Who else still wants Kevin Love?

[Surferdad]

I would still have interest in Love but I don't feel like we would need to give up the #3 pick anymore. Cleveland aren't in the business of draft picks so there would need to be a 3rd team involved as well. I don't see us giving up Bradley or Crowder to get Love, unless it meant KD coming here.

The Anthony trade still makes a lot of sense but would they be willing to take a draft package that doesn't include the Nets picks or the Memphis pick?

Bingo.  It makes no sense to give up a lot for Love at this point.  Does he make the Celtics better?  Probably.  Does he move the needle in terms of a championship?  Well apparently not if you have been paying attention to the Finals.

He definitely makes us better. Through this experience with Cleveland he has never been put in a comfort zone. Operating in a pick and roll situation with Isaiah would be a nightmare for opponents. He is tailor made for the system we run. Would he take us to a championship level? No, however he would get us to one piece away and that is when Durant to Boston or something similar becomes a lot more realistic

I agree he has never been used in Cleveland in a way that plays to his strengths.  However, I DO NOT WANT Love as the goal for this off-season.  It would have to be more like when they acquired Ray Allen as a means to induce KG to come here (I think he had to waive a no-trade clause).  I was very disappointed at the Ray deal, until the KG thing went down.  I will feel the same way about Love, if no bigger fish is acquired.

[Moranis]

"Cleveland doesn't need roster depth at all, they just need a bit better roster construction.  I mean Mo Williams and Timofey Mozgov aren't even in the rotation for them.  The problem is basically Love/Irving/James just don't fit that well and 2 of the 3 are pretty bad defenders.  If they can turn at least one of Irving or Love into a more balanced two way player (even one not as good) that should do a great deal for that team. "


Have you not been watching the finals? Their bench scoring is AWFUL. Their defense is worse. Mo Williams and Shumpert are just names at this point.

Of course I've been watching the Finals and the Cavs are losing because their starters have been awful not because their bench has been awful.  Love, Irving, and Smith are all shooting in the 30's.  Thompson and James are each at 42%.  On the flip side, Thompson is at 40% and Curry is at 42% and they are by far the worst Warriors starters.  You can't win if you starters can't score or defend.  The Cavs problem in the series is their starter 5.

[TheSundanceKid]

I would still have interest in Love but I don't feel like we would need to give up the #3 pick anymore. Cleveland aren't in the business of draft picks so there would need to be a 3rd team involved as well. I don't see us giving up Bradley or Crowder to get Love, unless it meant KD coming here.

The Anthony trade still makes a lot of sense but would they be willing to take a draft package that doesn't include the Nets picks or the Memphis pick?

Bingo.  It makes no sense to give up a lot for Love at this point.  Does he make the Celtics better?  Probably.  Does he move the needle in terms of a championship?  Well apparently not if you have been paying attention to the Finals.

He definitely makes us better. Through this experience with Cleveland he has never been put in a comfort zone. Operating in a pick and roll situation with Isaiah would be a nightmare for opponents. He is tailor made for the system we run. Would he take us to a championship level? No, however he would get us to one piece away and that is when Durant to Boston or something similar becomes a lot more realistic

I agree he has never been used in Cleveland in a way that plays to his strengths.  However, I DO NOT WANT Love as the goal for this off-season.  It would have to be more like when they acquired Ray Allen as a means to induce KG to come here (I think he had to waive a no-trade clause).  I was very disappointed at the Ray deal, until the KG thing went down.  I will feel the same way about Love, if no bigger fish is acquired.

It's ok to take that view, Love alone isn't getting us a championship so there would need to be a plan in place to improve further. It wouldn't be my first choice offseason but if the only major move was to use #16,#23, #31, a future Boston first, Amir, Jerebko and Young to get Love, presumably with a 3rd team involved, then I'd be fine with that. We'd still have the Brooklyn picks, Memphis pick and lots of cap space to work with in the future. I believe it would make us more attractive to FAs in 2017 after Love has been here for a year and got back to himself again.

[Donoghus]

"Cleveland doesn't need roster depth at all, they just need a bit better roster construction.  I mean Mo Williams and Timofey Mozgov aren't even in the rotation for them.  The problem is basically Love/Irving/James just don't fit that well and 2 of the 3 are pretty bad defenders.  If they can turn at least one of Irving or Love into a more balanced two way player (even one not as good) that should do a great deal for that team. "


Have you not been watching the finals? Their bench scoring is AWFUL. Their defense is worse. Mo Williams and Shumpert are just names at this point.

