Celtics (7-6) at Timberwolves (4-8) Game #14 11/21/16

[alldaboston]

Smart won this game for us. We were down 13 and he ROASTED the guys in the huddle. I could hear him over the broadcast going *expletive* this, *expletive* this. we're *expletive* better than this.

We came out of that huddle with a pulse and their lead evaporated as we went on a 19 and 0 run.

I don't even know what his stats are this game, but Smart gets the game ball.

TP. Woke the team up.

the fantasy basketball crow will cite 3-9 shooting and 6 turnovers and say Smart sucked.

Yeah pretty much. Problem with fantasy basketball

Okay....What are you even trying to say? That he's an all star? If so you're going to pay him the max?

That's literally the last thing I would ever take away from his comment. Like, how in the WORLD did you come up with that? lol

[tankcity!]

Smart won this game for us. We were down 13 and he ROASTED the guys in the huddle. I could hear him over the broadcast going *expletive* this, *expletive* this. we're *expletive* better than this.

We came out of that huddle with a pulse and their lead evaporated as we went on a 19 and 0 run.

I don't even know what his stats are this game, but Smart gets the game ball.

TP. Woke the team up.

the fantasy basketball crow will cite 3-9 shooting and 6 turnovers and say Smart sucked.

Yeah pretty much. Problem with fantasy basketball

Okay....What are you even trying to say? That he's an all star? If so you're going to pay him the max?

Not sure where you pulled that from.

It's not too controversial so suggest Marcus smart is far more valuable than his counting stats

The fantasy basketball comment was weird and made no sense since most people just say he is a role player. And that gets everyone riled up. No one here has said Smart is garbage. So again, don't get the fantasy basketball reference unless you disagree and think he is more than a role player.

[walker834]

People complained about Bradley just the same. That is a poor example. It's one thing challenging players and wanting them to be their best.  It's different what people did to bradley vs people who actually believed in him.

[Ilikesports17]

No offense but this board loses a lot of credibility when they criticize people who say these same things. Speaking of which i've had marcus on my fantasy squad since he was a rookie. Never thought he sucked.Never thought brad sucked either.  Even he  questioned the toughness of this team. People do that here people whine about it.

Big difference being correct in your criticicisms too.  Most people can't back that up.

If you could use less pronouns I think it would be easier to figure out what you are saying.

what are "these thing"

what "people do that here" and what is that and what are people whining about .

I felt in my post that it was pretty obvious, I did not mean to completely disparage fantasy basketball. I also dont mean to discount counting stats. Marcus Smart clearly has a massive impact on the game outside his stats. If I didnt watch Celtics games Id see his turnover count and his continued inneficient shooting and chalk it up as a bad game.

In two months you can almost garauntee Marcus firing up a comeback, hitting a massive 3, locking down Wiggins, forcing a couple kee turnovers  today will all be dismissed and laughed away as bull**** arguments in Smarts favor.

Its clear that with every player numbers dont tell the whole story. Its especially so with Marcus Smart and it is frustrating to see him evaluated based nearly exclusively on fg% and ppg when that is clearly not the whole story of Marcus Smart.

I'm saying this board would have a lot more credibility cheering marcus for what he did had they not panned me the other day for basically doing the same thing.  People are insecure.  Instead of saying [dang] straight we need to play tougher and take it the hoop etc..

Still a bit confused.
You said what yesterday?
You  were ripped by it?
Somehow this runs parallel to comments in this thread?

[tankcity!]

Smart won this game for us. We were down 13 and he ROASTED the guys in the huddle. I could hear him over the broadcast going *expletive* this, *expletive* this. we're *expletive* better than this.

We came out of that huddle with a pulse and their lead evaporated as we went on a 19 and 0 run.

I don't even know what his stats are this game, but Smart gets the game ball.

TP. Woke the team up.

the fantasy basketball crow will cite 3-9 shooting and 6 turnovers and say Smart sucked.

Yeah pretty much. Problem with fantasy basketball

Okay....What are you even trying to say? That he's an all star? If so you're going to pay him the max?

That's literally the last thing I would ever take away from his comment. Like, how in the WORLD did you come up with that? lol

Because nobody has called Smart a benchwarmer. You guys are acting like we look at his stats and say he is garbage. When in fact, we've just been saying he's a role player. Today exemplified that even more.

[Ilikesports17]

Smart won this game for us. We were down 13 and he ROASTED the guys in the huddle. I could hear him over the broadcast going *expletive* this, *expletive* this. we're *expletive* better than this.

We came out of that huddle with a pulse and their lead evaporated as we went on a 19 and 0 run.

I don't even know what his stats are this game, but Smart gets the game ball.

TP. Woke the team up.

the fantasy basketball crow will cite 3-9 shooting and 6 turnovers and say Smart sucked.

