Wyc Grousbeck: No trade coming soon but asking prices have come down since draft

[Ogaju]

Fireworks so much cheaper after the 4th of July.

Haha TP!!

[ashanm10]

More lies by Wyc.

Y'all better not besmirch the Wyc.

I like to call him "Fireworks" Wyc.

TP

[hwangjini_1]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

If the players werent in the room when these things were discussed, why would it matter who was at the meeting. The players didnt hear it. For all you know a trade was discussed where Olynyk, Smart or Crowder would need to be moved in order for a particular trade to happen. Smart and Crowder have been linked to rumors for Butler and Okafor

Because it's incredibly disrespectful to the guys who showed up to immediately say "hey by the way, we're willing to trade one of those guys if you want".

Trades likely centered on draft picks, young prospects - and unfortunately, the one guy who wasn't there - Avery Bradley's 8.3 mil.

Neither here nor there though.  At this point, our roster is what it is.  We should have a nice 50-55 win also-ran.  Far better off just hanging onto the young guys and hoping they develop in a winning system so that a decade from now when Golden State is done collecting jewelry, we can try to compete with the Towns, Simmons and Embiids of the world.

Meh, I dont think Bradley not showing up correlates definitively that thats why he wasnt there. Avery had a previous comittment. That is known. Thats most likely the reason he wasnt at the meeting, though you coukd be right. But so could I.

Cool... maybe after Thomas and Crowder left the room, we pitched the idea of trading them away. 

I'm sure that would have reflected really well on us.  We spend a bunch of effort to bring those guys along, give them time to talk to Durant privately, pitch the way Durant would fit with these guys... then dismiss them and say, "Ok, here's who we can get if we trade those dudes away". 

Heh.

If such talk took place, perhaps the focus was on whom would be acquired and NOT on whom would be on an outgoing flight. It would have been unwise and disrespectful to mention any current Celtics player by name, and I am sure Ainge said as much.

[chambers]

For everyone asking Wyc to stop talking- he's the boss and can say what he wants so get used to it.

But the truth is that Wyc is attempting to drive the price down of *probably* Okafor.

Even if he isn't a difficult player, public perception matters a lot in trade value and Wyc is just negotiating in public.

[mmmmm]

Wyc said on 98.5 that C's were talking about a trade for a "difficult" player because the price on him has went down since Draft night.


Okafor? Can't be Cousins....can it?

It seems like Okafor's price is already really low. It seems like a mid first pick and a filler vet gets it done.

If that were the asking price, he'd already been traded...

I am not sure how you have any of knowing that. The Celtics asked for a lakers pick that projects for the high lottery along with Okafor/Noel for the number 3 pick. It has been widely reported that Okafor has less value than Noel. I honestly think if the 76ers were offered the 13th pick and someone like sessons, courtney lee or a tiny bit better they would do the trade. They want to get rid of him.

I'm not sure how we have any way of knowing the assertions you just stated, either.  We have no idea what the Celtics asked for or what was offered.  Rumors being "widely reported" mean squat.

I guess. I don't think all these reporters just randomly make up the fact that nobody wanted to trade a top 6 pick for Okafor or Noel. Why would they do that?

It only takes one 'source' to make up a trade rumor.  The rest just regurgitate it.

And however honest most reporters may or may be, most of the 'sources' are probably leaks put out by GMs on purpose.

I would put pretty much zero faith in any single trade rumor being true until it turns out to actually, factually be true.

We don't know what the Sixers were asking for Okafor or Noel.  We don't know what Danny was offering.  All anybody is doing is speculating wildly.

[nickagneta]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

If the players werent in the room when these things were discussed, why would it matter who was at the meeting. The players didnt hear it. For all you know a trade was discussed where Olynyk, Smart or Crowder would need to be moved in order for a particular trade to happen. Smart and Crowder have been linked to rumors for Butler and Okafor

Because it's incredibly disrespectful to the guys who showed up to immediately say "hey by the way, we're willing to trade one of those guys if you want".

Trades likely centered on draft picks, young prospects - and unfortunately, the one guy who wasn't there - Avery Bradley's 8.3 mil.

Neither here nor there though.  At this point, our roster is what it is.  We should have a nice 50-55 win also-ran.  Far better off just hanging onto the young guys and hoping they develop in a winning system so that a decade from now when Golden State is done collecting jewelry, we can try to compete with the Towns, Simmons and Embiids of the world.