Of course I've been watching the Finals and the Cavs are losing because their starters have been awful not because their bench has been awful.  Love, Irving, and Smith are all shooting in the 30's.  Thompson and James are each at 42%.  On the flip side, Thompson is at 40% and Curry is at 42% and they are by far the worst Warriors starters.  You can't win if you starters can't score or defend.  The Cavs problem in the series is their starter 5.

It's been both their starters & their bench.  Irving has been relatively MIA, the frontcourt (which was supposed to be a strength in this series) has done squat, and the bench has been an absolute negative for them.

Not to mentioned CLE has been drastically out-coached.  Lue's defensive "strategy" has been an abject failure so far.

[jbpats]

Posted this on the main Love forum but it is dying down. Curious on others take on my thoughts.

Rumors already speculating that he is as good as gone (assuming Cleveland doesn't pull a miraculous comeback somehow).

I honestly feel folks are in denial if they feel Ainge wouldn't make a play for Love in trade. Ainge has always wanted Love, now he can potentially be had.

I think the #3 and Bradley gets him. Cavs can flip the #3 or include a third team to get it done.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind it. I don't see anybody better than Love at #3 and by trading Bradley gives the opportunity to further develop Smart and RJ.

The only reason I don't do this trade is if we can get Butler for a similar package.

Assume we trade for Love, I think the next logical move is to sign Horford (assuming we can). Of course we let Sully, JJ and Amir walk (hopefully we can resign Turner).

Horford/KO
Love/Mickey
Crowder/ET
Smart/RJ
IT/Rozier

This solves almost all our issues from last season. We get our post threat in Horford and our outside shooting threat in Love. I know people are down on Love but honestly I think he's a product of a poor system, and being the third option on a uncoached team. A shooter needs shots and Love simply isn't getting them in Cleveland. I agree he is a below average defender, but I think CBS can get the most out of him defensively.. also a combination of Smart/Crowder and Horford more than compensate for his defensive inefficiencies... not to mention Mickey will come in as a change of pace guy on the defensive end at the 4.
Also, I have said it time and time again.. I strongly feel Love and IT would be deadly on the pick and roll.

I think if the offer presents itself it is a no brainer for the Celtics. I think it makes us a top 2 team in the East, especially with Toronto likely losing Derozan.. would it make us better than Cleveland? I think it all depends on how the players gel together.

[jpotter33]

Posted this on the main Love forum but it is dying down. Curious on others take on my thoughts.

Rumors already speculating that he is as good as gone (assuming Cleveland doesn't pull a miraculous comeback somehow).

I honestly feel folks are in denial if they feel Ainge wouldn't make a play for Love in trade. Ainge has always wanted Love, now he can potentially be had.

I think the #3 and Bradley gets him. Cavs can flip the #3 or include a third team to get it done.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind it. I don't see anybody better than Love at #3 and by trading Bradley gives the opportunity to further develop Smart and RJ.

The only reason I don't do this trade is if we can get Butler for a similar package.

Assume we trade for Love, I think the next logical move is to sign Horford (assuming we can). Of course we let Sully, JJ and Amir walk (hopefully we can resign Turner).

Horford/KO
Love/Mickey
Crowder/ET
Smart/RJ
IT/Rozier

This solves almost all our issues from last season. We get our post threat in Horford and our outside shooting threat in Love. I know people are down on Love but honestly I think he's a product of a poor system, and being the third option on a uncoached team. A shooter needs shots and Love simply isn't getting them in Cleveland. I agree he is a below average defender, but I think CBS can get the most out of him defensively.. also a combination of Smart/Crowder and Horford more than compensate for his defensive inefficiencies... not to mention Mickey will come in as a change of pace guy on the defensive end at the 4.
Also, I have said it time and time again.. I strongly feel Love and IT would be deadly on the pick and roll.

I think if the offer presents itself it is a no brainer for the Celtics. I think it makes us a top 2 team in the East, especially with Toronto likely losing Derozan.. would it make us better than Cleveland? I think it all depends on how the players gel together.

I do like that team, and it would lay a solid foundation for free agents in 2017, e.g. Durant, Hayward, etc.

But I don't think that Cleveland would have an interest in the third pick. They need talent now, and unless they're going to flip the number three pick for other vet talent, I don't think they'd have use for it with this current team. I think they start off by asking for Bradley and Crowder, which Danny laughs at. I would bet it would end up with something like Crowder and Amir plus some later picks for Love, or they'd revisit the three-way trade with New York and Melo.

[apc]

Posted this on the main Love forum but it is dying down. Curious on others take on my thoughts.

Rumors already speculating that he is as good as gone (assuming Cleveland doesn't pull a miraculous comeback somehow).

