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« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2016, 09:39:35 AM »

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Kenny Smith with more athleticism.

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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2016, 10:37:16 AM »

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I think a lot of people underrate how many parts of the nba game will actually be easier for Hield. The spacing is better in the nba and defenses will have more to worry about besides him. He'll thrive under those conditions.

He won't be known as a slasher, but again with more spacing and his killer outside shot he will be able to utilize drives more. Not like James Harden, but enough to be more than just a shooter.

I also think Hield can play some at the 3 in small ball lineups which could be deadly.

His defensive ceiling is much lower, but defense is mostly effort and intelligence and he's got both. With a coach who demands it, he'll be adequate.

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« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2016, 10:54:59 AM »

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Also, people rarely talk about his footwork. Great footwork. Footwork is so important and indicative of control.

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« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2016, 11:13:55 AM »

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Hield feels like hell be somewhere between less athletic JJ Reddick and shorter Doug McDermott.
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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2016, 01:29:17 PM »

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Player comparisons are tough, because people come at from three different angles.
1) Players actual play style and effectiveness (ala Meeks, Reddick comparisons)
2) What they want a player to be (ala Curry, Harden comparisons)
3) Superficial comparisons like skin color and size. (not so prevalent with Hield, but are moreso prevalent with foreigners and white guys)

I'm saying that Hield's game will translate to the pros. He will probably be a solid starting two guard in the NBA. However, his play style will largely be that of a role player: spot up shooter, attacking closeouts, defending his position, and helping on the boards.

I don't think he will add a lot of versatility on defense. I don't think he can play with the ball in his hands very much. He is a solid NBA wing.

That, however, does not mean he is worth a 3rd pick.

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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2016, 01:35:22 PM »

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Player comparisons are tough, because people come at from three different angles.
1) Players actual play style and effectiveness (ala Meeks, Reddick comparisons)
2) What they want a player to be (ala Curry, Harden comparisons)
3) Superficial comparisons like skin color and size. (not so prevalent with Hield, but are moreso prevalent with foreigners and white guys)

I'm saying that Hield's game will translate to the pros. He will probably be a solid starting two guard in the NBA. However, his play style will largely be that of a role player: spot up shooter, attacking closeouts, defending his position, and helping on the boards.

I don't think he will add a lot of versatility on defense. I don't think he can play with the ball in his hands very much. He is a solid NBA wing.

That, however, does not mean he is worth a 3rd pick.

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« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2016, 01:40:05 PM »

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Hield feels like hell be somewhere between less athletic JJ Reddick and shorter Doug McDermott.

I wonder how many people would want to take him with a top pick if his name were Brett McHeeld or Bogdan Heldovic and his appearance were a little lighter.
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« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2016, 02:16:15 PM »

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Instead of drafting Hield with our 3rd pick:
Sign Allen Crabbe
Trade 3rd pick 4 Okafor
Trade AB and IT
4
Jabari and Henson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWGG0UXX-ZQ

shows Jabari's athleticism in a game^^


Smart
Crabbe
Jabari- he will hit the 3 eventually, green light from 3,
Okafor- same as Jabari, except needs to get jumper 15ft and in, better shape
Henson- He's a late blooming Rudy gobert

This team's stock/trade value would go through the roof after a season. Okafor and jabari will have a much better jumper, and when that happens they will be worth a lot.

Here's a tidbit - real basketball is not like fantasy basketball. That would be, hands down, the worst defensive team in the league. The team would win under 30 games and all of these players would be worth less than it would take to acquire them today.
I thought it was obvious that this was if DA went in a different direction/rebuild. BTW, who is bad defensively? Okafor was a 280 lb rookie. I'll take what I saw from him last year, including the bad job on rotations and defending stretch 4's, because he can transform his body a lot in a year especially since he already has the muscle and legit mass to work with....that's just my opinion.

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« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2016, 02:20:38 PM »

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I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2016, 02:26:36 PM »

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« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2016, 02:45:29 PM »

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How can he be compared to both Curry and Harden, two players who have two very different strengths?

Both have similar offensive game and can play either off and on the ball minus the passing. Both have step back jumpers and quick with the release. Hield is an improved finisher on the rim with 59%. Curry didn't improve his ball-handling until he reached the pros. Was predicted to struggle against NBA level defenders.

Hield won't have much that problem because CBS' pace and space will provide him open looks. While he may have to improve his ball handling more, he can play for this team in day one with his shooting and defensive awareness. Imagine if Hield is the one taking shots from IT's kickouts, instead of Smart, Turner and Sully?

