Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time

[Ilikesports17]

I agree that it would make more sense to just try to target him in free agency, but he's a restricted free agent... so Philly probably matches whatever offer he gets.   They have to spend the money somehow and they could just try flipping him at the 2018 trade deadline to one of the teams that had interest in free agency.

Colangelo already said hes uncomfortable going into this season with all the bigs. The last thing he wants to do is going into NEXT season with all the bigs.

[bogg]

I agree that it would make more sense to just try to target him in free agency, but he's a restricted free agent... so Philly probably matches whatever offer he gets.   They have to spend the money somehow and they could just try flipping him at the 2018 trade deadline to one of the teams that had interest in free agency.

Unrealistic. They're not carrying all three centers for another two seasons, at least one of them will force a trade before then.

[LarBrd33]

I agree that it would make more sense to just try to target him in free agency, but he's a restricted free agent... so Philly probably matches whatever offer he gets.   They have to spend the money somehow and they could just try flipping him at the 2018 trade deadline to one of the teams that had interest in free agency.

Colangelo already said hes uncomfortable going into this season with all the bigs. The last thing he wants to do is going into NEXT season with all the bigs.

It's hard to say which of the bigs they should keep, though.  It probably makes the most sense for them to keep them for the time being and experiment with a variety of lineups.  Whatever decision they make could impact them for decades since any one of those center prospects might have all-star selections in their future.  Unless they are taking back an established star or someone they believe has a chance to be a star, it doesn't make much sense for them to trade any of those guys.

If things have escalated and Noel is now demanding a trade, that changes things.

[LarBrd33]

CSN Philly ran an article on it.  http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/sixers-need-move-big-celtics-not-good-match

The basic gist is that we can all just assume that Boston is unwilling to move any of the Brooklyn picks for Noel or Okafor.  And since those are off the table and Boston presumably doesn't want to give up their best players, the two teams aren't much of a fit.   Key parts:

The Sixers want to move a big. The Celtics clearly want a big. Perfect match, right? There's just one problem: What does Boston have that the Sixers want?

Not much, to put it simply.

Could a package of Smart, Rozier and a first-round pick get it done? If I'm Colangelo, no, it can't. Those players certainly have good pedigrees and may still be productive NBA players, but that's not enough to pull the trigger on trading either Noel or Okafor.

We all know the Sixers need to move a big man. That doesn't mean they should give one away.

Makes sense.   I think any deal involving Okafor or Noel coming to Boston would likely need to involve a 3rd team... unless something drastic changes and Philly decides to just give away one of those guys for whatever offer they get.

Also, great point from a Philly fan in the comments who points out that despite how good Rozier looked in Summer League, he's still a guy who shot 29% and 22% from three in the NBA last year and is arguably worse than Nik Stauskas, who they already have.

[dannyboy35]

Nothing wrong with one guy being a sixth man. It's not like two of the bigs can play the whole game even if they wanted to.  Although, that's not factoring in how much everyone will want to get paid in the future.

[celticsclay]

I agree that it would make more sense to just try to target him in free agency, but he's a restricted free agent... so Philly probably matches whatever offer he gets.   They have to spend the money somehow and they could just try flipping him at the 2018 trade deadline to one of the teams that had interest in free agency.

Colangelo already said hes uncomfortable going into this season with all the bigs. The last thing he wants to do is going into NEXT season with all the bigs.

It's hard to say which of the bigs they should keep, though.  It probably makes the most sense for them to keep them for the time being and experiment with a variety of lineups.  Whatever decision they make could impact them for decades since any one of those center prospects might have all-star selections in their future.  Unless they are taking back an established star or someone they believe has a chance to be a star, it doesn't make much sense for them to trade any of those guys.

If things have escalated and Noel is now demanding a trade, that changes things.

It seems like there are starting to be whispers Noel wants to be traded. Definitely nothing official yet, but unlike random trade rumors, when people start suggesting a guy has made a trade request the smoke leads to fire pretty consistently.

[LarBrd33]

I agree that it would make more sense to just try to target him in free agency, but he's a restricted free agent... so Philly probably matches whatever offer he gets.   They have to spend the money somehow and they could just try flipping him at the 2018 trade deadline to one of the teams that had interest in free agency.

Colangelo already said hes uncomfortable going into this season with all the bigs. The last thing he wants to do is going into NEXT season with all the bigs.

It's hard to say which of the bigs they should keep, though.  It probably makes the most sense for them to keep them for the time being and experiment with a variety of lineups.  Whatever decision they make could impact them for decades since any one of those center prospects might have all-star selections in their future.  Unless they are taking back an established star or someone they believe has a chance to be a star, it doesn't make much sense for them to trade any of those guys.

