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Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2016, 09:38:50 AM »

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Sabonis....  it doesn't matter anymore

3rd, 8th, 11th

Just don't lose this kid

There are more Jamal Murray, Hield type guards you could get later.  For example Brogdon.  h e is a little older but just as well rounded. Fantastic 3 pt shooter. And actually has a better defensive upside than both.   Proper guard size, length, explosiveness

I like jaylen brown and have him going third for now. But you could instead grab blossomgame. Similar type of game/explosive athlete 6'7 , 7'0 wingspan. But blossomgame can shoot the ball.  Better passer too .  Not as strong

Sabonis with #3 ? Are you high man?

Nope.  Trade down to 7th to grab him

Just don't wait to 16. He will be gone

We need rebounding and a good frontcourt player ready to play to replace sully, Zeller. Who knows amir might not be back

Yes, please let's draft another big who can't finish

Are you serious?  Lol

He had one of the highest fg percentage of all of college ball last season. He knows how to finish, score efficiently around the basket

At the NBA, maybe won't be able to at the same rate. But he will do a better job in scoring around the post than sully, ko

My bad, I thought I saw you advocating for Ellenson.

Allow me to amend.

Yes, please, let's draft another big who can't defend in space and who gets his shot blocked frequently.
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Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #76 on: May 18, 2016, 11:38:42 AM »

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Jahlil Okafor out of the Philadelphia Trash Heap!

Philly won't trade him unless it's for the 2nd pick imo

Embiid is still a wildcard. Better for them to keep both or all three Noel, Embiid, okafor
I think they might do something like 3, 23, Rozier for Okafor or maybe we give them 16 instead of 23 and get 24 back.  They supposedly like Dunn a great deal and badly need the guard help (which they won't get at 1).  I think that trade makes a good deal of sense for both teams especially since Simmons and Saric are both more of a PF than SF (and thus they really have a big man problem).  So Philly if they make that move has a starting 5 of Noel, Simmons, Covington, Free Agent, Dunn with Embiid, Rozier, Thompson, other rookies
Well Simmons can play the guard role

Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #77 on: May 18, 2016, 12:22:31 PM »

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Sabonis....  it doesn't matter anymore

3rd, 8th, 11th

Just don't lose this kid

There are more Jamal Murray, Hield type guards you could get later.  For example Brogdon.  h e is a little older but just as well rounded. Fantastic 3 pt shooter. And actually has a better defensive upside than both.   Proper guard size, length, explosiveness

I like jaylen brown and have him going third for now. But you could instead grab blossomgame. Similar type of game/explosive athlete 6'7 , 7'0 wingspan. But blossomgame can shoot the ball.  Better passer too .  Not as strong

Sabonis with #3 ? Are you high man?

Nope.  Trade down to 7th to grab him

Just don't wait to 16. He will be gone

We need rebounding and a good frontcourt player ready to play to replace sully, Zeller. Who knows amir might not be back

Yes, please let's draft another big who can't finish

Are you serious?  Lol

He had one of the highest fg percentage of all of college ball last season. He knows how to finish, score efficiently around the basket

At the NBA, maybe won't be able to at the same rate. But he will do a better job in scoring around the post than sully, ko

My bad, I thought I saw you advocating for Ellenson.

Allow me to amend.

Yes, please, let's draft another big who can't defend in space and who gets his shot blocked frequently.

Do you have the wrong player again??

Sabonis is an underrated perimeter defender.  He is not wcs Quick but Quicker than KO.   

Also he didn't get his shot blocked left and right.  He was not at the top nor bottom of the list.   He knows how to score against length

Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #78 on: May 18, 2016, 12:42:48 PM »

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Whomever, does the best in our workouts.  Depends on the video you watch, I have one of this strengths and weaknesses.   

On Bender:

Weaknesses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhREj9q-UpM

His shot takes forever to wind up on his shot.  Plenty of stuff to be concerned about on the weakness one.   I won't harp on it.


