Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time

[Eddie20]

how soon until Jaylen Brown can be traded?  It has to be a month after he signed his contract, right?

Maybe Brown for Noel has been agreed to, but they can't make it official until Brown can be traded... similar to the Love/Wiggins situation.

Is this a serious take?

Sure.  The trade rumors around the draft (which we both agree were probably baseless) were built around Noel for the #3 pick.  It didn't make sense for Boston for a number of reasons.   But a main reason was that doing such a trade would have killed our ability to have double-max cap space Noel's money would be on the books (and possibly also Covington's if you believed that deal).    Made no sense bringing on salary if we were trying to get HOrford + Durant (which we clearly were). 

But now that the Durant ship has sailed and Jaylen has been signed, maybe that deal makes more sense.  We'd have to wait until Jaylen could be traded... which is August 26th, I believe.   So maybe that's the reason for the cryptic tweet.  If it's playing out like the Wiggins/Love situation, the deal would have been agreed to under the table "hush hush", but neither team would be able to admit to it publicly until Wiggins (or in this case, Brown) could be officially traded.   That's a little over two weeks from now.

I'll bet ya 10 TPs it(a Noel for Brown based deal)doesn't happen

It doesn't make much sense for Boston.  But something built around both guys is at least theoretically plausible.  Maybe something like Brown + Rozier + a couple of the guys we plan on cutting + a future non-Brooklyn pick for Noel, Covington, and the 2017 Lakers pick.   If that 2017 Lakers pick is in the play, it's a game changer.  But there's not a lot of reason to believe that future Lakers pick is in play other than some pretty weak rumors floating around the net.

Noel is so [dang] overrated, it's baffling what he's actually accomplished to become overrated in the first place. You'll likely feel the same if you'd actually watch him play. The guy is a train-wreck offensively, has stones for hands, and is not the rebounder people think he is. Rebounding in traffic, when players put a body on him, is an issue. He also lacks feel and a basic understanding of things such as moving without the ball, not passing a fastball to a teammate when he's 5 feet away, and just catching the ball with those brutal hands. The ball literally has to be placed at the numbers or Noel is not going to catch it cleanly. That's what makes the rim running he should be able to do so difficult.

I'd actually like him to come to Boston, albeit at a reasonable price, just to see the masses drooling over him now start to turn on him not being what they expected.

[JohnBoy65]

I am guessing the package would be a 3 for 1 deal of some sort.

Noel for Rozier, Young, and Hunter and various picks. Maybe Memphis 1st and a couple 2nds?

[LarBrd33]

how soon until Jaylen Brown can be traded?  It has to be a month after he signed his contract, right?

Maybe Brown for Noel has been agreed to, but they can't make it official until Brown can be traded... similar to the Love/Wiggins situation.

Is this a serious take?

Sure.  The trade rumors around the draft (which we both agree were probably baseless) were built around Noel for the #3 pick.  It didn't make sense for Boston for a number of reasons.   But a main reason was that doing such a trade would have killed our ability to have double-max cap space Noel's money would be on the books (and possibly also Covington's if you believed that deal).    Made no sense bringing on salary if we were trying to get HOrford + Durant (which we clearly were). 

But now that the Durant ship has sailed and Jaylen has been signed, maybe that deal makes more sense.  We'd have to wait until Jaylen could be traded... which is August 26th, I believe.   So maybe that's the reason for the cryptic tweet.  If it's playing out like the Wiggins/Love situation, the deal would have been agreed to under the table "hush hush", but neither team would be able to admit to it publicly until Wiggins (or in this case, Brown) could be officially traded.   That's a little over two weeks from now.

I'll bet ya 10 TPs it(a Noel for Brown based deal)doesn't happen

It doesn't make much sense for Boston.  But something built around both guys is at least theoretically plausible.  Maybe something like Brown + Rozier + a couple of the guys we plan on cutting + a future non-Brooklyn pick for Noel, Covington, and the 2017 Lakers pick.   If that 2017 Lakers pick is in the play, it's a game changer.  But there's not a lot of reason to believe that future Lakers pick is in play other than some pretty weak rumors floating around the net.

Noel is so [dang] overrated.

He might be overrated, but he might actually be underrated.  We haven't seen him play on a competent team with real NBA players by his side.  I've heard professional scouts claim he'd flourish if surrounded by real talent.  And he has the capacity to be dominant defensively. 

I guess time will tell.