Meh, I dont think Bradley not showing up correlates definitively that thats why he wasnt there. Avery had a previous comittment. That is known. Thats most likely the reason he wasnt at the meeting, though you coukd be right. But so could I.

Cool... maybe after Thomas and Crowder left the room, we pitched the idea of trading them away. 

I'm sure that would have reflected really well on us.  We spend a bunch of effort to bring those guys along, give them time to talk to Durant privately, pitch the way Durant would fit with these guys... then dismiss them and say, "Ok, here's who we can get if we trade those dudes away". 

Heh.

If such talk took place, perhaps the focus was on whom would be acquired and NOT on whom would be on an outgoing flight. It would have been unwise and disrespectful to mention any current Celtics player by name, and I am sure Ainge said as much.

Exactly. The idea that the reason that Bradley wasnt included was because he would be discussed makes no sense because, yes, he might have to go in a trade for a possible star but so could any of the players in the other room. If the Celtics arent going to discuss the details of a trade in which Smart, Olynyk, IT and Crowder would be a part of because they were there, why would they disrespect Bradley by mentioning his name when that could just as easily get back to Bradley.

Bradley had a previous engagement, thats why he wasnt there.

[mmmmm]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

My understanding is that Avery and Durant are pretty good friends (via U of Texas connection).  I wonder if maybe it would have been better to have made sure to have Avery there at the recruiting party.

[chambers]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

If the players werent in the room when these things were discussed, why would it matter who was at the meeting. The players didnt hear it. For all you know a trade was discussed where Olynyk, Smart or Crowder would need to be moved in order for a particular trade to happen. Smart and Crowder have been linked to rumors for Butler and Okafor

Because it's incredibly disrespectful to the guys who showed up to immediately say "hey by the way, we're willing to trade one of those guys if you want".

Trades likely centered on draft picks, young prospects - and unfortunately, the one guy who wasn't there - Avery Bradley's 8.3 mil.

Neither here nor there though.  At this point, our roster is what it is.  We should have a nice 50-55 win also-ran.  Far better off just hanging onto the young guys and hoping they develop in a winning system so that a decade from now when Golden State is done collecting jewelry, we can try to compete with the Towns, Simmons and Embiids of the world.

Meh, I dont think Bradley not showing up correlates definitively that thats why he wasnt there. Avery had a previous comittment. That is known. Thats most likely the reason he wasnt at the meeting, though you coukd be right. But so could I.

Cool... maybe after Thomas and Crowder left the room, we pitched the idea of trading them away. 

I'm sure that would have reflected really well on us.  We spend a bunch of effort to bring those guys along, give them time to talk to Durant privately, pitch the way Durant would fit with these guys... then dismiss them and say, "Ok, here's who we can get if we trade those dudes away". 

Heh.

If such talk took place, perhaps the focus was on whom would be acquired and NOT on whom would be on an outgoing flight. It would have been unwise and disrespectful to mention any current Celtics player by name, and I am sure Ainge said as much.

TP for sound logic.

[Eja117]

More lies by Wyc.

And I await The proof that backs up this accusation.

And I await the proof that refutes it.

[LarBrd33]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

If the players werent in the room when these things were discussed, why would it matter who was at the meeting. The players didnt hear it. For all you know a trade was discussed where Olynyk, Smart or Crowder would need to be moved in order for a particular trade to happen. Smart and Crowder have been linked to rumors for Butler and Okafor

Because it's incredibly disrespectful to the guys who showed up to immediately say "hey by the way, we're willing to trade one of those guys if you want".

Trades likely centered on draft picks, young prospects - and unfortunately, the one guy who wasn't there - Avery Bradley's 8.3 mil.

Neither here nor there though.  At this point, our roster is what it is.  We should have a nice 50-55 win also-ran.  Far better off just hanging onto the young guys and hoping they develop in a winning system so that a decade from now when Golden State is done collecting jewelry, we can try to compete with the Towns, Simmons and Embiids of the world.

Meh, I dont think Bradley not showing up correlates definitively that thats why he wasnt there. Avery had a previous comittment. That is known. Thats most likely the reason he wasnt at the meeting, though you coukd be right. But so could I.

Cool... maybe after Thomas and Crowder left the room, we pitched the idea of trading them away. 

I'm sure that would have reflected really well on us.  We spend a bunch of effort to bring those guys along, give them time to talk to Durant privately, pitch the way Durant would fit with these guys... then dismiss them and say, "Ok, here's who we can get if we trade those dudes away". 