Strengths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Epg_sBZq4

Does move well, but does not always do solid stuff once he gets there. 

This kid clearly prefers the perimeter play.   We will still need a PF and C if he is the guy.   His poor vertical is pretty bad.   I think he does need to be locked in the Gym.   It would help him to workout with McHale or whomever bigs we get in the draft, we need to sign Kevin ASAP. 

I am not sure that Ainge has the patience to let a guy develop when he is trying to improve the team each year.  Will he take a project when he is trying to win now?  I just do not see it.

Both those video reports were made way back last Fall, in November of 2015. 

I'm sure Schmidt (DraftExpress' video report dude) will be posting an updated one prior to the draft.

In the mean time, to see more current video of Bender playing, you'll have to sift through the tons of game video from the Maccabi Tel Aviv team's channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/MaccabiTLVBasketball

The vids for this current season are at:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCWRG1vLyuBLEpOb9CgkEj7MKGSgaX1mt

It is a non-trivial task sifting through all that, but there is a lot buried in there that has Bender on the floor - not necessarily featured as part of the play.
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Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #79 on: May 18, 2016, 12:56:15 PM »

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Jahlil Okafor out of the Philadelphia Trash Heap!

Philly won't trade him unless it's for the 2nd pick imo

Embiid is still a wildcard. Better for them to keep both or all three Noel, Embiid, okafor
I think they might do something like 3, 23, Rozier for Okafor or maybe we give them 16 instead of 23 and get 24 back.  They supposedly like Dunn a great deal and badly need the guard help (which they won't get at 1).  I think that trade makes a good deal of sense for both teams especially since Simmons and Saric are both more of a PF than SF (and thus they really have a big man problem).  So Philly if they make that move has a starting 5 of Noel, Simmons, Covington, Free Agent, Dunn with Embiid, Rozier, Thompson, other rookies

How about:

Philly gets:  #3 & #16 plus (pick your salary filler)
Boston gets:  Okafur, rights to Dario Saric

NBA Officiating - Corrupt?  Incompetent?  Which is worse?  Does it matter?  It sucks.

Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #80 on: May 18, 2016, 01:07:59 PM »

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Sabonis....  it doesn't matter anymore

3rd, 8th, 11th

Just don't lose this kid

There are more Jamal Murray, Hield type guards you could get later.  For example Brogdon.  h e is a little older but just as well rounded. Fantastic 3 pt shooter. And actually has a better defensive upside than both.   Proper guard size, length, explosiveness

I like jaylen brown and have him going third for now. But you could instead grab blossomgame. Similar type of game/explosive athlete 6'7 , 7'0 wingspan. But blossomgame can shoot the ball.  Better passer too .  Not as strong

Sabonis with #3 ? Are you high man?

Nope.  Trade down to 7th to grab him

Just don't wait to 16. He will be gone

We need rebounding and a good frontcourt player ready to play to replace sully, Zeller. Who knows amir might not be back

Yes, please let's draft another big who can't finish

Are you serious?  Lol

He had one of the highest fg percentage of all of college ball last season. He knows how to finish, score efficiently around the basket

At the NBA, maybe won't be able to at the same rate. But he will do a better job in scoring around the post than sully, ko

My bad, I thought I saw you advocating for Ellenson.

Allow me to amend.

Yes, please, let's draft another big who can't defend in space and who gets his shot blocked frequently.

Do you have the wrong player again??

Sabonis is an underrated perimeter defender.  He is not wcs Quick but Quicker than KO.   

