you -- I am not convinced, and I'd like to spend that salary slot on someone who (better) addresses a need.

[tankcity!]

1. That doesn't seem particularly "irate" to me.
2. Why the heck would anyone cheer for Hayward?! Miss Jeff Green much?

Why do you compare him to Jeff Green? Hayward consistently is the offensive creator for the Jazz, Green wasn't consistent doing anything his whole career. Hayward is the type of guy who can get you a bucket in the playoffs when the other team double Isaiah.

Not sold on who he is as a basketball player. Three years ago he couldn't score more than 16 ppg on a team where the other scoring threats were Derrick Favors and Trey Burke. I am also unsure about his defense and about the fact that he has played in more than 78 games once in his career so far.

Jeff Green never averaged 20 points a game, so it's pretty fair to say that is a really bad comp. Facts just don't back your claim.

Sure. Mike James, on the other hand, once averaged 20.3 ppg. But that's not exactly the point here.

Okay....thank you for ignoring my point. Hayward is going to perennially give you 20 a game. Jeff Green can't do that...What I said was pretty simple. No point in putting Mike Jame's outlier season out there. You're avoiding the main discussion. 

[tankcity!]

1. That doesn't seem particularly "irate" to me.
2. Why the heck would anyone cheer for Hayward?! Miss Jeff Green much?

Why do you compare him to Jeff Green? Hayward consistently is the offensive creator for the Jazz, Green wasn't consistent doing anything his whole career. Hayward is the type of guy who can get you a bucket in the playoffs when the other team double Isaiah.

Not sold on who he is as a basketball player. Three years ago he couldn't score more than 16 ppg on a team where the other scoring threats were Derrick Favors and Trey Burke. I am also unsure about his defense and about the fact that he has played in more than 78 games once in his career so far.

Right, but unlike Jeff Green he a) makes plays for others, and b) got better after the age of 23.  The problem with Jeff Green is that he was essentially the same player at 29 as he was at 23.  At 23 he looked like someone with promise.  At 29, he's just a guy with a great basketball body that has a good game once every two weeks.  Hayward improved his efficiency while taking more shots, and has turned from a 16 point scorer at 23 to a 22 point scorer at 26.

I also think four years ago was a slight aberration due to a new coach.  Hayward had his worst shooting percentages and highest assist numbers that year.  Hayward led the team at 16 ppg, but they had six players average at least 10 ppg.  My guess is distribution came in part due to a first-year coach's strategy. 

But even if it was all on Hayward, that's not who he is any more, or has been for multiple seasons, and comparing him to Jeff Green is much lazier than your normal commentary.  He got better.  Jeff Green did not.  There are many other reasons they are different players, but that is the biggest.

The case in point is that improvement notwithstanding, Hayward has mostly been a high-teens scorer on teams where he was pretty much the singular scoring weapon. So if you're happy with throwing a second max contract to what may amount to another "just decent" player, more power to you -- I am not convinced, and I'd like to spend that salary slot on someone who (better) addresses a need.

Dude we're just comparing him to Jeff Green. Has nothing to do with your dislike for the player. He is clearly a better player then Green. Stats back it up. Facts back it up.

[rondohondo]

1. That doesn't seem particularly "irate" to me.
2. Why the heck would anyone cheer for Hayward?! Miss Jeff Green much?

Why do you compare him to Jeff Green? Hayward consistently is the offensive creator for the Jazz, Green wasn't consistent doing anything his whole career. Hayward is the type of guy who can get you a bucket in the playoffs when the other team double Isaiah.

Not sold on who he is as a basketball player. Three years ago he couldn't score more than 16 ppg on a team where the other scoring threats were Derrick Favors and Trey Burke. I am also unsure about his defense and about the fact that he has played in more than 78 games once in his career so far.

Right, but unlike Jeff Green he a) makes plays for others, and b) got better after the age of 23.  The problem with Jeff Green is that he was essentially the same player at 29 as he was at 23.  At 23 he looked like someone with promise.  At 29, he's just a guy with a great basketball body that has a good game once every two weeks.  Hayward improved his efficiency while taking more shots, and has turned from a 16 point scorer at 23 to a 22 point scorer at 26.

I also think four years ago was a slight aberration due to a new coach.  Hayward had his worst shooting percentages and highest assist numbers that year.  Hayward led the team at 16 ppg, but they had six players average at least 10 ppg.  My guess is distribution came in part due to a first-year coach's strategy. 

But even if it was all on Hayward, that's not who he is any more, or has been for multiple seasons, and comparing him to Jeff Green is much lazier than your normal commentary.  He got better.  Jeff Green did not.  There are many other reasons they are different players, but that is the biggest.

The case in point is that improvement notwithstanding, Hayward has mostly been a high-teens scorer on teams where he was pretty much the singular scoring weapon. So if you're happy with throwing a second max contract to what may amount to another "just decent" player, more power to you -- I am not convinced, and I'd like to spend that salary slot on someone who (better) addresses a need.

