Vlade Wants To Keep DeMarcus Cousins But Willing To Test Market For First Time

[SparzWizard]

2016 Nets, Mavs, and Celts Picks, Smart and/or AB for Cousins (and Casspi if possible)

I'd do that happily. My only concern is what number would Boogie wear? Maybe Tommy let's him wear #15, but that seems unlikely. I doubt #5 is available either. We're also going to have trouble getting KD a suitable number, because I strongly doubt he's wearing Lewis' #35.

Let Cousins wear #7 when Sully walks out that door. Let Durant wear #20. Win/win!

[jdz101]

Lakers might make a play for him. Means he doesn't move far, and can be the man in LA.

[max215]

2016 Nets, Mavs, and Celts Picks, Smart and/or AB for Cousins (and Casspi if possible)

I'd do that happily. My only concern is what number would Boogie wear? Maybe Tommy let's him wear #15, but that seems unlikely. I doubt #5 is available either. We're also going to have trouble getting KD a suitable number, because I strongly doubt he's wearing Lewis' #35.

Let Cousins wear #7 when Sully walks out that door. Let Durant wear #20. Win/win!

That's good with me. The question is which one do I buy first? Boogie is one of my favorite players, but I love KD too.

[SparzWizard]

2016 Nets, Mavs, and Celts Picks, Smart and/or AB for Cousins (and Casspi if possible)

I'd do that happily. My only concern is what number would Boogie wear? Maybe Tommy let's him wear #15, but that seems unlikely. I doubt #5 is available either. We're also going to have trouble getting KD a suitable number, because I strongly doubt he's wearing Lewis' #35.

Let Cousins wear #7 when Sully walks out that door. Let Durant wear #20. Win/win!

That's good with me. The question is which one do I buy first? Boogie is one of my favorite players, but I love KD too.

The former comes first! Boogie it is 

[TheSundanceKid]

Id easily trade the Brooklyn pick for him. No doubt in my mind. Id also consider adding Smart, but Id rather not.

Would likely cost Smart/AB, Brk 16, Dal 16 and KO . They likely also want an additional Brk pick .......

Well that's not worth it. Players are like stocks and Cousins stock is volitile right now with only 2 years left on his deal. The Kings HAVE to trade him because there is no way in hell he is resigning there.

If we end up with the 1st or 2nd pick you could make the case that it is not worth it for us to trade JUST that pick for Cousins because of his behavior and years on his deal, because he could bolt.

I want Cousins because IMO that would prob make us Durant's #1 choice by far, especially since we could sign Ibaka/ Durant the next year. But getting Cousins should only cost us a pick and if it is the first pick then maybe even
1st pick,16th pick
4
Cousins + 8th pick

Yea I don't really see the kings giving up the best center in the league, and the 8th pick just for a rookie who may never hit cousins level (with his mentality and all) and the 16th pick.

We would have to go all in picks wise this year and include young assets to get their attention. And they wouldn't be including the 8th pick.

Cousins is damaged goods. He may command a top 2 pick and a few other picks but not like you are saying. I personally would sign Whiteside and keep our picks.

Whiteside isn't half the player Cousins is and will cost more. I understand people's reluctance to give up a top 2 pick, if that is where it lands, however we are building a team to compete in the next few years not in half a decade plus. It will take at least one Brooklyn pick, more likely two, for us to get ANY star in this league. That is the price we must be willing to pay. Yes we can go through FA but there is no guarantee to that. Also trading for Cousins or another star would not be at the expense of picking someone else up in FA.

His value is getting damaged more and more by the day. The organization needs to move on and they know it. Please remember:
1. Cousins does not have to re-sign with the Kings
2. Kings are not getting any FA's
3. RR is prob gone
4. Cousins has 2 years left and could bolt from whatever team he is traded to. Imagine giving up the next T-Mac/KD hybrid for a Cousins rental of 2 years......

Those are just some of the reasons why Cousins is not worth anymore than a top2 pick. Especially for the Kings who will be prob starting over again with a top pick in this draft, WCS, and a top pick in 2017 draft(if they trade Cousins)

True, however a star on a contract like his is hard to come by. In fact I can't think of another. Sacdomt have to trade him this summer, they could give it one more go this year. Plus we wouldn't be the only ones interested. Multiple interested parties will push up his price. Kevin Love cost Andrew Wiggins, at the time most saw that as an even trade.