Also he didn't get his shot blocked left and right.  He was not at the top nor bottom of the list.   He knows how to score against length

At this point I'm assuming you and Domantas are friends or something. Your advocacy for him makes you sound like you're personally invested in him getting drafted as high as possible.
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Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #81 on: May 18, 2016, 09:12:46 PM »

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Sabonis....  it doesn't matter anymore

3rd, 8th, 11th

Just don't lose this kid

There are more Jamal Murray, Hield type guards you could get later.  For example Brogdon.  h e is a little older but just as well rounded. Fantastic 3 pt shooter. And actually has a better defensive upside than both.   Proper guard size, length, explosiveness

I like jaylen brown and have him going third for now. But you could instead grab blossomgame. Similar type of game/explosive athlete 6'7 , 7'0 wingspan. But blossomgame can shoot the ball.  Better passer too .  Not as strong

Sabonis with #3 ? Are you high man?

Nope.  Trade down to 7th to grab him

Just don't wait to 16. He will be gone

We need rebounding and a good frontcourt player ready to play to replace sully, Zeller. Who knows amir might not be back

Yes, please let's draft another big who can't finish

Are you serious?  Lol

He had one of the highest fg percentage of all of college ball last season. He knows how to finish, score efficiently around the basket

At the NBA, maybe won't be able to at the same rate. But he will do a better job in scoring around the post than sully, ko

My bad, I thought I saw you advocating for Ellenson.

Allow me to amend.

Yes, please, let's draft another big who can't defend in space and who gets his shot blocked frequently.

Do you have the wrong player again??

Sabonis is an underrated perimeter defender.  He is not wcs Quick but Quicker than KO.   

Also he didn't get his shot blocked left and right.  He was not at the top nor bottom of the list.   He knows how to score against length

At this point I'm assuming you and Domantas are friends or something. Your advocacy for him makes you sound like you're personally invested in him getting drafted as high as possible.
I feel the same way. I hope we trade up or down to get him. He keeps getting better and he is focused.
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Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #82 on: May 18, 2016, 09:22:43 PM »

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Both those video reports were made way back last Fall, in November of 2015. 

I'm sure Schmidt (DraftExpress' video report dude) will be posting an updated one prior to the draft.

In the mean time, to see more current video of Bender playing, you'll have to sift through the tons of game video from the Maccabi Tel Aviv team's channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/MaccabiTLVBasketball

The vids for this current season are at:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCWRG1vLyuBLEpOb9CgkEj7MKGSgaX1mt

It is a non-trivial task sifting through all that, but there is a lot buried in there that has Bender on the floor - not necessarily featured as part of the play.

Thanks after watching some of that league, I definitely do not want him.  That league is not on par with good D1 teams.  The bigs are horrible on D.

Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #83 on: May 18, 2016, 09:28:32 PM »

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Sabonis....  it doesn't matter anymore

3rd, 8th, 11th

Just don't lose this kid

There are more Jamal Murray, Hield type guards you could get later.  For example Brogdon.  h e is a little older but just as well rounded. Fantastic 3 pt shooter. And actually has a better defensive upside than both.   Proper guard size, length, explosiveness

I like jaylen brown and have him going third for now. But you could instead grab blossomgame. Similar type of game/explosive athlete 6'7 , 7'0 wingspan. But blossomgame can shoot the ball.  Better passer too .  Not as strong

Sabonis with #3 ? Are you high man?

Nope.  Trade down to 7th to grab him

Just don't wait to 16. He will be gone

We need rebounding and a good frontcourt player ready to play to replace sully, Zeller. Who knows amir might not be back

Yes, please let's draft another big who can't finish

Are you serious?  Lol

He had one of the highest fg percentage of all of college ball last season. He knows how to finish, score efficiently around the basket

At the NBA, maybe won't be able to at the same rate. But he will do a better job in scoring around the post than sully, ko

My bad, I thought I saw you advocating for Ellenson.

Allow me to amend.

Yes, please, let's draft another big who can't defend in space and who gets his shot blocked frequently.

Do you have the wrong player again??

Sabonis is an underrated perimeter defender.  He is not wcs Quick but Quicker than KO.   