I honestly feel folks are in denial if they feel Ainge wouldn't make a play for Love in trade. Ainge has always wanted Love, now he can potentially be had.

I think the #3 and Bradley gets him. Cavs can flip the #3 or include a third team to get it done.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind it. I don't see anybody better than Love at #3 and by trading Bradley gives the opportunity to further develop Smart and RJ.

The only reason I don't do this trade is if we can get Butler for a similar package.

Assume we trade for Love, I think the next logical move is to sign Horford (assuming we can). Of course we let Sully, JJ and Amir walk (hopefully we can resign Turner).

Horford/KO
Love/Mickey
Crowder/ET
Smart/RJ
IT/Rozier

This solves almost all our issues from last season. We get our post threat in Horford and our outside shooting threat in Love. I know people are down on Love but honestly I think he's a product of a poor system, and being the third option on a uncoached team. A shooter needs shots and Love simply isn't getting them in Cleveland. I agree he is a below average defender, but I think CBS can get the most out of him defensively.. also a combination of Smart/Crowder and Horford more than compensate for his defensive inefficiencies... not to mention Mickey will come in as a change of pace guy on the defensive end at the 4.
Also, I have said it time and time again.. I strongly feel Love and IT would be deadly on the pick and roll.

I think if the offer presents itself it is a no brainer for the Celtics. I think it makes us a top 2 team in the East, especially with Toronto likely losing Derozan.. would it make us better than Cleveland? I think it all depends on how the players gel together.

I do like that team, and it would lay a solid foundation for free agents in 2017, e.g. Durant, Hayward, etc.

But I don't think that Cleveland would have an interest in the third pick. They need talent now, and unless they're going to flip the number three pick for other vet talent, I don't think they'd have use for it with this current team. I think they start off by asking for Bradley and Crowder, which Danny laughs at. I would bet it would end up with something like Crowder and Amir plus some later picks for Love, or they'd revisit the three-way trade with New York and Melo.

I live in Cleveland, some of my friends will be happy with JUST Bradley or Crowder for Love.

[jpotter33]

Posted this on the main Love forum but it is dying down. Curious on others take on my thoughts.

Rumors already speculating that he is as good as gone (assuming Cleveland doesn't pull a miraculous comeback somehow).

I honestly feel folks are in denial if they feel Ainge wouldn't make a play for Love in trade. Ainge has always wanted Love, now he can potentially be had.

I think the #3 and Bradley gets him. Cavs can flip the #3 or include a third team to get it done.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind it. I don't see anybody better than Love at #3 and by trading Bradley gives the opportunity to further develop Smart and RJ.

The only reason I don't do this trade is if we can get Butler for a similar package.

Assume we trade for Love, I think the next logical move is to sign Horford (assuming we can). Of course we let Sully, JJ and Amir walk (hopefully we can resign Turner).

Horford/KO
Love/Mickey
Crowder/ET
Smart/RJ
IT/Rozier

This solves almost all our issues from last season. We get our post threat in Horford and our outside shooting threat in Love. I know people are down on Love but honestly I think he's a product of a poor system, and being the third option on a uncoached team. A shooter needs shots and Love simply isn't getting them in Cleveland. I agree he is a below average defender, but I think CBS can get the most out of him defensively.. also a combination of Smart/Crowder and Horford more than compensate for his defensive inefficiencies... not to mention Mickey will come in as a change of pace guy on the defensive end at the 4.
Also, I have said it time and time again.. I strongly feel Love and IT would be deadly on the pick and roll.

I think if the offer presents itself it is a no brainer for the Celtics. I think it makes us a top 2 team in the East, especially with Toronto likely losing Derozan.. would it make us better than Cleveland? I think it all depends on how the players gel together.

I do like that team, and it would lay a solid foundation for free agents in 2017, e.g. Durant, Hayward, etc.

But I don't think that Cleveland would have an interest in the third pick. They need talent now, and unless they're going to flip the number three pick for other vet talent, I don't think they'd have use for it with this current team. I think they start off by asking for Bradley and Crowder, which Danny laughs at. I would bet it would end up with something like Crowder and Amir plus some later picks for Love, or they'd revisit the three-way trade with New York and Melo.

I live in Cleveland, some of my friends will be happy with JUST Bradley or Crowder for Love.

Interesting. You'd almost have to do it in that case.  I'd almost rather give Crowder, though, because you could keep your KD dreams alive in that case.

[Tr1boy]

Nobody. Love is so overrated

[Moranis]

Nobody. Love is so overrated

he may be overrated but he would still be Boston's best player if he was acquired.

[BlackCeltic]

Nobody. Love is so overrated

he may be overrated but he would still be Boston's best player if he was acquired.

