Murray is Better than Ingram, he's the best Scorer in the draft.

[playdream]

I'm coming around on Murray.

This from Chad Ford:

Every year ESPN attends individual workouts for prospects as they prepare for the NBA draft.

This week, I saw Brandon Ingram, Jamal Murray and Thon Maker, and talked to NBA scouts and GMs. Here's what I've learned so far.

Jamal Murray, G, Fr., Kentucky

As good as Ingram looked in those shooting drills, Murray looked even better. He rarely missed in the 90-minute workout I saw, even when he was standing five feet beyond the NBA 3-point line. Murray's the type of player who really comes alive when the lights are on and kept pushing through repetitions of the star drill, trying to break the record for the most 3s hit in a two-minute period. He hit 22 in his first try -- just short of the record of 23, which he achieved on his second try. Then his workout partner,Dyshawn Pierre, made 24. Murray asked to go through the exhausting drill one more time and this time made 25.

How good do you have to be to hit 25 3s in two minutes -- especially when after every made 3 you have to run to another spot on the floor? In that sequence he was 25-for-27 from beyond the arc. Murray's release is quick, but it's his competitiveness that makes him especially lethal.

While scouts have compared him a lot to a young Brandon Roy, another comparison came to my mind watching the workouts: a bigger C.J. McCollum. Murray still needs to answer questions about whether he's a true point guard (the workout didn't really address those skills). But even if teams don't think he can be a full-time PG in the pros, he might be the best shooter in this draft. At 6-foot-5 with a 6-foot-7 wingspan and a very strong frame, he's big enough to play the shooting guard position.

Still, Murray's confident he'll be a point guard at the next level.

"I've had a basketball in my hands since I was three months old," Murray said. "When I was six years old, I was playing against 10-year-olds. I'm the son of a coach. He was hard on me. He made sure I was disciplined and coached very well. He was my biggest critic. My best friend.

"I did what I had to do at Kentucky. I've played point guard my whole life. But we had Tyler [Ulis] there. I wasn't focused on scoring 20 points a game. I was just doing whatever we need to win. Sometimes that was scoring 26 points, sometimes 12 and focusing on getting people involved from the 2 spot." With the draft order set, look for Murray to go either No. 3 to the Celtics, No. 5 to the Wolves or No. 6 to the Pelicans. I doubt he slips further than that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/4kehyg/insider_draft_workout_confidential_ingram_murry/

Pretty persuasive.

Love the fire.

Read the Dragan Bender story earlier today and was sold... Now this, Seems like I'm set on Murray.. Let's see what Buddy does over the next next days.

noted they are all no-contest shot and he can shot slowly, Murray will have a very hard time against NBA defense, AB will eat him alive

 Did you miss this part?

How good do you have to be to hit 25 3s in two minutes -- especially when after every made 3 you have to run to another spot on the floor? In that sequence he was 25-for-27 from beyond the arc. Murray's release is quick, but it's his competitiveness that makes him especially lethal.

i remember in the video he is unguarded and can shoot it in his most comfortable rhymth

[KG Living Legend]

Can he defend or create for others?  Can he get to the rim consistently?

 He's a solid defender, He has the It factor. He's so smooth it's ridiculous. Yes he can create he might be able to be a top flight point guard in the NBA and he's a lights out shooter, think about that.

 With Smart and Bradley by his side that help him even more, Avery and Marcus are much better defenders but Murray will run circles around both of them on offense.

 He's a lot better than Devin Booker. If anyone can come close to Steph Curry in this draft it's Jamal Murray. He's 19, his handles are wonderful, the kid has mega Swag shooting the Rock.

[KG Living Legend]

This team needs offense and Scoring.

I'd say the team needs shooting and scoring from the non-guard positions, but not someone who gets all his offense in the paint.

 Cannon, not sure what your typing about here. Murray attempted 7.7 three's per game and shot a high%.

 He's dominated the workouts by draining everything 5 feet behind the stripe.

 He has it all offensively. He posts up smaller guards, you have to close out on him with his crazy shooting ability, he has fantastic handles and can create for himself and others, he has floaters, mid range game.

 He's the kid you went to school with that's the best at everything. His hand eye coordination is elite, for the people that question his athleticism he jumps nearly 40". He can hammer home dunks when needed.

 Steph Curry minus the passing, he can pass just not like Steph.

[max215]

Can he defend or create for others?  Can he get to the rim consistently?