Heh.

If such talk took place, perhaps the focus was on whom would be acquired and NOT on whom would be on an outgoing flight. It would have been unwise and disrespectful to mention any current Celtics player by name, and I am sure Ainge said as much.

Nope.  You can't discuss who we can acquire without discussing who would be required to trade.  It would be in-genuine otherwise.  You can't say "Hey we can add Cousins! - and then in hushed whispers say "at the cost of every player and pick on our team".  That's why both Ainge and Wyc have made a point to say that Durant was interesting in playing with these guys.  Part of the appeal for Boston was joining with Thomas, Crowder, Olynyk and Smart.  They couldn't say "Oh hey we can acquire Jimmy Butler if you want" and not mention that it was going to take Bradley + Crowder + Smart + the #3 pick.

Wyc's comments suggest Durant was aware of what the cost would be.   Wyc confirms that they did indeed talk to him about trade possibilities.  You can't discuss that without discussing cost. 

Luckily, Boston was in position to add Durant + Horford and still have a compelling offer to make for an available impact player should one become available - thought it goes without saying it would cost multiple draft picks and prospects - and unfortunately in that scenario at least one of Thomas, Bradley or Crowder.  Not at all possible to do it financially otherwise.  My guess is any such hypothetical would have involved Bradley's 8.3 million dollar contract.  My guess is such a reality was communicated to Durant and his people.  My guess is Bradley himself was aware of that - which is why he just stuck around at his basketball camp and made zero public comments about wanting Durant here.   And look, it's totally possible that during their discussion about trade possibilities Ainge even explained that the team preferred keeping Bradley, but that if they were going to make a move this year - his contract would be a necessary sacrifice.  And perhaps Durant nodded and said, "Yeah I'd prefer playing with Bradley than going down that route" and Ainge nodded back. 

Good news for those defensive of Bradley - it's irrelevant now.  With Durant gone, we're not adding another max contract player.  That means we have brought back Amir and Jerbeko and their contracts will be the financial crux of any potential major trade.

[mctyson]

 Real talk. Wyc needs to shut his mouth. I'm sick of hearing from him, and he talks to much.

You should feel lucky to have an ownership group head by a guy like him.

[Bobshot]

I'd take Okafor if the price was higher for Noel. Okafor could actually have more upside. He's younger, more controllable and can shoot.

[mmmmm]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

If the players werent in the room when these things were discussed, why would it matter who was at the meeting. The players didnt hear it. For all you know a trade was discussed where Olynyk, Smart or Crowder would need to be moved in order for a particular trade to happen. Smart and Crowder have been linked to rumors for Butler and Okafor

Because it's incredibly disrespectful to the guys who showed up to immediately say "hey by the way, we're willing to trade one of those guys if you want".

Trades likely centered on draft picks, young prospects - and unfortunately, the one guy who wasn't there - Avery Bradley's 8.3 mil.

Neither here nor there though.  At this point, our roster is what it is.  We should have a nice 50-55 win also-ran.  Far better off just hanging onto the young guys and hoping they develop in a winning system so that a decade from now when Golden State is done collecting jewelry, we can try to compete with the Towns, Simmons and Embiids of the world.

Meh, I dont think Bradley not showing up correlates definitively that thats why he wasnt there. Avery had a previous comittment. That is known. Thats most likely the reason he wasnt at the meeting, though you coukd be right. But so could I.

Cool... maybe after Thomas and Crowder left the room, we pitched the idea of trading them away. 

I'm sure that would have reflected really well on us.  We spend a bunch of effort to bring those guys along, give them time to talk to Durant privately, pitch the way Durant would fit with these guys... then dismiss them and say, "Ok, here's who we can get if we trade those dudes away". 

Heh.

If such talk took place, perhaps the focus was on whom would be acquired and NOT on whom would be on an outgoing flight. It would have been unwise and disrespectful to mention any current Celtics player by name, and I am sure Ainge said as much.

Nope.  You can't discuss who we can acquire without discussing who would be required to trade.  It would be in-genuine otherwise.  You can't say "Hey we can add Cousins! - and then in hushed whispers say "at the cost of every player and pick on our team".  That's why both Ainge and Wyc have made a point to say that Durant was interesting in playing with these guys.  Part of the appeal for Boston was joining with Thomas, Crowder, Olynyk and Smart.  They couldn't say "Oh hey we can acquire Jimmy Butler if you want" and not mention that it was going to take Bradley + Crowder + Smart + the #3 pick.

