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Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #435 on: November 22, 2016, 01:00:31 AM »

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Marcus is going to break out eventually.  He's playiing a jack of all trades role for us. His offense is still coming.  If he were purely a pg and inserted into games like some teams do he would put up better numbers.   The celtics are developing him differently.

The issue with Marcus isn't mindset or talent level.  He is still adjusting to what his role is.  As he is more the aggressor in that role the better he is.

Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #436 on: November 22, 2016, 01:20:35 AM »

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No offense but this board loses a lot of credibility when they criticize people who say these same things. Speaking of which i've had marcus on my fantasy squad since he was a rookie. Never thought he sucked.Never thought brad sucked either.  Even he  questioned the toughness of this team. People do that here people whine about it.

Big difference being correct in your criticisms too.  Most people can't back that up.

I don't really follow fantasy sports that much, but has his fantasy real value gone up or down since his rookie year?

I see that he is currently ranked 67th among guards on CBS website. Below Lin, Dunn, Will Barton..

It seems to me that Fantasy is where he kinda sucks. He is the original intangibles guy who can literally win you a heapa games with a 5/4/4 night.

his fantasy rating isn't very good.  He puts up numbers though.  I just draft around him in ways and get him late because no one takes him and I target him for the stuff he does well.   His bad percentages dont really hurt because he doesnt shoot that much.

He's one of the few guards that will get you plus assists, steals, 3's etc and his numbers improve each year. he's also a pretty good rebounder for a guard. fantasy has to be taken for what it is though.   I dont draft my team solely on numbers though.  i win a lot too because i know who's good and going to improve and who isn't.  I am not a stat stuffer sort of person.  i just like good players.

I thought that "stat stuffing" is precisely what fantasy is about! High usage guys get you points no?

Smart is definitely still improving though, you got that right no doubt. Some people were saying last year that he has hit his ceiling. I think we can safely say that is incorrect.
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Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #437 on: November 22, 2016, 01:29:51 AM »

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No offense but this board loses a lot of credibility when they criticize people who say these same things. Speaking of which i've had marcus on my fantasy squad since he was a rookie. Never thought he sucked.Never thought brad sucked either.  Even he  questioned the toughness of this team. People do that here people whine about it.

Big difference being correct in your criticisms too.  Most people can't back that up.

I don't really follow fantasy sports that much, but has his fantasy real value gone up or down since his rookie year?

I see that he is currently ranked 67th among guards on CBS website. Below Lin, Dunn, Will Barton..

It seems to me that Fantasy is where he kinda sucks. He is the original intangibles guy who can literally win you a heapa games with a 5/4/4 night.

his fantasy rating isn't very good.  He puts up numbers though.  I just draft around him in ways and get him late because no one takes him and I target him for the stuff he does well.   His bad percentages dont really hurt because he doesnt shoot that much.

He's one of the few guards that will get you plus assists, steals, 3's etc and his numbers improve each year. he's also a pretty good rebounder for a guard. fantasy has to be taken for what it is though.   I dont draft my team solely on numbers though.  i win a lot too because i know who's good and going to improve and who isn't.  I am not a stat stuffer sort of person.  i just like good players.

I thought that "stat stuffing" is precisely what fantasy is about! High usage guys get you points no?

Smart is definitely still improving though, you got that right no doubt. Some people were saying last year that he has hit his ceiling. I think we can safely say that is incorrect.

Still though if you are smart and look at stats later in drafts marcus is a better guard then players who put up points maybe.  He is plus rebounds, assists, steals, 3's over anyone being drafted late in fantasy if anyone really looked at it.

He's a  young player who is improving and you are going to get those numbers and he could break out.  His scoring is just one stat. It's the same for real basketball really.  Scorers are overrated and take away from other players on the floor sometimes too.

His percentages kill his rating. If he ever shoots good though he's a top 50 player. He's close to top 120 or so in fantasy this year even with his percentages.  He's still worth owning.  10 teams 15  players each.  He still makes the cut.

He's somewhat underrated because it's really just points and percentages that kill his value.  That's 3 categories that he doesnt really shoot that much to make a huge difference anyways. He's a good defensive role guy in fantasy just like real life.

If you have other guys that can score and shoot good percentages he is helpful.

He doesn't shoot good percentages but he does make 3's as well.   There are few guards with his kind of defensive stats that make 3's and most of them are stars.
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Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #438 on: November 22, 2016, 01:38:24 AM »

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Smart isn't even a huge steal guy in fantasy which is weird. You'd think he'd get more steals the amount he causes.  Fantasy doesnt count all the other turnovers he causes either. 

Still he is helpful though just because of all he does outside of scoring.  If you really look at guards in the nba very few put up his kind of numbers and most of them are stars who score too.

He just doesn't do that and is solid everywhere else.

Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #439 on: November 22, 2016, 01:40:56 AM »

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Should we start calling Smart a glue guy? I mean he isn't a normal role player but he isn't a star either.

Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #440 on: November 22, 2016, 01:47:44 AM »

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If Marcus ever starts scoring he is a star. We have other guys who can score on this team right now.  I think Smart can score. 

