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Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #90 on: June 07, 2016, 11:47:03 AM »

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Posted this on the main Love forum but it is dying down. Curious on others take on my thoughts.

Rumors already speculating that he is as good as gone (assuming Cleveland doesn't pull a miraculous comeback somehow).

I honestly feel folks are in denial if they feel Ainge wouldn't make a play for Love in trade. Ainge has always wanted Love, now he can potentially be had.

I think the #3 and Bradley gets him. Cavs can flip the #3 or include a third team to get it done.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind it. I don't see anybody better than Love at #3 and by trading Bradley gives the opportunity to further develop Smart and RJ.

The only reason I don't do this trade is if we can get Butler for a similar package.

Assume we trade for Love, I think the next logical move is to sign Horford (assuming we can). Of course we let Sully, JJ and Amir walk (hopefully we can resign Turner).

Horford/KO
Love/Mickey
Crowder/ET
Smart/RJ
IT/Rozier

This solves almost all our issues from last season. We get our post threat in Horford and our outside shooting threat in Love. I know people are down on Love but honestly I think he's a product of a poor system, and being the third option on a uncoached team. A shooter needs shots and Love simply isn't getting them in Cleveland. I agree he is a below average defender, but I think CBS can get the most out of him defensively.. also a combination of Smart/Crowder and Horford more than compensate for his defensive inefficiencies... not to mention Mickey will come in as a change of pace guy on the defensive end at the 4.
Also, I have said it time and time again.. I strongly feel Love and IT would be deadly on the pick and roll.

I think if the offer presents itself it is a no brainer for the Celtics. I think it makes us a top 2 team in the East, especially with Toronto likely losing Derozan.. would it make us better than Cleveland? I think it all depends on how the players gel together.

I do like that team, and it would lay a solid foundation for free agents in 2017, e.g. Durant, Hayward, etc.

But I don't think that Cleveland would have an interest in the third pick. They need talent now, and unless they're going to flip the number three pick for other vet talent, I don't think they'd have use for it with this current team. I think they start off by asking for Bradley and Crowder, which Danny laughs at. I would bet it would end up with something like Crowder and Amir plus some later picks for Love, or they'd revisit the three-way trade with New York and Melo.
I live in Cleveland, some of my friends will be happy with JUST Bradley or Crowder for Love.

Interesting. You'd almost have to do it in that case.  I'd almost rather give Crowder, though, because you could keep your KD dreams alive in that case.

? Doubt crowder objects to being KDs understudy. Or do you mean something else?

I was meaning upgrading our 4 and 5, because I doubt Durant would come here to play a small-ball 4. If we signed Durant and Horford with capspace, then traded for Love afterwards, you'd be able to have all three in the frontcourt.
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Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #91 on: June 07, 2016, 11:49:18 AM »

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Posted this on the main Love forum but it is dying down. Curious on others take on my thoughts.

Rumors already speculating that he is as good as gone (assuming Cleveland doesn't pull a miraculous comeback somehow).

I honestly feel folks are in denial if they feel Ainge wouldn't make a play for Love in trade. Ainge has always wanted Love, now he can potentially be had.

I think the #3 and Bradley gets him. Cavs can flip the #3 or include a third team to get it done.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind it. I don't see anybody better than Love at #3 and by trading Bradley gives the opportunity to further develop Smart and RJ.

The only reason I don't do this trade is if we can get Butler for a similar package.

Assume we trade for Love, I think the next logical move is to sign Horford (assuming we can). Of course we let Sully, JJ and Amir walk (hopefully we can resign Turner).

Horford/KO
Love/Mickey
Crowder/ET
Smart/RJ
IT/Rozier

This solves almost all our issues from last season. We get our post threat in Horford and our outside shooting threat in Love. I know people are down on Love but honestly I think he's a product of a poor system, and being the third option on a uncoached team. A shooter needs shots and Love simply isn't getting them in Cleveland. I agree he is a below average defender, but I think CBS can get the most out of him defensively.. also a combination of Smart/Crowder and Horford more than compensate for his defensive inefficiencies... not to mention Mickey will come in as a change of pace guy on the defensive end at the 4.
Also, I have said it time and time again.. I strongly feel Love and IT would be deadly on the pick and roll.

I think if the offer presents itself it is a no brainer for the Celtics. I think it makes us a top 2 team in the East, especially with Toronto likely losing Derozan.. would it make us better than Cleveland? I think it all depends on how the players gel together.

I do like that team, and it would lay a solid foundation for free agents in 2017, e.g. Durant, Hayward, etc.

But I don't think that Cleveland would have an interest in the third pick. They need talent now, and unless they're going to flip the number three pick for other vet talent, I don't think they'd have use for it with this current team. I think they start off by asking for Bradley and Crowder, which Danny laughs at. I would bet it would end up with something like Crowder and Amir plus some later picks for Love, or they'd revisit the three-way trade with New York and Melo.
I live in Cleveland, some of my friends will be happy with JUST Bradley or Crowder for Love.

Interesting. You'd almost have to do it in that case.  I'd almost rather give Crowder, though, because you could keep your KD dreams alive in that case.