Thank u!  I was hoping hunter would be that guy and I think ainge has been searching for that especially with drafting young.  Hunter just doesn't have the confidence or game to be a dead eye shooter.  I liken him to turner...a do everything guy but not great at any one thing.  That's nothing to scoff at either as I think that has a significant place on this team, but Heild may be that sharp shooter they need and have been looking for. Bradley's gonna need some blow plus he has some injury history.  You don't waste a pick like this...you get buddy Heild.

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« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2016, 02:49:23 PM »

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I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2016, 03:07:52 PM »

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Instead of drafting Hield with our 3rd pick:
Sign Allen Crabbe
Trade 3rd pick 4 Okafor
Trade AB and IT
4
Jabari and Henson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWGG0UXX-ZQ

shows Jabari's athleticism in a game^^


Smart
Crabbe
Jabari- he will hit the 3 eventually, green light from 3,
Okafor- same as Jabari, except needs to get jumper 15ft and in, better shape
Henson- He's a late blooming Rudy gobert

This team's stock/trade value would go through the roof after a season. Okafor and jabari will have a much better jumper, and when that happens they will be worth a lot.

Here's a tidbit - real basketball is not like fantasy basketball. That would be, hands down, the worst defensive team in the league. The team would win under 30 games and all of these players would be worth less than it would take to acquire them today.
I thought it was obvious that this was if DA went in a different direction/rebuild. BTW, who is bad defensively? Okafor was a 280 lb rookie. I'll take what I saw from him last year, including the bad job on rotations and defending stretch 4's, because he can transform his body a lot in a year especially since he already has the muscle and legit mass to work with....that's just my opinion.

Have you ever put yourself out on CB with a prediction of a player?

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Then why don't you use the search and get some facts. Please do research me and my predictions, and how I put myself out there to the extreme. The fact that I would need to search you is laughable.

Bet: I'll take guys mocked late in next years draft and you can take any 3(even the top 3) and we will see who should be giving the tidbits/smug little comments. Also I havent changed these 3 and predicted them 2 years ago on here....SEARCH IT

Bam Bam
Thomas Bryant
Dennis Smith Jr

with Jeanne being a project but will be a good NBA asset eventually.

And none of that has anything to do with your earlier absurd post. So let's not...



Let's go back to your *ahem* brilliant idea and look at it again. You advocated a team of:

Smart
Crabbe
Jabari
Okafor
Henson

Do you realize how bad that team would be? Do you have any clue?

1. Defensively, that team would get killed inside. Jabari and Okafor are awful defensive payers. Henson has gotten better from his earlier days but he's still not a great help defender. Needless to say, once the ball got inside teams would have a field day with that squad. Marcus Smart may be such an exceptional defender that je can defend 4 positions, but he can't defend them all at the same time.

2. That team has no ball handler. It would struggle to get the ball past half court. Of course, given that a couple of these guys are so slow that might help them. After all, once the ball is stolen out of someone's hands at least Okafor and Parker will still be lumbering away in the back court.

3. If it did manage to get the ball over half court, there's no one who can pass the basketball. That team combined averaged 11 assists....per 36 minutes! Do you realize how bad that is? Rondo averaged more assists per 36 than that entire squad. No one on that team is getting an easy layup all year long.

4. That team has no chance of stretching the defense. Crabbe is the only one you'd have to respect outside of 15 feet. None of the others are a worry. Are you going to respect Smart's 25% 3 point game? Parker's 25% 3 point game? Okafor and Henson are so bad at that range they took a whopping 7 whole attempts the entire season. That team would be incredibly easy to defend - just collapse the defense and wait for the inevitable brick or bad pass.

So you think that these guys would be worth more after losing 60 games and their offensive statistics somehow better when they're forced to create every single shot (due to no playmakers) against a sagging defense possession after possession, game after game?

Again, that's the difference between fantasy basketball and the real thing. What you posted was a laughable "fantasy basketball" post that simply couldn't work in the real world under any circumstances.


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« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2016, 03:13:36 PM »

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I don't think Jodie Meeks had the alpha dog mentality that Buddy Hield has.

He's also a better all around offensive player than Jodie Meeks was when he was in Kentucky. I think the comparison is a little off.
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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2016, 04:10:43 PM »

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I don't think Jodie Meeks had the alpha dog mentality that Buddy Hield has.

He's also a better all around offensive player than Jodie Meeks was when he was in Kentucky. I think the comparison is a little off.

At Kentucky he was the Alpha Dog. In fact, I think one of the reasons he fell was because he might not be able to fit into a role on offense instead of being the Alpha Dog.

I agree Hield is a better all-around offensive player than Meeks, but in the NBA, their role and effectiveness will be similar.