This is probably much ado about nothing, but if we're really reading into his cryptic tweet, the conclusion you could make is that he's demanding a trade to Boston or that a trade has already been agreed to with Boston.   

And if a trade has already been agreed to with Boston, why don't we know about it?  I sure as heck hope it doesn't mean Jaylen Brown is involved, but that would at least make sense since it's similar to what happened with Andrew Wiggins.   And since all the rumors around the draft revolved around the pick (which we used on Brown) for Noel, it's not really new territory on the rumor front. 

That's not to say it would be Brown straight up for Noel.  It's just that Brown can't be traded until August 26th and at least that's a plausible reason for why Noel would know he's getting shipped out, but can't officially announce it.

Out of curiosity, what do some of the  folks here think would be fair return if Philly was now trying to package Noel + the 2017 (top 3 protected) Lakers pick?  Brown + what?

[celticsclay]

how soon until Jaylen Brown can be traded?  It has to be a month after he signed his contract, right?

Maybe Brown for Noel has been agreed to, but they can't make it official until Brown can be traded... similar to the Love/Wiggins situation.

Is this a serious take?

Sure.  The trade rumors around the draft (which we both agree were probably baseless) were built around Noel for the #3 pick.  It didn't make sense for Boston for a number of reasons.   But a main reason was that doing such a trade would have killed our ability to have double-max cap space Noel's money would be on the books (and possibly also Covington's if you believed that deal).    Made no sense bringing on salary if we were trying to get HOrford + Durant (which we clearly were). 

But now that the Durant ship has sailed and Jaylen has been signed, maybe that deal makes more sense.  We'd have to wait until Jaylen could be traded... which is August 26th, I believe.   So maybe that's the reason for the cryptic tweet.  If it's playing out like the Wiggins/Love situation, the deal would have been agreed to under the table "hush hush", but neither team would be able to admit to it publicly until Wiggins (or in this case, Brown) could be officially traded.   That's a little over two weeks from now.

I sure hope we could get Noel for less than Brown, but who knows.  Guess we'll have to wait and see if anything happens.

Why would the Celtics put him through summer league and risk injury (ironically he suffered a minor one), have him meet the coaching staff and work with the training stuff, then immediately trade him the second he is eligible. Serious question, has that ever happened before in the history of the NBA? A team puts a guy through summer camp and offseason on their team even though he has already been agreed to be traded to another team?

WHy would the Cavs have put Wiggins through summer league, etc etc, blah blah.

Brown was seen as a reach at #3 by a lot of folks.  People freaked that we didn't take Dunn there.  Having him prove his worth on the Summer League stage might have calmed nerves.  Or, perhaps it had the opposite effect.  He shot like 31% and 22% from three.  His potential was on display, but so were his flaws.

I'll give you some credit because I had the timelines wrong on when the Cavs traded Wiggins. That being said i do believe that was a pretty unique situation because you had Lebron acting as a defacto GM there and a lot of ways of how teams normally operate go out the window in that situation. All that being said trading Brown now would seem really insane to me.

[celticsclay]

how soon until Jaylen Brown can be traded?  It has to be a month after he signed his contract, right?

Maybe Brown for Noel has been agreed to, but they can't make it official until Brown can be traded... similar to the Love/Wiggins situation.

Is this a serious take?

Sure.  The trade rumors around the draft (which we both agree were probably baseless) were built around Noel for the #3 pick.  It didn't make sense for Boston for a number of reasons.   But a main reason was that doing such a trade would have killed our ability to have double-max cap space Noel's money would be on the books (and possibly also Covington's if you believed that deal).    Made no sense bringing on salary if we were trying to get HOrford + Durant (which we clearly were). 

But now that the Durant ship has sailed and Jaylen has been signed, maybe that deal makes more sense.  We'd have to wait until Jaylen could be traded... which is August 26th, I believe.   So maybe that's the reason for the cryptic tweet.  If it's playing out like the Wiggins/Love situation, the deal would have been agreed to under the table "hush hush", but neither team would be able to admit to it publicly until Wiggins (or in this case, Brown) could be officially traded.   That's a little over two weeks from now.

I'll bet ya 10 TPs it(a Noel for Brown based deal)doesn't happen

It doesn't make much sense for Boston.  But something built around both guys is at least theoretically plausible.  Maybe something like Brown + Rozier + a couple of the guys we plan on cutting + a future non-Brooklyn pick for Noel, Covington, and the 2017 Lakers pick.   If that 2017 Lakers pick is in the play, it's a game changer.  But there's not a lot of reason to believe that future Lakers pick is in play other than some pretty weak rumors floating around the net.