If things have escalated and Noel is now demanding a trade, that changes things.

It seems like there are starting to be whispers Noel wants to be traded. Definitely nothing official yet, but unlike random trade rumors, when people start suggesting a guy has made a trade request the smoke leads to fire pretty consistently.

Been waiting a half decade to see the DeMarcus Cousins smoke lead to some flames.

[kraidstar]

I agree that it would make more sense to just try to target him in free agency, but he's a restricted free agent... so Philly probably matches whatever offer he gets.   They have to spend the money somehow and they could just try flipping him at the 2018 trade deadline to one of the teams that had interest in free agency.

Colangelo already said hes uncomfortable going into this season with all the bigs. The last thing he wants to do is going into NEXT season with all the bigs.

It's hard to say which of the bigs they should keep, though.  It probably makes the most sense for them to keep them for the time being and experiment with a variety of lineups.  Whatever decision they make could impact them for decades since any one of those center prospects might have all-star selections in their future.  Unless they are taking back an established star or someone they believe has a chance to be a star, it doesn't make much sense for them to trade any of those guys.

If things have escalated and Noel is now demanding a trade, that changes things.

Normally they probably trade the guy they think has the least potential.

Like when OKC dumped Jeff Green, he was the weakest of their top young guys.

But as you noted there are concerns about fit - and also salary.

Under the current CBA players with 6 years experience or less can get a max of 25% of the cap.

Simmons will likely get a max deal regardless of how he performs. Too much hype and expectation to risk losing him. That leaves ~75% of the cap for Embiid, Okafor, Noel, Saric, and of course all the guards and small forwards they'll eventually need to acquire to build a competitive team.

Once you have Simmons, how much of that 75% are you willing to commit to the  other big men on the team? I can't imagine more than one of those other bigs getting a max. They would end up like the Drummond/Monroe/Smith Pistons of a couple years back.

They might end up trading one of their top-3 players due to position, much like when OKC traded Harden instead of dumping Ibaka or Perkins.

Hopefully our talent evaluation is better than theirs and Danny can get his man, unlike the Green trade when OKC allegedly pulled Harden off the table at the last minute and we got Uncle Jeff instead.

[celticsclay]

I agree that it would make more sense to just try to target him in free agency, but he's a restricted free agent... so Philly probably matches whatever offer he gets.   They have to spend the money somehow and they could just try flipping him at the 2018 trade deadline to one of the teams that had interest in free agency.

Colangelo already said hes uncomfortable going into this season with all the bigs. The last thing he wants to do is going into NEXT season with all the bigs.

It's hard to say which of the bigs they should keep, though.  It probably makes the most sense for them to keep them for the time being and experiment with a variety of lineups.  Whatever decision they make could impact them for decades since any one of those center prospects might have all-star selections in their future.  Unless they are taking back an established star or someone they believe has a chance to be a star, it doesn't make much sense for them to trade any of those guys.

If things have escalated and Noel is now demanding a trade, that changes things.

It seems like there are starting to be whispers Noel wants to be traded. Definitely nothing official yet, but unlike random trade rumors, when people start suggesting a guy has made a trade request the smoke leads to fire pretty consistently.

Been waiting a half decade to see the DeMarcus Cousins smoke lead to some flames.

That is a fair counter example, but I don't think I have ever heard anyone say Demarcus demanded a trade. I have heard he is unhappy with coach x, or upset they fired coach. Maybe I am forgetting something. But if he actually had demanded a trade I think he would already been gone. It really poisons the locker room unlike anything else when a player demands a trade to the media. Teams have even sent players home in the past and away from the team until they can accomodate a trade demand.

[MBunge]

CSN Philly ran an article on it.  http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/sixers-need-move-big-celtics-not-good-match

That article is essentially useless because the author significantly overvalues both Noel and Okafor.  He says Smart, Rozier and a 1st is not enough but there is ZERO evidence that anyone in the league is offering anything even close to that.  What you think something is worth means nothing.  The only thing that matters is what someone else is willing to pay.

Mike

[bogg]

CSN Philly ran an article on it.  http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/sixers-need-move-big-celtics-not-good-match

That article is essentially useless because the author significantly overvalues both Noel and Okafor.  He says Smart, Rozier and a 1st is not enough but there is ZERO evidence that anyone in the league is offering anything even close to that.  What you think something is worth means nothing.  The only thing that matters is what someone else is willing to pay.