IT is more skilled and has more heart than Kevin Love.

[Evantime34]

Posted this on the main Love forum but it is dying down. Curious on others take on my thoughts.

Rumors already speculating that he is as good as gone (assuming Cleveland doesn't pull a miraculous comeback somehow).

I honestly feel folks are in denial if they feel Ainge wouldn't make a play for Love in trade. Ainge has always wanted Love, now he can potentially be had.

I think the #3 and Bradley gets him. Cavs can flip the #3 or include a third team to get it done.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind it. I don't see anybody better than Love at #3 and by trading Bradley gives the opportunity to further develop Smart and RJ.

The only reason I don't do this trade is if we can get Butler for a similar package.

Assume we trade for Love, I think the next logical move is to sign Horford (assuming we can). Of course we let Sully, JJ and Amir walk (hopefully we can resign Turner).

Horford/KO
Love/Mickey
Crowder/ET
Smart/RJ
IT/Rozier

This solves almost all our issues from last season. We get our post threat in Horford and our outside shooting threat in Love. I know people are down on Love but honestly I think he's a product of a poor system, and being the third option on a uncoached team. A shooter needs shots and Love simply isn't getting them in Cleveland. I agree he is a below average defender, but I think CBS can get the most out of him defensively.. also a combination of Smart/Crowder and Horford more than compensate for his defensive inefficiencies... not to mention Mickey will come in as a change of pace guy on the defensive end at the 4.
Also, I have said it time and time again.. I strongly feel Love and IT would be deadly on the pick and roll.

I think if the offer presents itself it is a no brainer for the Celtics. I think it makes us a top 2 team in the East, especially with Toronto likely losing Derozan.. would it make us better than Cleveland? I think it all depends on how the players gel together.

I do like that team, and it would lay a solid foundation for free agents in 2017, e.g. Durant, Hayward, etc.

But I don't think that Cleveland would have an interest in the third pick. They need talent now, and unless they're going to flip the number three pick for other vet talent, I don't think they'd have use for it with this current team. I think they start off by asking for Bradley and Crowder, which Danny laughs at. I would bet it would end up with something like Crowder and Amir plus some later picks for Love, or they'd revisit the three-way trade with New York and Melo.

I live in Cleveland, some of my friends will be happy with JUST Bradley or Crowder for Love.

I honestly think Amir and Bradley would make them better right now, not because they are more talented but because they provide what Cleveland needs.

[trickybilly]

Posted this on the main Love forum but it is dying down. Curious on others take on my thoughts.

Rumors already speculating that he is as good as gone (assuming Cleveland doesn't pull a miraculous comeback somehow).

I honestly feel folks are in denial if they feel Ainge wouldn't make a play for Love in trade. Ainge has always wanted Love, now he can potentially be had.

I think the #3 and Bradley gets him. Cavs can flip the #3 or include a third team to get it done.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind it. I don't see anybody better than Love at #3 and by trading Bradley gives the opportunity to further develop Smart and RJ.

The only reason I don't do this trade is if we can get Butler for a similar package.

Assume we trade for Love, I think the next logical move is to sign Horford (assuming we can). Of course we let Sully, JJ and Amir walk (hopefully we can resign Turner).

Horford/KO
Love/Mickey
Crowder/ET
Smart/RJ
IT/Rozier

This solves almost all our issues from last season. We get our post threat in Horford and our outside shooting threat in Love. I know people are down on Love but honestly I think he's a product of a poor system, and being the third option on a uncoached team. A shooter needs shots and Love simply isn't getting them in Cleveland. I agree he is a below average defender, but I think CBS can get the most out of him defensively.. also a combination of Smart/Crowder and Horford more than compensate for his defensive inefficiencies... not to mention Mickey will come in as a change of pace guy on the defensive end at the 4.
Also, I have said it time and time again.. I strongly feel Love and IT would be deadly on the pick and roll.

I think if the offer presents itself it is a no brainer for the Celtics. I think it makes us a top 2 team in the East, especially with Toronto likely losing Derozan.. would it make us better than Cleveland? I think it all depends on how the players gel together.

I do like that team, and it would lay a solid foundation for free agents in 2017, e.g. Durant, Hayward, etc.

But I don't think that Cleveland would have an interest in the third pick. They need talent now, and unless they're going to flip the number three pick for other vet talent, I don't think they'd have use for it with this current team. I think they start off by asking for Bradley and Crowder, which Danny laughs at. I would bet it would end up with something like Crowder and Amir plus some later picks for Love, or they'd revisit the three-way trade with New York and Melo.

