Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time

[nickagneta]

Go back to Everett Nerlens, grab the family, put them up in a nice suburban home and play for the Celtics for a long long time.

[Ilikesports17]

According to Twitter he was at the drake concert last night. No idea if that's true or not.

[MBunge]

I know it's a minority opinion on this board, but I still would REALLY love to have Noel on the team. Assuming a trade would be something like Rozier, Young, and a pick, we might legit have a historic defense with a lineup of:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: Bradley, Green
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Horford, Amir, JJ
C: Noel, KO, Mickey

Are the 76ers in the business of giving away their players now?

Two mid-first round picks and another first?  Everyone is down on Young but Noel isn't going to bring back much more than that.

Mike

This proposal incudes an NBA bust, a SL star, and a pick (not the pick, if you catch my drift). In terms of actual NBA talent going to the 76ers, it is as close to zero as you can get. In terms of potential talent from picks, guys like Jiri Welsch and Mozgov fetched more.

The case in point is that if I were the 76ers and that's really all Noel could fetch, I'd be happy to keep him. They don't have to trade him.

The Sixers HAVE to trade someone.  They probably have to trade at least two of their current bigs.  And what are they offering if they put Noel on the block?  A guy who can't score, can't play power forward and has literally played only about 40 competitive games in the last two years and lost most of them.

Rozier, Young and a pick likely wouldn't be the best offer they get, but it would be close.  No one is giving up an all-star, multiple quality vets or multiple lottery picks for Noel.

Mike

[crimson_stallion]

I (and many others) have said this before, but the main issue with Noel is that this is the 3rd year of his rookie deal. He has two more years left, this year and next. After that he'll be a restricted free agent.

The question then becomes: Do you think Noel might be worth 25% of the salary cap when his rookie deal is through? Because that would be the max for a player of his experience, and it might be what you'd need to spend to retain him, or risk losing him for nothing.

Given all this, I wouldn't give up much for him, especially because you just signed a guy who's a prototypical new-age center (Horford).

Given the current salary landscape, I wouldn't worry too much. 

Pretty much every free agent with starter (or even fringe starter) talent is out there raking in max / borderline-max deals.  When you have 20+ teams with fat wallets, all fighting over the same 5-10 free agents, then you end up with a bidding way.  Overpaying is inevitable. 

At least in Noel's case (unlike with Westbrook / Griffin) he'd be restricted, which means the Celtics have flexibility.  If we want to keep him, we have the right to match all offers.  If we don't want to, then we have the power to pressure potential suitors into a S&T.  Either way we don't need to worry about the risk of him walking away for nothing.  That justifies giving up reasonable assets if need be.

Noel is likely never going to be a big star, but he's already one of the better defensive centers in the NBA.  If he came to Boston there's a chance me might be the best defensive player on the team from day one, and that's no mean feat given the defensive talent already on this roster. 

Then there is the future - at 22 years of age with his length, athleticim and natural defensive instincts...he has the potential to be a Dwight Howard / DeAndre Jordan / Kevin Garnett caliber defensive player.  IMHO a player with that type of defensive upside is worth taking a gambling on with a "post-rookie" max deal. 

Remember we would get two years of Noel before he'd even reach restricted FA, so that gives us two seasons to track his progress and see what happens.  After two seasons if he doesn't show substantial improvement, you can always cut your losses.  But if he starts flashing serious DPOTY potential, then you lock him up quick smart.

This would basically be like a corporate lease.  You get to drive the car for three years, and if you REALLY like it, you have the option to buy it at the end.  It's a pretty good position to be in to be honest.

[crimson_stallion]

I know it's a minority opinion on this board, but I still would REALLY love to have Noel on the team. Assuming a trade would be something like Rozier, Young, and a pick, we might legit have a historic defense with a lineup of:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: Bradley, Green
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Horford, Amir, JJ
C: Noel, KO, Mickey

Are the 76ers in the business of giving away their players now?

Two mid-first round picks and another first?  Everyone is down on Young but Noel isn't going to bring back much more than that.

Mike

This proposal incudes an NBA bust, a SL star, and a pick (not the pick, if you catch my drift). In terms of actual NBA talent going to the 76ers, it is as close to zero as you can get. In terms of potential talent from picks, guys like Jiri Welsch and Mozgov fetched more.