1. Can he defend? Not really, but he's a smart player, so there's hope that he could be a passable team defender. However, he is tiny for a two-guard, so that will be yet another obstacle for him.

2. Can he create for others? He's a decent passer, but nothing more (right now). He's no worse than Hield, but he doesn't have the passing ability of Bender.

3. Can he get to the rim? Unclear. He's crafty and smart, but he's a bad athlete. People compare him to Harden since Harden is kind of awkward, but Harden is pretty explosive and on a different level in terms of guile and ball-handling.

[chilidawg]

He's 6'5, how is that tiny?  He has a 39" vertical,how is that unathletic?

[Celtics4ever]

The premise of this post is patently absurd.   Just answer one question, were you drunk when you posted it?

[chambers]

He's 6'5, how is that tiny?  He has a 39" vertical,how is that unathletic?

I saw somewhere that he measured much smaller than originally listed.
Like 6'2.75" or something. ..
Anyone else see that?

[moiso]

He's 6'5, how is that tiny?  He has a 39" vertical,how is that unathletic?

I saw somewhere that he measured much smaller than originally listed.
Like 6'2.75" or something. ..
Anyone else see that?

I don't think that's right... I hope not!

[chambers]

Right now I've got Hield and Bender ahead of Murray. I'm worried about Murray's athleticism  (or lack thereof). Pretty poor defender too.

Don't hate him but need to see more of him in work outs.

I've got Hield ahead of Murray because Hield's got an NBA style of game that will only get better with his IQ and work ethic.

[colincb]

Can he defend or create for others?  Can he get to the rim consistently?

1. Can he defend? Not really, but he's a smart player, so there's hope that he could be a passable team defender. However, he is tiny for a two-guard, so that will be yet another obstacle for him.

2. Can he create for others? He's a decent passer, but nothing more (right now). He's no worse than Hield, but he doesn't have the passing ability of Bender.

3. Can he get to the rim? Unclear. He's crafty and smart, but he's a bad athlete. People compare him to Harden since Harden is kind of awkward, but Harden is pretty explosive and on a different level in terms of guile and ball-handling.

Pretty much this. More of a screen runner than a shot creator. The DraftExpress videos break his game down well.

[KG Living Legend]

 I don't even think it's debatable who was the better scorer last year. Both played for the two of the best teams in the country.

 Murray played with even more talent than Ingram . Ingram avg 17.3 ppg while Murray avg 20 ppg even. I love Buddy Hield's character, but Hield avg 7.8 ppg at the same age. Taking Hield over Murray would be idiotic.

 

[mr. dee]

 I don't even think it's debatable who was the better scorer last year. Both played for the two of the best teams in the country.

 Murray played with even more talent than Ingram . Ingram avg 17.3 ppg while Murray avg 20 ppg even. I love Buddy Hield's character, but Hield avg 7.8 ppg at the same age. Taking Hield over Murray would be idiotic.

 

Tell that to Sacramento and Minnesota who drafted a freshman and sophomore player over a junior that happened to be Steph Curry.

[KG Living Legend]

 Curry avg 21.5 ppg his freshman year, Similar to Murray, so not a great example. Interestingly Curry only avg 2.8 apg his freshman year playing more as a two guard like Murray.

 I believe Murray has much more to offer as a passer and ball handler as a pro. Curry maxed out at 5.6 apg in college. And maxed out at 8.5 apg in the NBA.

 Murray has the potential to be a 5 apg player in the NBA IMO.

[dannyboy35]

I can't tell on Murray . I just can't tell how legit the " not enough of an athlete stuff is true and if so, how much it would effect him.

[LooseCannon]

This team needs offense and Scoring.

I'd say the team needs shooting and scoring from the non-guard positions, but not someone who gets all his offense in the paint.

 Cannon, not sure what your typing about here. Murray attempted 7.7 three's per game and shot a high%.

 He's dominated the workouts by draining everything 5 feet behind the stripe.

 He has it all offensively. He posts up smaller guards, you have to close out on him with his crazy shooting ability, he has fantastic handles and can create for himself and others, he has floaters, mid range game.

 He's the kid you went to school with that's the best at everything. His hand eye coordination is elite, for the people that question his athleticism he jumps nearly 40". He can hammer home dunks when needed.

 Steph Curry minus the passing, he can pass just not like Steph.

I'm saying the biggest need is a non-guard who can help on the offense, but not a non-guard whose offense is wholly inside.  More offense from the backcourt is not a huge need.