Mike

Yea, this is Philly's problem more than anything. Instead of asking yourself how much you think Player X is worth based on draft position and what they've done on the worst team in the league, look around the league and ask who out there both needs one of those guys badly enough to give up a premium asset AND that asset available to send the Sixers' way. I don't think there's a single team, Boston included - Horford's probably best-suited to play center going forward anyway and Noel mucks up both their offense and their ability to sign a max free agent next summer.

[kraidstar]

CSN Philly ran an article on it.  http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/sixers-need-move-big-celtics-not-good-match

The basic gist is that we can all just assume that Boston is unwilling to move any of the Brooklyn picks for Noel or Okafor.  And since those are off the table and Boston presumably doesn't want to give up their best players, the two teams aren't much of a fit.   Key parts:

The Sixers want to move a big. The Celtics clearly want a big. Perfect match, right? There's just one problem: What does Boston have that the Sixers want?

Not much, to put it simply.

Could a package of Smart, Rozier and a first-round pick get it done? If I'm Colangelo, no, it can't. Those players certainly have good pedigrees and may still be productive NBA players, but that's not enough to pull the trigger on trading either Noel or Okafor.

We all know the Sixers need to move a big man. That doesn't mean they should give one away.

Makes sense.   I think any deal involving Okafor or Noel coming to Boston would likely need to involve a 3rd team... unless something drastic changes and Philly decides to just give away one of those guys for whatever offer they get.

Also, great point from a Philly fan in the comments who points out that despite how good Rozier looked in Summer League, he's still a guy who shot 29% and 22% from three in the NBA last year and is arguably worse than Nik Stauskas, who they already have.

Yeah, Stauskas is better if you disregard defense, ball handling, ability to finish at the rim, passing, rebounding, athleticism, shot creation, and heart.

[celticsclay]

CSN Philly ran an article on it.  http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/sixers-need-move-big-celtics-not-good-match

The basic gist is that we can all just assume that Boston is unwilling to move any of the Brooklyn picks for Noel or Okafor.  And since those are off the table and Boston presumably doesn't want to give up their best players, the two teams aren't much of a fit.   Key parts:

The Sixers want to move a big. The Celtics clearly want a big. Perfect match, right? There's just one problem: What does Boston have that the Sixers want?

Not much, to put it simply.

Could a package of Smart, Rozier and a first-round pick get it done? If I'm Colangelo, no, it can't. Those players certainly have good pedigrees and may still be productive NBA players, but that's not enough to pull the trigger on trading either Noel or Okafor.

We all know the Sixers need to move a big man. That doesn't mean they should give one away.

Makes sense.   I think any deal involving Okafor or Noel coming to Boston would likely need to involve a 3rd team... unless something drastic changes and Philly decides to just give away one of those guys for whatever offer they get.

Also, great point from a Philly fan in the comments who points out that despite how good Rozier looked in Summer League, he's still a guy who shot 29% and 22% from three in the NBA last year and is arguably worse than Nik Stauskas, who they already have.

Yeah, Stauskas is better if you disregard defense, ball handling, ability to finish at the rim, passing, rebounding, athleticism, shot creation, and heart.

Wait Stauskas? He shot 38% from the field last year and was blasted twice by Brown for his defensive effort. Is that serious? It is possible Rozier doesn't develop into a great player, but he already showed more in the playoffs than stauskas has.

[jpotter33]

CSN Philly ran an article on it.  http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/sixers-need-move-big-celtics-not-good-match

That article is essentially useless because the author significantly overvalues both Noel and Okafor.  He says Smart, Rozier and a 1st is not enough but there is ZERO evidence that anyone in the league is offering anything even close to that.  What you think something is worth means nothing.  The only thing that matters is what someone else is willing to pay.

Mike

TP. That's something Philly people just don't seem to understand. Their subjective evaluation of his trade value doesn't really matter, because their evaluation doesn't set the market price for him. The entire league knows they are absolutely going to be forced to trade one of their bigs thanks to Hinkie's unrealistic roster creation, which artificially lowers his value, along with his contract status already lowering it. So posting Philly articles about their bigs' trade value doesn't really matter if they're not taking into consideration the actual market value of their players.

And like you said, nobody is even close to offering such a package that they posited in the article, let alone the Brrooklyn pick that is much more valuable in itself anyways.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Why not just flip Smart, Rozier, and a 1st for Staukus, then? Let him compete for a starting role with AB, then hand him the keys when IT is ready to bounce for more $$. We would be better now and in the future.