The case in point is that if I were the 76ers and that's really all Noel could fetch, I'd be happy to keep him. They don't have to trade him.

I think you are selling Rozier short.

So far, he has performed at every one of the (limited) opportunities he's been given.  He played very well in the SL last season, pretty much dominated the D-League, made significant contributions for us in the playoffs (despite being called in with minimal NBA experience), and then absolutely dominated the SL again this year.

By comparison if you look at guys like Young and Hunter - they've shown the odd flashes here and there, but they have been few and far between.

The only thing Rozier hasn't done is dominated in actual NBA games - but then it's not like he's had the opportunity, really.  It's not common to see a rookie, who has barely played all season long, get called up during the playoffs (when the pressure is at it's highest) and somehow find a way to contribute.  That's very impressive - more so then most give credit for.

Had he been on a team like Philly last year, where he could get real and consistent minutes, who knows what numbers he might have been putting up by the end of the year

Ainge made a comment at one point and said teams have been calling about Rozier and Mickey - I think Danny is well aware of Rozier's potential, and I think other teams out there are noticing it too. 

Rozier is young and has shown (in limited samples) that he can handle the ball and shoot the ball.  The 76ers need a player of that description pretty desperately, and Noel isn't that useful to a team that already has Okafor, Simmons and Embiid.  Pick up your PG in Rozier, take a gamble on Young, steal a decent first round pick - it's probably worth it for them if they can't find a better offer.

[kozlodoev]

I know it's a minority opinion on this board, but I still would REALLY love to have Noel on the team. Assuming a trade would be something like Rozier, Young, and a pick, we might legit have a historic defense with a lineup of:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: Bradley, Green
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Horford, Amir, JJ
C: Noel, KO, Mickey

Are the 76ers in the business of giving away their players now?

Two mid-first round picks and another first?  Everyone is down on Young but Noel isn't going to bring back much more than that.

Mike

This proposal incudes an NBA bust, a SL star, and a pick (not the pick, if you catch my drift). In terms of actual NBA talent going to the 76ers, it is as close to zero as you can get. In terms of potential talent from picks, guys like Jiri Welsch and Mozgov fetched more.

The case in point is that if I were the 76ers and that's really all Noel could fetch, I'd be happy to keep him. They don't have to trade him.

The Sixers HAVE to trade someone.  They probably have to trade at least two of their current bigs.  And what are they offering if they put Noel on the block?  A guy who can't score, can't play power forward and has literally played only about 40 competitive games in the last two years and lost most of them.

Rozier, Young and a pick likely wouldn't be the best offer they get, but it would be close.  No one is giving up an all-star, multiple quality vets or multiple lottery picks for Noel.

No, they don't. I'm not sure how you got up to 6, I assume you count Brand and Simmons? Either way, between Noel/Okafor/Embiid/Saric/Simmons, you have 3 guys that haven't played a minute in the NBA. I tend to not really count Simmons as a big, because they can at least attempt to put him at SF and see what they have in Embiid and Saric. I'm sure someone may be traded, but I see no pressure to do it before they figure out whether Saric is an NBA player and whether Embiid can stay in one piece.

[kraidstar]

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/nerlens-noel-open-to-trade-boston-celtics-are-interested

Noel is apparently "very open" to being traded but has not requested one yet. Celtics are "very interested" but have not made an offer.


"When asked by Sirius Radio as to whether he was comfortable going into the season with three centers (Noel, Jahlil Okafor and Joel Embiid), Colangelo replied, “Absolutely not.”

Colangelo added: “We're not going to make a bad deal just to make a deal. I think we can be a better basketball team if we can distribute that talent better. Maybe take one of those assets and address other needs on the roster. I think right now it's best to say we like all of them, we want to see if we can make the most out of each of them. At the end of the day, the reality says one has to go at some point but only when the deal is right." 

[hpantazo]

I think the Celtics are going to showcase Rozier early on this season and then use him to trade for Noel or Okafor or someone who can help the front court . I don't think we give up Bradley or Smart unless it's in a deal for a superstar , and Okafor or Noel are certainly not that.

