Wyc Grousbeck: No trade coming soon but asking prices have come down since draft

[The One]

More lies by Wyc.

Y'all better not besmirch the Wyc.

[mef730]

I wish wyc would stop talking

Even if it's the truth

Second that.

Third that .....SMH

Same.

Same.

Wyc, when you're that deep in the hole, you need to put down the shovel.

Mike

[LarBrd33]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

[Rosco917]

I'm not a big fan of Okafor, but he would pair well with Al Horford. Al would teach him to be a pro, teach him better D, and cover his axx should he not defend well.

Okafor would give us a real low post threat, when we go big, and Al could play the 5 when we go small.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

Other than these conversations occurred once the recruiting party was out of the meeting.

[nickagneta]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

If the players werent in the room when these things were discussed, why would it matter who was at the meeting. The players didnt hear it. For all you know a trade was discussed where Olynyk, Smart or Crowder would need to be moved in order for a particular trade to happen. Smart and Crowder have been linked to rumors for Butler and Okafor

[LarBrd33]

Okafor or Noel make the most sense as guys whose trade value would have gone down since the draft.

Doubt it.  All he said is that draft night is the worst time to make a trade and that they were discussing trades today and someone's asking price had gone down.  Could be Taj Gibson for all we know.  Danilo Gallinari.  Who knows.   

I actually think based on the moves Philly has made this offseason and how Simmons looks, they probably have less urgency to trade Okafor or Noel than they did on Draft night.

[LarBrd33]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

If the players werent in the room when these things were discussed, why would it matter who was at the meeting. The players didnt hear it. For all you know a trade was discussed where Olynyk, Smart or Crowder would need to be moved in order for a particular trade to happen. Smart and Crowder have been linked to rumors for Butler and Okafor

Because it's incredibly disrespectful to the guys who showed up to immediately say "hey by the way, we're willing to trade one of those guys if you want".

Trades likely centered on draft picks, young prospects - and unfortunately, the one guy who wasn't there - Avery Bradley's 8.3 mil.

Neither here nor there though.  At this point, our roster is what it is.  We should have a nice 50-55 win also-ran.  Far better off just hanging onto the young guys and hoping they develop in a winning system so that a decade from now when Golden State is done collecting jewelry, we can try to compete with the Towns, Simmons and Embiids of the world.

[trickybilly]

I wish wyc would stop talking

Even if it's the truth

Second that.

Third that .....SMH

Same.

Same.

Wyc, when you're that deep in the hole, you need to put down the shovel.

Mike

Zipple.

[LarBrd33]

If you guys want something to read into, read into Wyc's summation of this team. 

"I tell you one thing... 3 years ago, almost today, in 2013 Doc had just left and then we, as they said on NBA.com "The Celtics have completed the DEMOLITION of their 2008 Championship team by trading Pierce and Garnett"... so three years ago we were probably looking at a lost decade.  Could easily be looking at 10 years in the darkness. Now we're 3 years in we've got Brad, we've got Isaiah - who's an allstar, we've got Al Horford - who's a mult-time all-star, and we've got guys like Smart and Olynyk and Jae Crowder, and we've got all our picks going forward plus three more picks from other guys, and room for a full max next year... and we won 48 games.  So we're three years in, on the way up.  I think we're going in the right direction..."

Who is the one guy he doesn't mention?  How about 1st Team All-Defense Avery Bradley?   I'm sure it was just an oversight, but maybe not.

Had we landed Durant, any trade for a star would have had to involved Avery Bradley's contract.  But of course, with Durant out of the picture we don't actually need to move Bradley anymore.  We could just combine the contracts of Amir + Jerebko + several picks/prospects to land a guy like Middleton without moving Bradley. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

If the players werent in the room when these things were discussed, why would it matter who was at the meeting. The players didnt hear it. For all you know a trade was discussed where Olynyk, Smart or Crowder would need to be moved in order for a particular trade to happen. Smart and Crowder have been linked to rumors for Butler and Okafor

Because it's incredibly disrespectful to the guys who showed up to immediately say "hey by the way, we're willing to trade one of those guys if you want".

Trades likely centered on draft picks, young prospects - and unfortunately, the one guy who wasn't there - Avery Bradley's 8.3 mil.

Neither here nor there though.  At this point, our roster is what it is.  We should have a nice 50-55 win also-ran.  Far better off just hanging onto the young guys and hoping they develop in a winning system so that a decade from now when Golden State is done collecting jewelry, we can try to compete with the Towns, Simmons and Embiids of the world.

Not sure WHY you're swearing by this stance, particularly doubling down on that the only trades that were explored were for players not on the meeting.

Sorry, but this is not even worth arguing about. I'll move along I guess. Just very curious on your adamancy that you're correct in this particular notion which seems quite far fetched as it is.