Also he didn't get his shot blocked left and right.  He was not at the top nor bottom of the list.   He knows how to score against length

At this point I'm assuming you and Domantas are friends or something. Your advocacy for him makes you sound like you're personally invested in him getting drafted as high as possible.

This kid is special. I'm telling you

Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #84 on: May 18, 2016, 09:51:23 PM »

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Sabonis....  it doesn't matter anymore

3rd, 8th, 11th

Just don't lose this kid

There are more Jamal Murray, Hield type guards you could get later.  For example Brogdon.  h e is a little older but just as well rounded. Fantastic 3 pt shooter. And actually has a better defensive upside than both.   Proper guard size, length, explosiveness

I like jaylen brown and have him going third for now. But you could instead grab blossomgame. Similar type of game/explosive athlete 6'7 , 7'0 wingspan. But blossomgame can shoot the ball.  Better passer too .  Not as strong

Sabonis with #3 ? Are you high man?

Nope.  Trade down to 7th to grab him

Just don't wait to 16. He will be gone

We need rebounding and a good frontcourt player ready to play to replace sully, Zeller. Who knows amir might not be back

Yes, please let's draft another big who can't finish

Are you serious?  Lol

He had one of the highest fg percentage of all of college ball last season. He knows how to finish, score efficiently around the basket

At the NBA, maybe won't be able to at the same rate. But he will do a better job in scoring around the post than sully, ko

My bad, I thought I saw you advocating for Ellenson.

Allow me to amend.

Yes, please, let's draft another big who can't defend in space and who gets his shot blocked frequently.

Do you have the wrong player again??

Sabonis is an underrated perimeter defender.  He is not wcs Quick but Quicker than KO.   

Also he didn't get his shot blocked left and right.  He was not at the top nor bottom of the list.   He knows how to score against length

At this point I'm assuming you and Domantas are friends or something. Your advocacy for him makes you sound like you're personally invested in him getting drafted as high as possible.

This kid is special. I'm telling you

He does have intriguing stats.  If we ended up somehow with Hield and Sabonis, then Wiltjer in the second round with a couple of stash guys for the future like Antic and Zi, I'd be pretty happy.

Sabonis plays the game with a ferocity I like.

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« Reply #85 on: May 18, 2016, 10:19:51 PM »

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Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #86 on: May 18, 2016, 10:37:16 PM »

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Sabonis....  it doesn't matter anymore

3rd, 8th, 11th

Just don't lose this kid

There are more Jamal Murray, Hield type guards you could get later.  For example Brogdon.  h e is a little older but just as well rounded. Fantastic 3 pt shooter. And actually has a better defensive upside than both.   Proper guard size, length, explosiveness

I like jaylen brown and have him going third for now. But you could instead grab blossomgame. Similar type of game/explosive athlete 6'7 , 7'0 wingspan. But blossomgame can shoot the ball.  Better passer too .  Not as strong

Sabonis with #3 ? Are you high man?

Nope.  Trade down to 7th to grab him

Just don't wait to 16. He will be gone

We need rebounding and a good frontcourt player ready to play to replace sully, Zeller. Who knows amir might not be back

Yes, please let's draft another big who can't finish

Are you serious?  Lol

He had one of the highest fg percentage of all of college ball last season. He knows how to finish, score efficiently around the basket

At the NBA, maybe won't be able to at the same rate. But he will do a better job in scoring around the post than sully, ko

My bad, I thought I saw you advocating for Ellenson.

Allow me to amend.

Yes, please, let's draft another big who can't defend in space and who gets his shot blocked frequently.

Do you have the wrong player again??

Sabonis is an underrated perimeter defender.  He is not wcs Quick but Quicker than KO.   

Also he didn't get his shot blocked left and right.  He was not at the top nor bottom of the list.   He knows how to score against length

At this point I'm assuming you and Domantas are friends or something. Your advocacy for him makes you sound like you're personally invested in him getting drafted as high as possible.