Yeah pretty much. Problem with fantasy basketball

Okay....What are you even trying to say? That he's an all star? If so you're going to pay him the max?

Not sure where you pulled that from.

It's not too controversial so suggest Marcus smart is far more valuable than his counting stats

The fantasy basketball comment was weird and made no sense since most people just say he is a role player. And that gets everyone riled up. No one here has said Smart is garbage. So again, don't get the fantasy basketball reference unless you disagree and think he is more than a role player.

Fantasy basketball strictly deals with counting stats. Marcus's aren't very good.

Th term role player is so vague and useless. Forget the larger evaluation of Marcus Smart. Smart tonight had a bad day if you look at his box score(ie fantasy basketball) but he had a much larger impact on the game than those numbers suggest.

[tankcity!]

Smart won this game for us. We were down 13 and he ROASTED the guys in the huddle. I could hear him over the broadcast going *expletive* this, *expletive* this. we're *expletive* better than this.

We came out of that huddle with a pulse and their lead evaporated as we went on a 19 and 0 run.

I don't even know what his stats are this game, but Smart gets the game ball.

TP. Woke the team up.

the fantasy basketball crow will cite 3-9 shooting and 6 turnovers and say Smart sucked.

Yeah pretty much. Problem with fantasy basketball

Okay....What are you even trying to say? That he's an all star? If so you're going to pay him the max?

Not sure where you pulled that from.

It's not too controversial so suggest Marcus smart is far more valuable than his counting stats

The fantasy basketball comment was weird and made no sense since most people just say he is a role player. And that gets everyone riled up. No one here has said Smart is garbage. So again, don't get the fantasy basketball reference unless you disagree and think he is more than a role player.

Fantasy basketball strictly deals with counting stats. Marcus's aren't very good.

Th term role player is so vague and useless. Forget the larger evaluation of Marcus Smart. Smart tonight had a bad day if you look at his box score(ie fantasy basketball) but he had a much larger impact on the game than those numbers suggest.

I see. I thought your comment was directed towards specific negative postings about Smart.

And he is a role player in my eyes. Nothing vague and useless imo since every front office uses the term and strategy of building a team.

[mahcus smaht]

Smart won this game for us. We were down 13 and he ROASTED the guys in the huddle. I could hear him over the broadcast going *expletive* this, *expletive* this. we're *expletive* better than this.

We came out of that huddle with a pulse and their lead evaporated as we went on a 19 and 0 run.

I don't even know what his stats are this game, but Smart gets the game ball.

TP. Woke the team up.

the fantasy basketball crow will cite 3-9 shooting and 6 turnovers and say Smart sucked.

Yeah pretty much. Problem with fantasy basketball

Okay....What are you even trying to say? That he's an all star? If so you're going to pay him the max?

Not sure where you pulled that from.

It's not too controversial so suggest Marcus smart is far more valuable than his counting stats

The fantasy basketball comment was weird and made no sense since most people just say he is a role player. And that gets everyone riled up. No one here has said Smart is garbage. So again, don't get the fantasy basketball reference unless you disagree and think he is more than a role player.

Fantasy basketball strictly deals with counting stats. Marcus's aren't very good.

Th term role player is so vague and useless. Forget the larger evaluation of Marcus Smart. Smart tonight had a bad day if you look at his box score(ie fantasy basketball) but he had a much larger impact on the game than those numbers suggest.

I see. I thought your comment was directed towards specific negative postings about Smart.

And he is a role player in my eyes. Nothing vague and useless imo since every front office uses the term and strategy of building a team.

will you not grant that "roleplayer" could mean anything from Tristan Thompson to Matthew Delevadova?

Bogut and Iguodala to Ian Clarke?

Ive got a pretty pro-Smart bias so Ill try and stay out of the discussion.

Smarts not a star. I dont really expect him to every become one, but I believe he projects as a really really good player. Role  player means anything from man #3 or 4 to man number 7 or 8. Its a huge range.

[tankcity!]

Smart won this game for us. We were down 13 and he ROASTED the guys in the huddle. I could hear him over the broadcast going *expletive* this, *expletive* this. we're *expletive* better than this.

We came out of that huddle with a pulse and their lead evaporated as we went on a 19 and 0 run.

I don't even know what his stats are this game, but Smart gets the game ball.

TP. Woke the team up.

the fantasy basketball crow will cite 3-9 shooting and 6 turnovers and say Smart sucked.

Yeah pretty much. Problem with fantasy basketball

Okay....What are you even trying to say? That he's an all star? If so you're going to pay him the max?

Not sure where you pulled that from.

It's not too controversial so suggest Marcus smart is far more valuable than his counting stats

The fantasy basketball comment was weird and made no sense since most people just say he is a role player. And that gets everyone riled up. No one here has said Smart is garbage. So again, don't get the fantasy basketball reference unless you disagree and think he is more than a role player.