Noel is so [dang] overrated.

He might be overrated, but he might actually be underrated.  We haven't seen him play on a competent team with real NBA players by his side.  I've heard professional scouts claim he'd flourish if surrounded by real talent.  And he has the capacity to be dominant defensively. 

I guess time will tell.

This is probably much ado about nothing, but if we're really reading into his cryptic tweet, the conclusion you could make is that he's demanding a trade to Boston or that a trade has already been agreed to with Boston.   

And if a trade has already been agreed to with Boston, why don't we know about it?  I sure as heck hope it doesn't mean Jaylen Brown is involved, but that would at least make sense since it's similar to what happened with Andrew Wiggins.   And since all the rumors around the draft revolved around the pick (which we used on Brown) for Noel, it's not really new territory on the rumor front. 

That's not to say it would be Brown straight up for Noel.  It's just that Brown can't be traded until August 26th and at least that's a plausible reason for why Noel would know he's getting shipped out, but can't officially announce it.

Out of curiosity, what do some of the  folks here think would be fair return if Philly was now trying to package Noel + the 2017 (top 3 protected) Lakers pick?  Brown + what?

I think that the Lakers pick would have a lot more value for a team besides ourselves (a younger rebuilding team) trading for noel (especially if it is trading the raw brown) would be a win now mode. I think having two lottery picks next year (the nets and that lakers pick) would be problematic as the players wouldn't be in a good position to success behind all our veterans. I also really hate getting draft picks with certain protections (also why i love the nets pick). I think it makes team building and trading near impossible because we don't know if we are getting the 4th pick in 2017, the 9th pick or a pick in 2018 that could be anywhere.

[LarBrd33]

Yeah trading brown wouldn't make much sense, but you never know with Danny.  If he doesn't think brown can contribute any time soon and thinks guys like jerbko and Gerald green need minutes this season, who knows. 

We also still have too many people on our roster and there's a crazy rumor Ray Allen might consider coming here. lol.  If we need to free up roster spots people need to get cut or something needs to happen.

So hypothetically... Jaylen brown + Rozier + Young for Noel and the Lakers pick.  Who says no?

[bogg]

I don't see any sort of logic in a trade centered around Brown and Noel - Philly can't hope to get close to that from anyone else in trade for Nerlens. It isn't just Ainge posturing in the media - there are 28 other teams in the league and nobody's beating down Philly's door for him. They've got three guys who can all only play the center position - they can pretend they don't have to make a move, but that'll last right up until trade demands start getting issued.

[celticsclay]

Yeah trading brown wouldn't make much sense, but you never know with Danny.  If he doesn't think brown can contribute any time soon and thinks guys like jerbko and Gerald green need minutes this season, who knows. 

We also still have too many people on our roster and there's a crazy rumor Ray Allen might consider coming here. lol.  If we need to free up roster spots people need to get cut or something needs to happen.

So hypothetically... Jaylen brown + Rozier + Young for Noel and the Lakers pick.  Who says no?

I think the Celtics do. Not because it couldn't be fair value, but there is a chance the Celtics end up getting hosed in that deal while it is less likely the 76ers do. If that Lakers pick doesn't convey this year (and it is probably 50/50 based on vegas win totals) then you are looking at getting the pick in 2018 after a season when Randle will be playing his 3rd season, Russel will be in his third season, Ingram will be in his second season and presumably they will have added a few average veterans in free agency. If those prospects turn out to be good you are looking at maybe the 13-17 pick (some of the current good teams like memphis will then be much worse and rebuilding).

So Noel and the 4th pick in 2017 would be solid value-wise
Noel and the 15th pick 2018 would be an awful trade value wise.

If anything the 76ers should work out a trade with the Lakers so the Lakers can control their own desity and pick and not have to deal with the protection nonsense. Maybe they would do Noel for Russell and their pick back.

[LarBrd33]

Yeah trading brown wouldn't make much sense, but you never know with Danny.  If he doesn't think brown can contribute any time soon and thinks guys like jerbko and Gerald green need minutes this season, who knows. 

We also still have too many people on our roster and there's a crazy rumor Ray Allen might consider coming here. lol.  If we need to free up roster spots people need to get cut or something needs to happen.