? Doubt crowder objects to being KDs understudy. Or do you mean something else?

I think he means keeping Bradley over Crowder means the starting lineup with Durant looks better

IT
Bradley
Durant
Love
Amir

vs

IT
Smart
Durant
Love
Amir

Well, I was meaning you would still have a major opening for Durant at the 3 while also upgrading the 4 and 5. Though that would certainly work, too, even if I'm not that keen on Amir being a championship-level 5 for us in this scenario.
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Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #92 on: June 07, 2016, 11:50:37 AM »

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Posted this on the main Love forum but it is dying down. Curious on others take on my thoughts.

Rumors already speculating that he is as good as gone (assuming Cleveland doesn't pull a miraculous comeback somehow).

I honestly feel folks are in denial if they feel Ainge wouldn't make a play for Love in trade. Ainge has always wanted Love, now he can potentially be had.

I think the #3 and Bradley gets him. Cavs can flip the #3 or include a third team to get it done.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind it. I don't see anybody better than Love at #3 and by trading Bradley gives the opportunity to further develop Smart and RJ.

The only reason I don't do this trade is if we can get Butler for a similar package.

Assume we trade for Love, I think the next logical move is to sign Horford (assuming we can). Of course we let Sully, JJ and Amir walk (hopefully we can resign Turner).

Horford/KO
Love/Mickey
Crowder/ET
Smart/RJ
IT/Rozier

This solves almost all our issues from last season. We get our post threat in Horford and our outside shooting threat in Love. I know people are down on Love but honestly I think he's a product of a poor system, and being the third option on a uncoached team. A shooter needs shots and Love simply isn't getting them in Cleveland. I agree he is a below average defender, but I think CBS can get the most out of him defensively.. also a combination of Smart/Crowder and Horford more than compensate for his defensive inefficiencies... not to mention Mickey will come in as a change of pace guy on the defensive end at the 4.
Also, I have said it time and time again.. I strongly feel Love and IT would be deadly on the pick and roll.

I think if the offer presents itself it is a no brainer for the Celtics. I think it makes us a top 2 team in the East, especially with Toronto likely losing Derozan.. would it make us better than Cleveland? I think it all depends on how the players gel together.

I do like that team, and it would lay a solid foundation for free agents in 2017, e.g. Durant, Hayward, etc.

But I don't think that Cleveland would have an interest in the third pick. They need talent now, and unless they're going to flip the number three pick for other vet talent, I don't think they'd have use for it with this current team. I think they start off by asking for Bradley and Crowder, which Danny laughs at. I would bet it would end up with something like Crowder and Amir plus some later picks for Love, or they'd revisit the three-way trade with New York and Melo.
I live in Cleveland, some of my friends will be happy with JUST Bradley or Crowder for Love.

Interesting. You'd almost have to do it in that case.  I'd almost rather give Crowder, though, because you could keep your KD dreams alive in that case.

? Doubt crowder objects to being KDs understudy. Or do you mean something else?

I think he means keeping Bradley over Crowder means the starting lineup with Durant looks better

IT
Bradley
Durant
Love
Amir

vs

IT
Smart
Durant
Love
Amir

Ah.. wrl..Bradley will never be a consistent 40% guy. KD can have his shots. Smart's D is probably even more versatile than Avery too. I'd be less furious with Avery and Amir going than jae and jonas. I think...
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Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #93 on: June 07, 2016, 11:55:17 AM »

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Posted this on the main Love forum but it is dying down. Curious on others take on my thoughts.

Rumors already speculating that he is as good as gone (assuming Cleveland doesn't pull a miraculous comeback somehow).

I honestly feel folks are in denial if they feel Ainge wouldn't make a play for Love in trade. Ainge has always wanted Love, now he can potentially be had.

I think the #3 and Bradley gets him. Cavs can flip the #3 or include a third team to get it done.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind it. I don't see anybody better than Love at #3 and by trading Bradley gives the opportunity to further develop Smart and RJ.

The only reason I don't do this trade is if we can get Butler for a similar package.

Assume we trade for Love, I think the next logical move is to sign Horford (assuming we can). Of course we let Sully, JJ and Amir walk (hopefully we can resign Turner).

Horford/KO
Love/Mickey
Crowder/ET
Smart/RJ
IT/Rozier

This solves almost all our issues from last season. We get our post threat in Horford and our outside shooting threat in Love. I know people are down on Love but honestly I think he's a product of a poor system, and being the third option on a uncoached team. A shooter needs shots and Love simply isn't getting them in Cleveland. I agree he is a below average defender, but I think CBS can get the most out of him defensively.. also a combination of Smart/Crowder and Horford more than compensate for his defensive inefficiencies... not to mention Mickey will come in as a change of pace guy on the defensive end at the 4.
Also, I have said it time and time again.. I strongly feel Love and IT would be deadly on the pick and roll.

I think if the offer presents itself it is a no brainer for the Celtics. I think it makes us a top 2 team in the East, especially with Toronto likely losing Derozan.. would it make us better than Cleveland? I think it all depends on how the players gel together.

I do like that team, and it would lay a solid foundation for free agents in 2017, e.g. Durant, Hayward, etc.