[LarBrd33]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

If the players werent in the room when these things were discussed, why would it matter who was at the meeting. The players didnt hear it. For all you know a trade was discussed where Olynyk, Smart or Crowder would need to be moved in order for a particular trade to happen. Smart and Crowder have been linked to rumors for Butler and Okafor

Because it's incredibly disrespectful to the guys who showed up to immediately say "hey by the way, we're willing to trade one of those guys if you want".

Trades likely centered on draft picks, young prospects - and unfortunately, the one guy who wasn't there - Avery Bradley's 8.3 mil.

Neither here nor there though.  At this point, our roster is what it is.  We should have a nice 50-55 win also-ran.  Far better off just hanging onto the young guys and hoping they develop in a winning system so that a decade from now when Golden State is done collecting jewelry, we can try to compete with the Towns, Simmons and Embiids of the world.

Not sure WHY you're swearing by this stance, particularly doubling down on that the only trades that were explored were for players not on the meeting.

Sorry, but this is not even worth arguing about. I'll move along I guess. Just very curious on your adamancy that you're correct in this particular notion which seems quite far fetched as it is.

Because it's a simple fact.  If Boston had signed Durant, the only way they could have made a trade for another impact star is by moving Thomas, Crowder or Bradley.  No point in having Bradley help in the recruiting if part of the pitch was about available trades (which it was). 

At this point, doesn't matter though.  Durant didn't sign here.  We could swing a trade for an impact player without moving the contracts of Thomas, Crowder or Bradley.  So it's irrelevant now.

[nickagneta]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

If the players werent in the room when these things were discussed, why would it matter who was at the meeting. The players didnt hear it. For all you know a trade was discussed where Olynyk, Smart or Crowder would need to be moved in order for a particular trade to happen. Smart and Crowder have been linked to rumors for Butler and Okafor

Because it's incredibly disrespectful to the guys who showed up to immediately say "hey by the way, we're willing to trade one of those guys if you want".

Trades likely centered on draft picks, young prospects - and unfortunately, the one guy who wasn't there - Avery Bradley's 8.3 mil.

Neither here nor there though.  At this point, our roster is what it is.  We should have a nice 50-55 win also-ran.  Far better off just hanging onto the young guys and hoping they develop in a winning system so that a decade from now when Golden State is done collecting jewelry, we can try to compete with the Towns, Simmons and Embiids of the world.

Meh, I dont think Bradley not showing up correlates definitively that thats why he wasnt there. Avery had a previous comittment. That is known. Thats most likely the reason he wasnt at the meeting, though you coukd be right. But so could I.

[hodgy03038]

More lies by Wyc.

Y'all better not besmirch the Wyc.

I like to call him "Fireworks" Wyc.

[LarBrd33]

Listened to it.  The biggest thing he said was a confirmation that the team (likely after the players had left and it was just management and Durant's people) went over possible trades that were on the table.  Guys the team thought they could get.  Guys that were available.

That confirms what I have been expecting for months - that it made jack squat to overpay for an available player until you first talked to Durant.  Don't give up a boatload of assets for a specific player unless KD signs off on it.   Glad that's the approach we took.

It also kind of confirms for me why Avery Bradley wasn't part of the recruiting party.  I know he had a basketball game he was participating in, but beyond that - you can't pitch to Durant the idea of making "tweaks" when any necessary tweak would have required moving Bradley.

If the players werent in the room when these things were discussed, why would it matter who was at the meeting. The players didnt hear it. For all you know a trade was discussed where Olynyk, Smart or Crowder would need to be moved in order for a particular trade to happen. Smart and Crowder have been linked to rumors for Butler and Okafor

Because it's incredibly disrespectful to the guys who showed up to immediately say "hey by the way, we're willing to trade one of those guys if you want".

Trades likely centered on draft picks, young prospects - and unfortunately, the one guy who wasn't there - Avery Bradley's 8.3 mil.

Neither here nor there though.  At this point, our roster is what it is.  We should have a nice 50-55 win also-ran.  Far better off just hanging onto the young guys and hoping they develop in a winning system so that a decade from now when Golden State is done collecting jewelry, we can try to compete with the Towns, Simmons and Embiids of the world.

Meh, I dont think Bradley not showing up correlates definitively that thats why he wasnt there. Avery had a previous comittment. That is known. Thats most likely the reason he wasnt at the meeting, though you coukd be right. But so could I.

Cool... maybe after Thomas and Crowder left the room, we pitched the idea of trading them away. 

I'm sure that would have reflected really well on us.  We spend a bunch of effort to bring those guys along, give them time to talk to Durant privately, pitch the way Durant would fit with these guys... then dismiss them and say, "Ok, here's who we can get if we trade those dudes away". 

Heh.