Star is relative that way.  Some players score at the detriment of the team.  If Marcus can score and not do that he's even better.

It's not just scoring that way.  Some scorers aren't really stars imo.

Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #441 on: November 22, 2016, 01:51:52 AM »

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In my best Gene Hackman Marcus is a star to me as long as the team is going out there being the best they can be and players are doing what is best for each other that way.

Some scorers really could be doing better things making their teams better but they don't.

At the nba level there are lots of guys who can score.  Some of these guys there are better scorers than them.

Just look at Carmelo. Top Scorer.  There are still probably 10 or more scorers better than him on any given night. How good are the knicks? 
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Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #442 on: November 22, 2016, 02:11:52 AM »

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In my best Gene Hackman Marcus is a star to me as long as the team is going out there being the best they can be and players are doing what is best for each other that way.

Some scorers really could be doing better things making their teams better but they don't.

At the nba level there are lots of guys who can score.  Some of these guys there are better scorers than them.

Just look at Carmelo. Top Scorer.  There are still probably 10 or more scorers better than him on any given night. How good are the knicks?
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« Reply #443 on: November 22, 2016, 02:51:39 AM »

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Career high for Rozier.  He's looking like a player more and more.

Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #444 on: November 22, 2016, 02:53:17 AM »

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Marcus is going to break out eventually.  He's playiing a jack of all trades role for us. His offense is still coming.  If he were purely a pg and inserted into games like some teams do he would put up better numbers.   The celtics are developing him differently.

The issue with Marcus isn't mindset or talent level.  He is still adjusting to what his role is.  As he is more the aggressor in that role the better he is.
I think with this draft being PG heavy at top and rozier showing progress, Marcus is a trade candidate this season.

Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #445 on: November 22, 2016, 03:00:26 AM »

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I think he more needs to concentrate on being a better playmaker where he is playing. He's been doing that a bit more this year.

I don't think the Celtics have any plans to trade anyone in particular.

I don't think Amir will be here simply because of his contract and we need the roster space but even that something may happen.

Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #446 on: November 22, 2016, 03:06:21 AM »

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I don't think DA goes out there with the intent to trade any of these guys.  He looks for areas of improvement but there has to be a deal and he drafted most of these guys and is trying to maximize them as a team and their abilities within it.  I think most of the other stuff is the media.

He'll make moves but I don't think there is a plan either way.

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« Reply #447 on: November 22, 2016, 08:43:41 AM »

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Marcus is going to break out eventually.  He's playiing a jack of all trades role for us. His offense is still coming.  If he were purely a pg and inserted into games like some teams do he would put up better numbers.   The celtics are developing him differently.

The issue with Marcus isn't mindset or talent level.  He is still adjusting to what his role is.  As he is more the aggressor in that role the better he is.
I think with this draft being PG heavy at top and rozier showing progress, Marcus is a trade candidate this season.
lol

5 straight pages of CB'ers talking about how invaluable Smart is and LarBrd just drops in at the end and says maybe the team will trade him. I love it.
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Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #448 on: November 22, 2016, 10:36:38 AM »

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Marcus is going to break out eventually.  He's playiing a jack of all trades role for us. His offense is still coming.  If he were purely a pg and inserted into games like some teams do he would put up better numbers.   The celtics are developing him differently.

The issue with Marcus isn't mindset or talent level.  He is still adjusting to what his role is.  As he is more the aggressor in that role the better he is.
I think with this draft being PG heavy at top and rozier showing progress, Marcus is a trade candidate this season.
lol

5 straight pages of CB'ers talking about how invaluable Smart is and LarBrd just drops in at the end and says maybe the team will trade him. I love it.

I don't think that is crazy at all to suggest...I mean at some point they will need to break up the guards. Depending on draft position, they could easily draft a PG. Think about it, what if we could land Fultz? Who by the way is not 6'5. No idea why they listed him as so tall. Looks 6'3 to me.

Also, Grousbeck in his interviews about Smart has said he needs to improve his shooting. He also said he expects Smart to become a better shooter. So clearly the Celtics want him to be better than he was last year. Let's see how he ends the year before jumping to any conclusions. But the term all star was thrown around here when people were talking about Smart. Still early in the year to judge, but it's certainly not trending that way.

Re: Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16
« Reply #449 on: November 22, 2016, 10:40:38 AM »

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Marcus is going to break out eventually.  He's playiing a jack of all trades role for us. His offense is still coming.  If he were purely a pg and inserted into games like some teams do he would put up better numbers.   The celtics are developing him differently.

The issue with Marcus isn't mindset or talent level.  He is still adjusting to what his role is.  As he is more the aggressor in that role the better he is.
I think with this draft being PG heavy at top and rozier showing progress, Marcus is a trade candidate this season.
lol

5 straight pages of CB'ers talking about how invaluable Smart is and LarBrd just drops in at the end and says maybe the team will trade him. I love it.
Its like he didn't watch the game. Smart Roz and Horford won us that game.