This kid is special. I'm telling you
he's this year's Mickey apparently

Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #87 on: May 18, 2016, 10:38:54 PM »

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Jahlil Okafor out of the Philadelphia Trash Heap!

Philly won't trade him unless it's for the 2nd pick imo

Embiid is still a wildcard. Better for them to keep both or all three Noel, Embiid, okafor
I think they might do something like 3, 23, Rozier for Okafor or maybe we give them 16 instead of 23 and get 24 back.  They supposedly like Dunn a great deal and badly need the guard help (which they won't get at 1).  I think that trade makes a good deal of sense for both teams especially since Simmons and Saric are both more of a PF than SF (and thus they really have a big man problem).  So Philly if they make that move has a starting 5 of Noel, Simmons, Covington, Free Agent, Dunn with Embiid, Rozier, Thompson, other rookies

How about:

Philly gets:  #3 & #16 plus (pick your salary filler)
Boston gets:  Okafur, rights to Dario Saric

I could live with that.  I think Philly hangs up on that though.

Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #88 on: May 18, 2016, 10:44:07 PM »

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Sabonis....  it doesn't matter anymore

3rd, 8th, 11th

Just don't lose this kid

There are more Jamal Murray, Hield type guards you could get later.  For example Brogdon.  h e is a little older but just as well rounded. Fantastic 3 pt shooter. And actually has a better defensive upside than both.   Proper guard size, length, explosiveness

I like jaylen brown and have him going third for now. But you could instead grab blossomgame. Similar type of game/explosive athlete 6'7 , 7'0 wingspan. But blossomgame can shoot the ball.  Better passer too .  Not as strong

Sabonis with #3 ? Are you high man?

Nope.  Trade down to 7th to grab him

Just don't wait to 16. He will be gone

We need rebounding and a good frontcourt player ready to play to replace sully, Zeller. Who knows amir might not be back

Yes, please let's draft another big who can't finish

Are you serious?  Lol

He had one of the highest fg percentage of all of college ball last season. He knows how to finish, score efficiently around the basket

At the NBA, maybe won't be able to at the same rate. But he will do a better job in scoring around the post than sully, ko

My bad, I thought I saw you advocating for Ellenson.

Allow me to amend.

Yes, please, let's draft another big who can't defend in space and who gets his shot blocked frequently.

Do you have the wrong player again??

Sabonis is an underrated perimeter defender.  He is not wcs Quick but Quicker than KO.   

Also he didn't get his shot blocked left and right.  He was not at the top nor bottom of the list.   He knows how to score against length

At this point I'm assuming you and Domantas are friends or something. Your advocacy for him makes you sound like you're personally invested in him getting drafted as high as possible.

This kid is special. I'm telling you
he's this year's Mickey apparently

Would like to see Sabonis and Mickey out on the court at the same time actually. Good balance
Mickey will make a contribution next season

Re: With the Third Pick in the NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics select...
« Reply #89 on: May 18, 2016, 10:46:44 PM »

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Jahlil Okafor out of the Philadelphia Trash Heap!

Philly won't trade him unless it's for the 2nd pick imo

Embiid is still a wildcard. Better for them to keep both or all three Noel, Embiid, okafor
I think they might do something like 3, 23, Rozier for Okafor or maybe we give them 16 instead of 23 and get 24 back.  They supposedly like Dunn a great deal and badly need the guard help (which they won't get at 1).  I think that trade makes a good deal of sense for both teams especially since Simmons and Saric are both more of a PF than SF (and thus they really have a big man problem).  So Philly if they make that move has a starting 5 of Noel, Simmons, Covington, Free Agent, Dunn with Embiid, Rozier, Thompson, other rookies

How about:

Philly gets:  #3 & #16 plus (pick your salary filler)
Boston gets:  Okafur, rights to Dario Saric

I think most see Okafor as being better than anyone available at #3.

Saric apparently was a legit prospect who I'm guessing is a heck of a lot more valuable than #16.