Murray is Better than Ingram, he's the best Scorer in the draft.

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Move back to pick up more picks in this year's draft? Is that supposed to be funny?

[mctyson]

He's 6'5, how is that tiny?  He has a 39" vertical,how is that unathletic?

Draft Express has him at 6'3" without shoes.  By comparison, Hield is closer to 6'4" without shoes.  If you have to draft one, wouldn't you take the guy who proved he could fill it up in actual games?

I do agree with the OP's general point that we should trade down from #3 if there isn't a direct trade for that pick which brings us someone like Okafor.  Hield will be available at 6 or later. 

[Irish Stew]

Maybe we should consider Dyshawn Pierre in the 2nd round off of his shooting performance with Murray and trade #3 for Okafor.

[TA9]

I don't know if I would call Murray the best scorer in this draft. I personally think that there are a lot of good scorers this year like, for an example, Kay Felder and Buddy Hield.

[Cman]

Maybe so. I just don't want another PG.
so I prefer Bender, Hiekd and Brown over Dunn and Murray.

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A GM who takes an unathletic combo guard with a top 5 pick should be fired immediately.

[saltlover]

Move back to pick up more picks in this year's draft? Is that supposed to be funny?

I'm in favor of trading back for a player and a pick, myself.  Say, for example, the Kings really love Kris Dunn.  I'd look into giving them #3 for #8 and Willie Cauley-Stein.  Could pick up a nice young defensive center and get a nice prospect, potentially Murray or Hield even.

[PaulP34]

I like Heild, Murray, Brown but I do not like Bender. Any of those three guys would be OK with me if we draft with the 3rd pick. I prefer Buddy Heild over all of them but then I'd take Murray then Jaylen Brown. All three have upside and very high ceilings. I will be happy with any of them at #3 👍

[GetLucky]

He's 6'5, how is that tiny?  He has a 39" vertical,how is that unathletic?

Draft Express has him at 6'3" without shoes.  By comparison, Hield is closer to 6'4" without shoes. If you have to draft one, wouldn't you take the guy who proved he could fill it up in actual games?

I do agree with the OP's general point that we should trade down from #3 if there isn't a direct trade for that pick which brings us someone like Okafor.  Hield will be available at 6 or later.

Do you mean the guy that averaged 20 ppg in the toughest conference in the nation as a teen-aged freshman? Or the one who averaged 8 ppg as a freshman and 25 ppg as a 22-year-old senior?

Also, Hield was measured at 6'3.75" without shoes at the combine. An alleged 3/4 of an inch doesn't make much of a difference, if any at all, especially considering that Murray is a potential combo-guard that could develop as a point man. (Murray played point guard at every level until he got to Kentucky, who had the supremely-talented, 5'8" Ulis starting.)

EDIT: Mixed up the conferences. OU did have the 4th hardest schedule, according to https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other?date=2016-04-05. Kentucky had the 16th.

[Ilikesports17]

He's 6'5, how is that tiny?  He has a 39" vertical,how is that unathletic?

Draft Express has him at 6'3" without shoes.  By comparison, Hield is closer to 6'4" without shoes. If you have to draft one, wouldn't you take the guy who proved he could fill it up in actual games?

I do agree with the OP's general point that we should trade down from #3 if there isn't a direct trade for that pick which brings us someone like Okafor.  Hield will be available at 6 or later.

Do you mean the guy that averaged 20 ppg in the toughest conference in the nation as a teen-aged freshman? Of the one who averaged 8 ppg as a freshman and 25 ppg as a 22-year-old senior?

Also, Hield was measured at 6'3.75" without shoes at the combine. An alleged 3/4 of an inch doesn't make much of a difference, if any at all, especially considering that Murray is a potential combo-guard that could develop as a point man. (Murray played point guard at every level until he got to Kentucky, who had the supremely-talented, 5'8" Ulis starting.)

completely irrelevant to your overall point, the discussion at hand, and the Boston Celtics, but there is no way the SEC is tougher than the ACC.

[GetLucky]

He's 6'5, how is that tiny?  He has a 39" vertical,how is that unathletic?