So hypothetically... Jaylen brown + Rozier + Young for Noel and the Lakers pick.  Who says no?

I think the Celtics do. Not because it couldn't be fair value, but there is a chance the Celtics end up getting hosed in that deal while it is less likely the 76ers do. If that Lakers pick doesn't convey this year (and it is probably 50/50 based on vegas win totals) then you are looking at getting the pick in 2018 after a season when Randle will be playing his 3rd season, Russel will be in his third season, Ingram will be in his second season and presumably they will have added a few average veterans in free agency. If those prospects turn out to be good you are looking at maybe the 13-17 pick (some of the current good teams like memphis will then be much worse and rebuilding).

So Noel and the 4th pick in 2017 would be solid value-wise
Noel and the 15th pick 2018 would be an awful trade value wise.

If anything the 76ers should work out a trade with the Lakers so the Lakers can control their own desity and pick and not have to deal with the protection nonsense. Maybe they would do Noel for Russell and their pick back.

Does your opinion change at all if we pretend Danny's plan would be to move the Lakers pick before the lottery as part of a package for a player of need?

[KG Living Legend]

Yeah trading brown wouldn't make much sense, but you never know with Danny.  If he doesn't think brown can contribute any time soon and thinks guys like jerbko and Gerald green need minutes this season, who knows. 

We also still have too many people on our roster and there's a crazy rumor Ray Allen might consider coming here. lol.  If we need to free up roster spots people need to get cut or something needs to happen.

So hypothetically... Jaylen brown + Rozier + Young for Noel and the Lakers pick.  Who says no?

 Celtics say no. We have a real shot at Noel with just cap space.

[mctyson]

I wonder how much Terry Rozier's trade value has been positively impacted by playing really well in D-League and being one of the three best players in all of SUmmer League.  While he's done nothing at all on the NBA level, he's showed signs on those levels that would suggest he might be a prospect worth acquiring.   That said, there's been plenty of players who tore up D-League and dominated SUmmer league, but couldn't make an impact on the NBA level.   

If like people here hope and Terry Rozier is one of the key pieces we include in a large package for Noel, that would be pretty interesting.  Seems like a pipe dream.  I still think Noel's got a chance to develop into a defensive player of the year candidate.  It would be amazing to get him.  I don't see any real rush for Philly to make a move unless Noel is demanding a trade and causing problems.

The Cs have a lot of pieces that could get Noel without giving up anyone in the top-7 of the rotation.  I would support that type of a trade.

[alldaboston]

The Lakers pick is top 3 protected again right? So we would be getting it this year. They won't be among the 3 worst teams.

[celticsclay]

The Lakers pick is top 3 protected again right? So we would be getting it this year. They won't be among the 3 worst teams.

I mean on paper they are right about 3rd worst. Nets are only team that is clearly worse on paper and, though I have not seen every team yet, I also believe they are projected for  3rd lowest win total in league. I think there is a good chance Deng and development from Russel and Randle and no Kobe pushes them into being a much more competitive team ( I actually definitely thought so like a month ago). However, I personally am just scared of having protected picks cause it seems like they get deferred forever.

[jambr380]

The Lakers pick is top 3 protected again right? So we would be getting it this year. They won't be among the 3 worst teams.

Yeah, they will be bad, but they didn't sign Mozgov and Deng (long term) just so they could be bottom three again. I agree they won't be great and maybe bad enough (bottom 6 or 7) to rise into the top 3 in the lottery, but they shouldn't have a bottom three record.

I also agree with waiting and going after Noel next year, although his cap hold with us would be much smaller with us allowing us other (but non-max) options. In any possible trade for a Philly big, we need to keep Brown, though.

[bogg]

If Philly makes the Lakers' pick available, then any trade you're making is primarily for that pick and Noel is almost filler. He's a useful defensive roleplayer, but he's getting paid next summer, at a time when Boston has their sights set on better players. I'm not giving up Brown for a non-star who might walk in a year, especially when there don't appear to be any (any other?) serious bidders for Noel, when Boston's the team in much better position to wait out the other.

EDIT: Also, the Lakers' pick is probably a toss-up to convey next year, as there's a decent chance they're the worst team in the West again, but that's not necessarily the worst thing, as this team could stand to continue to roll draft assets forward. Getting the 4th/5th pick in next years' draft would be ideal, but having the pick not convey would be okay too. To be clear, I don't think Philly makes it available in any trade the Celtics would consider.