Wyc's comments suggest Durant was aware of what the cost would be.   Wyc confirms that they did indeed talk to him about trade possibilities.  You can't discuss that without discussing cost. 

Luckily, Boston was in position to add Durant + Horford and still have a compelling offer to make for an available impact player should one become available - thought it goes without saying it would cost multiple draft picks and prospects - and unfortunately in that scenario at least one of Thomas, Bradley or Crowder.  Not at all possible to do it financially otherwise.  My guess is any such hypothetical would have involved Bradley's 8.3 million dollar contract.  My guess is such a reality was communicated to Durant and his people.  My guess is Bradley himself was aware of that - which is why he just stuck around at his basketball camp and made zero public comments about wanting Durant here.

Good god.  Classic LarBrd33.

[nickagneta]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

If the players werent in the room when these things were discussed, why would it matter who was at the meeting. The players didnt hear it. For all you know a trade was discussed where Olynyk, Smart or Crowder would need to be moved in order for a particular trade to happen. Smart and Crowder have been linked to rumors for Butler and Okafor

Because it's incredibly disrespectful to the guys who showed up to immediately say "hey by the way, we're willing to trade one of those guys if you want".

Trades likely centered on draft picks, young prospects - and unfortunately, the one guy who wasn't there - Avery Bradley's 8.3 mil.

Neither here nor there though.  At this point, our roster is what it is.  We should have a nice 50-55 win also-ran.  Far better off just hanging onto the young guys and hoping they develop in a winning system so that a decade from now when Golden State is done collecting jewelry, we can try to compete with the Towns, Simmons and Embiids of the world.

Meh, I dont think Bradley not showing up correlates definitively that thats why he wasnt there. Avery had a previous comittment. That is known. Thats most likely the reason he wasnt at the meeting, though you coukd be right. But so could I.

Cool... maybe after Thomas and Crowder left the room, we pitched the idea of trading them away. 

I'm sure that would have reflected really well on us.  We spend a bunch of effort to bring those guys along, give them time to talk to Durant privately, pitch the way Durant would fit with these guys... then dismiss them and say, "Ok, here's who we can get if we trade those dudes away". 

Heh.

If such talk took place, perhaps the focus was on whom would be acquired and NOT on whom would be on an outgoing flight. It would have been unwise and disrespectful to mention any current Celtics player by name, and I am sure Ainge said as much.

Nope.  You can't discuss who we can acquire without discussing who would be required to trade.  It would be in-genuine otherwise.  You can't say "Hey we can add Cousins! - and then in hushed whispers say "at the cost of every player and pick on our team".  That's why both Ainge and Wyc have made a point to say that Durant was interesting in playing with these guys.  Part of the appeal for Boston was joining with Thomas, Crowder, Olynyk and Smart.  They couldn't say "Oh hey we can acquire Jimmy Butler if you want" and not mention that it was going to take Bradley + Crowder + Smart + the #3 pick.

Wyc's comments suggest Durant was aware of what the cost would be.   Wyc confirms that they did indeed talk to him about trade possibilities.  You can't discuss that without discussing cost. 

Luckily, Boston was in position to add Durant + Horford and still have a compelling offer to make for an available impact player should one become available - thought it goes without saying it would cost multiple draft picks and prospects - and unfortunately in that scenario at least one of Thomas, Bradley or Crowder.  Not at all possible to do it financially otherwise.  My guess is any such hypothetical would have involved Bradley's 8.3 million dollar contract.  My guess is such a reality was communicated to Durant and his people.  My guess is Bradley himself was aware of that - which is why he just stuck around at his basketball camp and made zero public comments about wanting Durant here.

Good god.  Classic LarBrd33.

TP mmmmm. I regret even starting the conversation.

[meangreenmachine]

If we could somehow pull off trades that get us Middleton and Cousins while only losing most of our draft picks the next three years, Bradley, Johnson, Olynyk, Jerebko, Young, Hunter, ... That would be amazing and put us right up there with the Spurs, Clippers and Cavs

Starters: Thomas, Smart, Middleton, Horford, Cousins
6th Man: Crowder
Bench: Brown, Rozier, Mickey, Zizic, Yabasule, Bentil, Vet Min Center, Jackson, Vet Min PF/SF