Draft Express has him at 6'3" without shoes.  By comparison, Hield is closer to 6'4" without shoes. If you have to draft one, wouldn't you take the guy who proved he could fill it up in actual games?

I do agree with the OP's general point that we should trade down from #3 if there isn't a direct trade for that pick which brings us someone like Okafor.  Hield will be available at 6 or later.

Do you mean the guy that averaged 20 ppg in the toughest conference in the nation as a teen-aged freshman? Of the one who averaged 8 ppg as a freshman and 25 ppg as a 22-year-old senior?

Also, Hield was measured at 6'3.75" without shoes at the combine. An alleged 3/4 of an inch doesn't make much of a difference, if any at all, especially considering that Murray is a potential combo-guard that could develop as a point man. (Murray played point guard at every level until h ::)e got to Kentucky, who had the supremely-talented, 5'8" Ulis starting.)

completely irrelevant to your overall point, the discussion at hand, and the Boston Celtics, but there is no way the SEC is tougher than the ACC.

You got me; I mixed up the teams. (I thought Kentucky was ACC and OU was SEC for some reason.) My bad, TP.

[DarkAzcura]

I don't know why Murray is getting the rep of being unathletic. He's a little bit more methodical about how he approaches his offensive game but that doesn't make him unathletic. He supposedly has a 40 inch vertical, and I've seen him throw down some athletic dunks during many fast breaks through traffic this past season which is something none of our guards have been capable of (in game).

At this point I think his athletic ability is becoming a pretty major underrated quality about him. He's not incredibly explosive, but he's certainly not a bad athlete. He's above average at worst in that department, IMO.

Even disregarding his vertical, the way he runs around screens and is able to balance himself on the move while rising up into his shot is a great athletic trait in itself. It requires incredible coordination.

[vjcsmoke]

Pretty good tape on Murray.  Seems to be clutch, and a scorer.  He has the stroke from outside, and he can pass the ball as well.  If we drafted Murray at #3, would we be trading AB?

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jamal-murray

[LooseCannon]

I don't know why Murray is getting the rep of being unathletic. He's a little bit more methodical about how he approaches his offensive game but that doesn't make him unathletic. He supposedly has a 40 inch vertical, and I've seen him throw down some athletic dunks during many fast breaks through traffic this past season which is something none of our guards have been capable of (in game).

At this point I think his athletic ability is becoming a pretty major underrated quality about him. He's not incredibly explosive, but he's certainly not a bad athlete. He's above average at worst in that department, IMO.

Even disregarding his vertical, the way he runs around screens and is able to balance himself on the move while rising up into his shot is a great athletic trait in itself. It requires incredible coordination.

I think he's seen as a guy of average athleticism, but less than the usual level seen for guards taken with high picks.  While he does have a high vertical (seemingly reported by Kentucky, not any neutral source), he is seen as lacking the speed necessary to drive past someone and the lateral quickness to be an elite defender.  You can create shots for him with screens, but it sounds like he's not a guy you would expect to score in a one-on-one isolation (although the Celtics don't really do isos).  When you add that to him being seen as not lengthy (he has a shorter wingspan and standing reach than the shorter Avery Bradley, depending on which numbers you use...), it amounts to a physical profile that isn't necessarily an impediment to being a good player, but nothing special.

The scouting reports make it sound like he could be running around screens like a Celtics-era old man Ray Allen, but with less athleticism than old man Ray Allen, so less able to drive to the basket or play defense.

[LooseCannon]

Pretty good tape on Murray.  Seems to be clutch, and a scorer.  He has the stroke from outside, and he can pass the ball as well.  If we drafted Murray at #3, would we be trading AB?

The Celtics probably wouldn't trade anybody just to create playing time for a rookie, even a high draft pick.  There's no one in this draft, not even Ingram or Simmons, who would be penciled in as a starter.  If the Celtics drafted someone like Murray, he's probably going to be brought along slowly, with him minutes depending on how quickly he is able to learn and execute Stevens' defensive principles, regardless of how well he shoots.