[Moranis]

I (and many others) have said this before, but the main issue with Noel is that this is the 3rd year of his rookie deal. He has two more years left, this year and next. After that he'll be a restricted free agent.

The question then becomes: Do you think Noel might be worth 25% of the salary cap when his rookie deal is through? Because that would be the max for a player of his experience, and it might be what you'd need to spend to retain him, or risk losing him for nothing.

Given all this, I wouldn't give up much for him, especially because you just signed a guy who's a prototypical new-age center (Horford).

Given the current salary landscape, I wouldn't worry too much. 

Pretty much every free agent with starter (or even fringe starter) talent is out there raking in max / borderline-max deals.  When you have 20+ teams with fat wallets, all fighting over the same 5-10 free agents, then you end up with a bidding way.  Overpaying is inevitable. 

At least in Noel's case (unlike with Westbrook / Griffin) he'd be restricted, which means the Celtics have flexibility.  If we want to keep him, we have the right to match all offers.  If we don't want to, then we have the power to pressure potential suitors into a S&T.  Either way we don't need to worry about the risk of him walking away for nothing.  That justifies giving up reasonable assets if need be.

Noel is likely never going to be a big star, but he's already one of the better defensive centers in the NBA.  If he came to Boston there's a chance me might be the best defensive player on the team from day one, and that's no mean feat given the defensive talent already on this roster. 

Then there is the future - at 22 years of age with his length, athleticim and natural defensive instincts...he has the potential to be a Dwight Howard / DeAndre Jordan / Kevin Garnett caliber defensive player.  IMHO a player with that type of defensive upside is worth taking a gambling on with a "post-rookie" max deal. 

Remember we would get two years of Noel before he'd even reach restricted FA, so that gives us two seasons to track his progress and see what happens.  After two seasons if he doesn't show substantial improvement, you can always cut your losses.  But if he starts flashing serious DPOTY potential, then you lock him up quick smart.

This would basically be like a corporate lease.  You get to drive the car for three years, and if you REALLY like it, you have the option to buy it at the end.  It's a pretty good position to be in to be honest.

Noel is a restricted free agent next summer not two years

[otherdave]

I (and many others) have said this before, but the main issue with Noel is that this is the 3rd year of his rookie deal. He has two more years left, this year and next. After that he'll be a restricted free agent.

The question then becomes: Do you think Noel might be worth 25% of the salary cap when his rookie deal is through? Because that would be the max for a player of his experience, and it might be what you'd need to spend to retain him, or risk losing him for nothing.

Given all this, I wouldn't give up much for him, especially because you just signed a guy who's a prototypical new-age center (Horford).

Given the current salary landscape, I wouldn't worry too much. 

Pretty much every free agent with starter (or even fringe starter) talent is out there raking in max / borderline-max deals.  When you have 20+ teams with fat wallets, all fighting over the same 5-10 free agents, then you end up with a bidding way.  Overpaying is inevitable. 

At least in Noel's case (unlike with Westbrook / Griffin) he'd be restricted, which means the Celtics have flexibility.  If we want to keep him, we have the right to match all offers.  If we don't want to, then we have the power to pressure potential suitors into a S&T.  Either way we don't need to worry about the risk of him walking away for nothing.  That justifies giving up reasonable assets if need be.

Noel is likely never going to be a big star, but he's already one of the better defensive centers in the NBA.  If he came to Boston there's a chance me might be the best defensive player on the team from day one, and that's no mean feat given the defensive talent already on this roster. 

Then there is the future - at 22 years of age with his length, athleticim and natural defensive instincts...he has the potential to be a Dwight Howard / DeAndre Jordan / Kevin Garnett caliber defensive player.  IMHO a player with that type of defensive upside is worth taking a gambling on with a "post-rookie" max deal. 

Remember we would get two years of Noel before he'd even reach restricted FA, so that gives us two seasons to track his progress and see what happens.  After two seasons if he doesn't show substantial improvement, you can always cut your losses.  But if he starts flashing serious DPOTY potential, then you lock him up quick smart.

This would basically be like a corporate lease.  You get to drive the car for three years, and if you REALLY like it, you have the option to buy it at the end.  It's a pretty good position to be in to be honest.