You would still have smart, Rosie , one of Jae or AB plus brk picks to make a trade for a stud big man...

[D Dub]

Do we really need 12 pages of urinal dispute for this?

I, for one, am glad he called the fans out. 

That's what leaders do.  They step up and say what needs to be said. 

At a C's home game -- no Celtic fan should cheer for the opponent. 

PERIOD.
 
(all caps h/t to Jae)

Really??  And how can he call out all fans when it was only a few that shook him

Yeah, really.

We are the Celtics.  Greatest franchise in sports.  We are SUPPOSE TO stand united and have our players back.   

And where were the "real fans" when this minority group of the faithful were raining down sweet nothings to the opposition??  Standing idle in the next row and doing nothing about it.   

Listen, you got a Jazz jersey on -- cheer your guy on and we're all good.  But if you claim to be a C's fan, and you go to a home game -- under NO circumstance do you cheer for the opposition. 

[mahcus smaht]

1. That doesn't seem particularly "irate" to me.
2. Why the heck would anyone cheer for Hayward?! Miss Jeff Green much?

Why do you compare him to Jeff Green? Hayward consistently is the offensive creator for the Jazz, Green wasn't consistent doing anything his whole career. Hayward is the type of guy who can get you a bucket in the playoffs when the other team double Isaiah.

Not sold on who he is as a basketball player. Three years ago he couldn't score more than 16 ppg on a team where the other scoring threats were Derrick Favors and Trey Burke. I am also unsure about his defense and about the fact that he has played in more than 78 games once in his career so far.

Right, but unlike Jeff Green he a) makes plays for others, and b) got better after the age of 23.  The problem with Jeff Green is that he was essentially the same player at 29 as he was at 23.  At 23 he looked like someone with promise.  At 29, he's just a guy with a great basketball body that has a good game once every two weeks.  Hayward improved his efficiency while taking more shots, and has turned from a 16 point scorer at 23 to a 22 point scorer at 26.

I also think four years ago was a slight aberration due to a new coach.  Hayward had his worst shooting percentages and highest assist numbers that year.  Hayward led the team at 16 ppg, but they had six players average at least 10 ppg.  My guess is distribution came in part due to a first-year coach's strategy. 

But even if it was all on Hayward, that's not who he is any more, or has been for multiple seasons, and comparing him to Jeff Green is much lazier than your normal commentary.  He got better.  Jeff Green did not.  There are many other reasons they are different players, but that is the biggest.

The case in point is that improvement notwithstanding, Hayward has mostly been a high-teens scorer on teams where he was pretty much the singular scoring weapon. So if you're happy with throwing a second max contract to what may amount to another "just decent" player, more power to you -- I am not convinced, and I'd like to spend that salary slot on someone who (better) addresses a need.

[Tr1boy]

Do we really need 12 pages of urinal dispute for this?

I, for one, am glad he called the fans out. 

That's what leaders do.  They step up and say what needs to be said. 

At a C's home game -- no Celtic fan should cheer for the opponent. 

PERIOD.
 
(all caps h/t to Jae)

Really??  And how can he call out all fans when it was only a few that shook him

Yeah, really.

We are the Celtics.  Greatest franchise in sports.  We are SUPPOSE TO stand united and have our players back.   

And where were the "real fans" when this minority group of the faithful were raining down sweet nothings to the opposition??  Standing idle in the next row and doing nothing about it.   

Listen, you got a Jazz jersey on -- cheer your guy on and we're all good.  But if you claim to be a C's fan, and you go to a home game -- under NO circumstance do you cheer for the opposition.

Well this is not true.. kg, pierce, david ortiz all got ovations when visiting

I get the core part of your point... But hey durant got an applause... Heck if lebron was about to become a FA and rumors started to fly he wouldnt mind coming here, he would get a cheer too... Celtic fans want another ring.. unfortunately some feel Crowder is not the sf to help the team reach the next level... Its just like when Brown was booed on draft night

You just have to make these fans regret what they did

[kozlodoev]

1. That doesn't seem particularly "irate" to me.
2. Why the heck would anyone cheer for Hayward?! Miss Jeff Green much?

Why do you compare him to Jeff Green? Hayward consistently is the offensive creator for the Jazz, Green wasn't consistent doing anything his whole career. Hayward is the type of guy who can get you a bucket in the playoffs when the other team double Isaiah.

Not sold on who he is as a basketball player. Three years ago he couldn't score more than 16 ppg on a team where the other scoring threats were Derrick Favors and Trey Burke. I am also unsure about his defense and about the fact that he has played in more than 78 games once in his career so far.

Right, but unlike Jeff Green he a) makes plays for others, and b) got better after the age of 23.  The problem with Jeff Green is that he was essentially the same player at 29 as he was at 23.  At 23 he looked like someone with promise.  At 29, he's just a guy with a great basketball body that has a good game once every two weeks.  Hayward improved his efficiency while taking more shots, and has turned from a 16 point scorer at 23 to a 22 point scorer at 26.