Fantasy basketball strictly deals with counting stats. Marcus's aren't very good.

Th term role player is so vague and useless. Forget the larger evaluation of Marcus Smart. Smart tonight had a bad day if you look at his box score(ie fantasy basketball) but he had a much larger impact on the game than those numbers suggest.

I see. I thought your comment was directed towards specific negative postings about Smart.

And he is a role player in my eyes. Nothing vague and useless imo since every front office uses the term and strategy of building a team.

will you not grant that "roleplayer" could mean anything from Tristan Thompson to Matthew Delevadova?

Bogut and Iguodala to Ian Clarke?

Yes exactly. But I thought that is what people thought I meant when I call Smart a role player. I mean he is going to be a high end role player imo.

[hpantazo]

Rather than classify Smart as a role player or all-star or some other cookie cutter category, I'd rather call him a 'winner' and a 'leader'. That's what he is.

[jdz101]

Smart won this game for us. We were down 13 and he ROASTED the guys in the huddle. I could hear him over the broadcast going *expletive* this, *expletive* this. we're *expletive* better than this.

We came out of that huddle with a pulse and their lead evaporated as we went on a 19 and 0 run.

I don't even know what his stats are this game, but Smart gets the game ball.

TP. Woke the team up.

the fantasy basketball crow will cite 3-9 shooting and 6 turnovers and say Smart sucked.

The guy just gives what the team needs at the expense of his own well-being or stats.

They needed that rebound against Detroit the other night so he came flying in out of nowhere and they needed a wake up call tonight and he was able to provide that in spades aswell. Same amount of rebounds as Horford and the team needed every one.

[walker834]

A lot of players are overrated around the league because of the amount of touches they get.  Just look at Bradley.  With Horford out and when he was called upon he puts up those numbers. With Horford back he is playing more his role.  All these teams are talented.  It's about mindset and how they play as much as anything.

If Bradley never had this stretch makes me wonder what people would think of him though.  Same with if he goes back to averaging more pedestrian numbers. 

Winning basketball is something completely different.  A lot of guys can put up numbers especially at their talent level.

Todays NBA gets too focused on the numbers where they think on paper if it adds up it equals winnng when that's not always the case. They forget math is not absolutely  factual when it comes to people.

AB is awesome.

[trickybilly]

No offense but this board loses a lot of credibility when they criticize people who say these same things. Speaking of which i've had marcus on my fantasy squad since he was a rookie. Never thought he sucked.Never thought brad sucked either.  Even he  questioned the toughness of this team. People do that here people whine about it.

Big difference being correct in your criticisms too.  Most people can't back that up.

I don't really follow fantasy sports that much, but has his fantasy real value gone up or down since his rookie year?

I see that he is currently ranked 67th among guards on CBS website. Below Lin, Dunn, Will Barton..

It seems to me that Fantasy is where he kinda sucks. He is the original intangibles guy who can literally win you a heapa games with a 5/4/4 night.

[drogbagarnett]

Smart won this game for us. We were down 13 and he ROASTED the guys in the huddle. I could hear him over the broadcast going *expletive* this, *expletive* this. we're *expletive* better than this.

We came out of that huddle with a pulse and their lead evaporated as we went on a 19 and 0 run.

I don't even know what his stats are this game, but Smart gets the game ball.

TP
Couldn't agree more!
Plus his cluntch D, cluntch 3 and cluntch rebounds!!

[walker834]

No offense but this board loses a lot of credibility when they criticize people who say these same things. Speaking of which i've had marcus on my fantasy squad since he was a rookie. Never thought he sucked.Never thought brad sucked either.  Even he  questioned the toughness of this team. People do that here people whine about it.

Big difference being correct in your criticisms too.  Most people can't back that up.

I don't really follow fantasy sports that much, but has his fantasy real value gone up or down since his rookie year?

I see that he is currently ranked 67th among guards on CBS website. Below Lin, Dunn, Will Barton..

It seems to me that Fantasy is where he kinda sucks. He is the original intangibles guy who can literally win you a heapa games with a 5/4/4 night.

his fantasy rating isn't very good.  He puts up numbers though.  I just draft around him in ways and get him late because no one takes him and I target him for the stuff he does well.   His bad percentages dont really hurt because he doesnt shoot that much.

He's one of the few guards that will get you plus assists, steals, 3's etc and his numbers improve each year. he's also a pretty good rebounder for a guard. fantasy has to be taken for what it is though.   I dont draft my team solely on numbers though.  i win a lot too because i know who's good and going to improve and who isn't.  I am not a stat stuffer sort of person.  i just like good players.

I also draft defense in fantasy and do quite well with it.  I was just looking at the record books. I own blocks, steals, rebounds all t ime by a good margain.