I live in Cleveland, some of my friends will be happy with JUST Bradley or Crowder for Love.

Interesting. You'd almost have to do it in that case.  I'd almost rather give Crowder, though, because you could keep your KD dreams alive in that case.

? Doubt crowder objects to being KDs understudy. Or do you mean something else?

[CoachBo]

Posted this on the main Love forum but it is dying down. Curious on others take on my thoughts.

Rumors already speculating that he is as good as gone (assuming Cleveland doesn't pull a miraculous comeback somehow).

I honestly feel folks are in denial if they feel Ainge wouldn't make a play for Love in trade. Ainge has always wanted Love, now he can potentially be had.

I think the #3 and Bradley gets him. Cavs can flip the #3 or include a third team to get it done.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind it. I don't see anybody better than Love at #3 and by trading Bradley gives the opportunity to further develop Smart and RJ.

The only reason I don't do this trade is if we can get Butler for a similar package.

Assume we trade for Love, I think the next logical move is to sign Horford (assuming we can). Of course we let Sully, JJ and Amir walk (hopefully we can resign Turner).

Horford/KO
Love/Mickey
Crowder/ET
Smart/RJ
IT/Rozier

This solves almost all our issues from last season. We get our post threat in Horford and our outside shooting threat in Love. I know people are down on Love but honestly I think he's a product of a poor system, and being the third option on a uncoached team. A shooter needs shots and Love simply isn't getting them in Cleveland. I agree he is a below average defender, but I think CBS can get the most out of him defensively.. also a combination of Smart/Crowder and Horford more than compensate for his defensive inefficiencies... not to mention Mickey will come in as a change of pace guy on the defensive end at the 4.
Also, I have said it time and time again.. I strongly feel Love and IT would be deadly on the pick and roll.

I think if the offer presents itself it is a no brainer for the Celtics. I think it makes us a top 2 team in the East, especially with Toronto likely losing Derozan.. would it make us better than Cleveland? I think it all depends on how the players gel together.

Quality analysis. I completely agree.

[TheSundanceKid]

Posted this on the main Love forum but it is dying down. Curious on others take on my thoughts.

Rumors already speculating that he is as good as gone (assuming Cleveland doesn't pull a miraculous comeback somehow).

I honestly feel folks are in denial if they feel Ainge wouldn't make a play for Love in trade. Ainge has always wanted Love, now he can potentially be had.

I think the #3 and Bradley gets him. Cavs can flip the #3 or include a third team to get it done.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind it. I don't see anybody better than Love at #3 and by trading Bradley gives the opportunity to further develop Smart and RJ.

The only reason I don't do this trade is if we can get Butler for a similar package.

Assume we trade for Love, I think the next logical move is to sign Horford (assuming we can). Of course we let Sully, JJ and Amir walk (hopefully we can resign Turner).

Horford/KO
Love/Mickey
Crowder/ET
Smart/RJ
IT/Rozier

This solves almost all our issues from last season. We get our post threat in Horford and our outside shooting threat in Love. I know people are down on Love but honestly I think he's a product of a poor system, and being the third option on a uncoached team. A shooter needs shots and Love simply isn't getting them in Cleveland. I agree he is a below average defender, but I think CBS can get the most out of him defensively.. also a combination of Smart/Crowder and Horford more than compensate for his defensive inefficiencies... not to mention Mickey will come in as a change of pace guy on the defensive end at the 4.
Also, I have said it time and time again.. I strongly feel Love and IT would be deadly on the pick and roll.

I think if the offer presents itself it is a no brainer for the Celtics. I think it makes us a top 2 team in the East, especially with Toronto likely losing Derozan.. would it make us better than Cleveland? I think it all depends on how the players gel together.

I do like that team, and it would lay a solid foundation for free agents in 2017, e.g. Durant, Hayward, etc.

But I don't think that Cleveland would have an interest in the third pick. They need talent now, and unless they're going to flip the number three pick for other vet talent, I don't think they'd have use for it with this current team. I think they start off by asking for Bradley and Crowder, which Danny laughs at. I would bet it would end up with something like Crowder and Amir plus some later picks for Love, or they'd revisit the three-way trade with New York and Melo.

I live in Cleveland, some of my friends will be happy with JUST Bradley or Crowder for Love.

Interesting. You'd almost have to do it in that case.  I'd almost rather give Crowder, though, because you could keep your KD dreams alive in that case.

? Doubt crowder objects to being KDs understudy. Or do you mean something else?

I think he means keeping Bradley over Crowder means the starting lineup with Durant looks better

IT
Bradley
Durant
Love
Amir

vs

IT
Smart
Durant
Love
Amir