I also think four years ago was a slight aberration due to a new coach.  Hayward had his worst shooting percentages and highest assist numbers that year.  Hayward led the team at 16 ppg, but they had six players average at least 10 ppg.  My guess is distribution came in part due to a first-year coach's strategy. 

But even if it was all on Hayward, that's not who he is any more, or has been for multiple seasons, and comparing him to Jeff Green is much lazier than your normal commentary.  He got better.  Jeff Green did not.  There are many other reasons they are different players, but that is the biggest.

The case in point is that improvement notwithstanding, Hayward has mostly been a high-teens scorer on teams where he was pretty much the singular scoring weapon. So if you're happy with throwing a second max contract to what may amount to another "just decent" player, more power to you -- I am not convinced, and I'd like to spend that salary slot on someone who (better) addresses a need.

The fact that some people made an imaginary case of how Hayward compares to Jeff Green is not my problem. This comparison was made to indicate another case in which folks got overly invested in a player that wasn't as good as they thought.

[tankcity!]

1. That doesn't seem particularly "irate" to me.
2. Why the heck would anyone cheer for Hayward?! Miss Jeff Green much?

Why do you compare him to Jeff Green? Hayward consistently is the offensive creator for the Jazz, Green wasn't consistent doing anything his whole career. Hayward is the type of guy who can get you a bucket in the playoffs when the other team double Isaiah.

Not sold on who he is as a basketball player. Three years ago he couldn't score more than 16 ppg on a team where the other scoring threats were Derrick Favors and Trey Burke. I am also unsure about his defense and about the fact that he has played in more than 78 games once in his career so far.

Right, but unlike Jeff Green he a) makes plays for others, and b) got better after the age of 23.  The problem with Jeff Green is that he was essentially the same player at 29 as he was at 23.  At 23 he looked like someone with promise.  At 29, he's just a guy with a great basketball body that has a good game once every two weeks.  Hayward improved his efficiency while taking more shots, and has turned from a 16 point scorer at 23 to a 22 point scorer at 26.

I also think four years ago was a slight aberration due to a new coach.  Hayward had his worst shooting percentages and highest assist numbers that year.  Hayward led the team at 16 ppg, but they had six players average at least 10 ppg.  My guess is distribution came in part due to a first-year coach's strategy. 

But even if it was all on Hayward, that's not who he is any more, or has been for multiple seasons, and comparing him to Jeff Green is much lazier than your normal commentary.  He got better.  Jeff Green did not.  There are many other reasons they are different players, but that is the biggest.

The case in point is that improvement notwithstanding, Hayward has mostly been a high-teens scorer on teams where he was pretty much the singular scoring weapon. So if you're happy with throwing a second max contract to what may amount to another "just decent" player, more power to you -- I am not convinced, and I'd like to spend that salary slot on someone who (better) addresses a need.

The fact that some people made an imaginary case of how Hayward compares to Jeff Green is not my problem. This comparison was made to indicate another case in which folks got overly invested in a player that wasn't as good as they thought.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. If that is what you were attempting to say, then it makes sense to me. I'm not huge on Hayward either.

[clintonwalker]

I love Jae Crowder and I wouldnt have been cheering Hayward on but jaes reaction is unjustified. The Celtics don't owe JAE Crowder anything we took him from a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ty team and revived his career with a starting roll. Sometimes you do things that seem wrong (cheering an opponent who's a potential FA) for the greater good of the team. Kinda like when we traded 2 Celtics legends to Brooklyn it might feel wrong but if it's best for the team then so be it.

[clintonwalker]

And the racism thing is Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing stupid too. If Paul George had played for CBS and was rumored to us for years he would have been cheered too.

[kozlodoev]

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. If that is what you were attempting to say, then it makes sense to me. I'm not huge on Hayward either.

I guess what I'm trying to says is that I'm not yet convinced that Hayward wouldn't just turn into a "super premium glue guy" like Horford when put on a team with multiple weapons (sometimes ppg is an iffy indicator when noone else on your team can score). Someone who gives you 18-5-5 with average defense, for example. This has value, of course, but surely we can do better for our max dollars.

[Big333223]

This is a non story to me. I don't mind Crowder's reaction. Probably don't tweet this kind of stuff and there's no winning when you get into it over twitter, but otherwise, I'm fine with his reaction.

As for the Celtic fans cheering Hayward: Al Horford didn't sign with us because Celtic fans cheered him last year. He came to Boston because Celtic fans cheered for their own players as hard as possible. If you really want Hayward here (I'm not totally sold) don't cheer for him, cheer for the Celtics to beat his ass.

[GreenFaith1819]

Love BOTH of these players BUT Jae Crowder is a CELTIC.

Love his game, his fire, and his leadership....reminds me of KG a bit.

Looking forward to more years in Green with him and this team's continued development.