But I don't think that Cleveland would have an interest in the third pick. They need talent now, and unless they're going to flip the number three pick for other vet talent, I don't think they'd have use for it with this current team. I think they start off by asking for Bradley and Crowder, which Danny laughs at. I would bet it would end up with something like Crowder and Amir plus some later picks for Love, or they'd revisit the three-way trade with New York and Melo.
I live in Cleveland, some of my friends will be happy with JUST Bradley or Crowder for Love.

Interesting. You'd almost have to do it in that case.  I'd almost rather give Crowder, though, because you could keep your KD dreams alive in that case.

? Doubt crowder objects to being KDs understudy. Or do you mean something else?

I think he means keeping Bradley over Crowder means the starting lineup with Durant looks better

IT
Bradley
Durant
Love
Amir

vs

IT
Smart
Durant
Love
Amir

Well, I was meaning you would still have a major opening for Durant at the 3 while also upgrading the 4 and 5. Though that would certainly work, too, even if I'm not that keen on Amir being a championship-level 5 for us in this scenario.

Agreed that the toughest 'decision' for danny to make will be coming up with a decent plan for a 5. KD is probably over his Perk thing
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Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #94 on: June 07, 2016, 12:04:24 PM »

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Nobody. Love is so overrated
he may be overrated but he would still be Boston's best player if he was acquired.

IT is more skilled and has more heart than Kevin Love.

Thank you. The KLove worship is over the top...He's not bad.  Good offensive player.  And I think he's being criticized too much in this series and has been reasonable tough in fighting down low.  He's just not a big star who can dominate and whoever it is above who suggested giving up the #3 pick plus Avery Bradley is off their rocker. 

Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #95 on: June 07, 2016, 12:15:39 PM »

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Everyone on here should want him.  He's far better than Olynyk, Zeller, Sully, & Company.  This is a no brainer upgrade.

Don't we want to upgrade the roster ?

Love is a darn good PF and is proven.  Big time upgrade & no doubt helps this team win more than they did this year.

Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #96 on: June 07, 2016, 12:22:02 PM »

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Can we please stop with the Love crap? He's not coming here or being traded here, either will Durant. Can we actually be realistic and focus on the draft or players we can actually trade for?

Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #97 on: June 07, 2016, 12:38:39 PM »

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Not buying Love over here.
Good to great role player, not the missing piece we crave for.
Also he is geting older, is injury prone and good forbid his defense.
He had his chance to come here if he wanted, I would close the door now.
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Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #98 on: June 07, 2016, 01:03:09 PM »

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Why would Love / IT be a better defensive combo than Love / Kyrie? We'd get killed defensively, and I'm wary of Love being able to carry the offensive load.


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Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #99 on: June 07, 2016, 01:07:58 PM »

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Why would Love / IT be a better defensive combo than Love / Kyrie? We'd get killed defensively, and I'm wary of Love being able to carry the offensive load.
IT is better than Kyrie I think. Also, Brad is better than Lue in my  opinion and then Bradley Smart Crowder.

Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #100 on: June 07, 2016, 01:12:35 PM »

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Why would Love / IT be a better defensive combo than Love / Kyrie? We'd get killed defensively, and I'm wary of Love being able to carry the offensive load.

Being surrounded by better defensive players in a better system would surely help. Brad's system did a decent enough job of hiding IT defensively and somehow preventing him being posted up by every bigger point guard. Also, not everyone will be able to abuse the 1/4 PnR like Golden State does so masterfully.

I think it's also important to note that we have some of the absolute best defenders in the league with regard to versatility. Surrounding Love and IT with versatile defenders that can switch onto multiple positions like Amir, Crowder, Smart, Bradley, and JJ helps out a lot in hiding those players compared to being surrounded by players like Smith, Thompson, Dellavedova, etc.

Further, if you'd add another scorer to the lineup, e.g. Butler, Durant, Cousins, etc., then you could legitimately move IT back to the bench to avoid this issue for large portions of the game, while also boostering the bench.
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Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #101 on: June 07, 2016, 01:21:19 PM »

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Can we please stop with the Love crap? He's not coming here or being traded here, either will Durant. Can we actually be realistic and focus on the draft or players we can actually trade for?

Don't be so sure of yourself

Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #102 on: June 07, 2016, 01:23:42 PM »

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I doubt Ainge wants Love. He has eyes, after all.
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Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #103 on: June 07, 2016, 01:27:14 PM »

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Why would Love / IT be a better defensive combo than Love / Kyrie? We'd get killed defensively, and I'm wary of Love being able to carry the offensive load.

Thomas tries.  You can adjust your defensive scheme to use his efforts to be a pest.  I don't think Stevens can compensate for a truly disinterested defender, like Irving often appears to be, and I don't think Lue can do it if it is possible.
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Re: Who else still wants Kevin Love?
« Reply #104 on: June 07, 2016, 01:39:30 PM »

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I doubt Ainge wants Love. He has eyes, after all.

Fits perfect in his system.  Far better than Olynyk, Zeller, Sullinger, etc.

It's not even close.  He'd help this team win more games, bottom line.