Noel becomes a restricted FA after the 2016 - 2017 season, so we would only have one season before risk of losing him or paying him big $ using cap space.  This one year rental possibility is another reason for not giving up too much to get him.

[Diggles]

Say Rudy Gay can be had for a bag of peanuts....   And Sac wants someone to spread the floor.  Enter in Kelly.   We toss in a 1st (Clippers)   

Ship Gay to Phili along with two seconds we have.   Also through in Young, RJ and non guarantee of Holland.   

We ship out 3 picks, KO and the glut of underachieving SG we have.  Sac gets a passing big man to put next to their Franchise.  Phil gets better.   Can put out a competitive small ball line up to...

Bayless
Gay
Covington
Simmons
Embid/Noel


 
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j5ylzbw

[hpantazo]

I (and many others) have said this before, but the main issue with Noel is that this is the 3rd year of his rookie deal. He has two more years left, this year and next. After that he'll be a restricted free agent.

The question then becomes: Do you think Noel might be worth 25% of the salary cap when his rookie deal is through? Because that would be the max for a player of his experience, and it might be what you'd need to spend to retain him, or risk losing him for nothing.

Given all this, I wouldn't give up much for him, especially because you just signed a guy who's a prototypical new-age center (Horford).

Given the current salary landscape, I wouldn't worry too much. 

Pretty much every free agent with starter (or even fringe starter) talent is out there raking in max / borderline-max deals.  When you have 20+ teams with fat wallets, all fighting over the same 5-10 free agents, then you end up with a bidding way.  Overpaying is inevitable. 

At least in Noel's case (unlike with Westbrook / Griffin) he'd be restricted, which means the Celtics have flexibility.  If we want to keep him, we have the right to match all offers.  If we don't want to, then we have the power to pressure potential suitors into a S&T.  Either way we don't need to worry about the risk of him walking away for nothing.  That justifies giving up reasonable assets if need be.

Noel is likely never going to be a big star, but he's already one of the better defensive centers in the NBA.  If he came to Boston there's a chance me might be the best defensive player on the team from day one, and that's no mean feat given the defensive talent already on this roster. 

Then there is the future - at 22 years of age with his length, athleticim and natural defensive instincts...he has the potential to be a Dwight Howard / DeAndre Jordan / Kevin Garnett caliber defensive player.  IMHO a player with that type of defensive upside is worth taking a gambling on with a "post-rookie" max deal. 

Remember we would get two years of Noel before he'd even reach restricted FA, so that gives us two seasons to track his progress and see what happens.  After two seasons if he doesn't show substantial improvement, you can always cut your losses.  But if he starts flashing serious DPOTY potential, then you lock him up quick smart.

This would basically be like a corporate lease.  You get to drive the car for three years, and if you REALLY like it, you have the option to buy it at the end.  It's a pretty good position to be in to be honest.

Noel becomes a restricted FA after the 2016 - 2017 season, so we would only have one season before risk of losing him or paying him big $ using cap space.  This one year rental possibility is another reason for not giving up too much to get him.

Yes , and that's why the "Phili doesn't have to trade anyone" line is bs GM speak. The clock is ticking for them. If they don't trade Noel soon, they will have to either match a huge contract offer this summer or let him walk for nothing. In the meantime Embiid's next deal is coming up soon after , and Embiid, Noel, Okafor, Saric will all want chances to showcase their talents this season for future contracts, and there will not be playing time and shots for all of them. One or more will eventually publicly demand trades if they all start the season on the same roster.

[otherdave]

Gay, Kelly, Okafor...?    This seems like it belongs to a different thread.

[Irish Stew]

I like Noel too but he will cost us $20+ million to retain at the end of 2016-2017. Combined with Horford we would be spending over $50 million/year at the 4 and 5, half our cap space, for two players who are very good but not great and play the two least important positions in the modern NBA game. Noel would severely hamper our ability to sign players like Hayward or trade for Westbrook. Okafor just makes more cap sense at $5 or 6 million/year for the next three seasons. He brings scoring instead of defense and rebounding, but we can certainly use someone who can create easy offense.

[JohnBoy65]

If you guys REALLY want to overreact, go to google and search Noel. Look at what the short blurb at the top says