I don't think Cousins is the type to bolt if he came here. He hasn't shown that as a personality trait. Compare him to Dwight Howard and you can see the difference.

A tuned in Cousins is the best center in the league, he's in his prime, fits a position of dire need and would be surrounded by some of the most down to earth guys in the league. Every even trade is a risk, but this one would be a risk worth taking

It's a even trade because it's Love+Lebon for wiggins
Now if Kings add WCS+2017pick i will start to consider it

Well Lebron had already come back. It was Love for Wiggins with some input from LeBron. Whether the trade happened or not wouldn't have affected Lebrons decision to come back, it had already happened. No doubt he influenced the trade though.

Point is you can't have everything. 10 years of Simmons is great but it probably means moving on from IT, Bradley and Crowder. Adding Simmons to this group doesn't equal a title and by the time he hits his prime the others will be moving out of theirs.

So it becomes about team philosophy. Are we building a contender now or are we using the Brooklyn picks to fuel a rebuild? I think we're looking to contend now and that means paying the price for a star.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Id easily trade the Brooklyn pick for him. No doubt in my mind. Id also consider adding Smart, but Id rather not.

Would likely cost Smart/AB, Brk 16, Dal 16 and KO . They likely also want an additional Brk pick .......

Well that's not worth it. Players are like stocks and Cousins stock is volitile right now with only 2 years left on his deal. The Kings HAVE to trade him because there is no way in hell he is resigning there.

If we end up with the 1st or 2nd pick you could make the case that it is not worth it for us to trade JUST that pick for Cousins because of his behavior and years on his deal, because he could bolt.

I want Cousins because IMO that would prob make us Durant's #1 choice by far, especially since we could sign Ibaka/ Durant the next year. But getting Cousins should only cost us a pick and if it is the first pick then maybe even
1st pick,16th pick
4
Cousins + 8th pick

Yea I don't really see the kings giving up the best center in the league, and the 8th pick just for a rookie who may never hit cousins level (with his mentality and all) and the 16th pick.

We would have to go all in picks wise this year and include young assets to get their attention. And they wouldn't be including the 8th pick.

Cousins is damaged goods. He may command a top 2 pick and a few other picks but not like you are saying. I personally would sign Whiteside and keep our picks.

Whiteside isn't half the player Cousins is and will cost more. I understand people's reluctance to give up a top 2 pick, if that is where it lands, however we are building a team to compete in the next few years not in half a decade plus. It will take at least one Brooklyn pick, more likely two, for us to get ANY star in this league. That is the price we must be willing to pay. Yes we can go through FA but there is no guarantee to that. Also trading for Cousins or another star would not be at the expense of picking someone else up in FA.

His value is getting damaged more and more by the day. The organization needs to move on and they know it. Please remember:
1. Cousins does not have to re-sign with the Kings
2. Kings are not getting any FA's
3. RR is prob gone
4. Cousins has 2 years left and could bolt from whatever team he is traded to. Imagine giving up the next T-Mac/KD hybrid for a Cousins rental of 2 years......

Those are just some of the reasons why Cousins is not worth anymore than a top2 pick. Especially for the Kings who will be prob starting over again with a top pick in this draft, WCS, and a top pick in 2017 draft(if they trade Cousins)

True, however a star on a contract like his is hard to come by. In fact I can't think of another. Sacdomt have to trade him this summer, they could give it one more go this year. Plus we wouldn't be the only ones interested. Multiple interested parties will push up his price. Kevin Love cost Andrew Wiggins, at the time most saw that as an even trade.

I don't think Cousins is the type to bolt if he came here. He hasn't shown that as a personality trait. Compare him to Dwight Howard and you can see the difference.

A tuned in Cousins is the best center in the league, he's in his prime, fits a position of dire need and would be surrounded by some of the most down to earth guys in the league. Every even trade is a risk, but this one would be a risk worth taking

It's a even trade because it's Love+Lebon for wiggins
Now if Kings add WCS+2017pick i will start to consider it

Well Lebron had already come back. It was Love for Wiggins with some input from LeBron. Whether the trade happened or not wouldn't have affected Lebrons decision to come back, it had already happened. No doubt he influenced the trade though.

Point is you can't have everything. 10 years of Simmons is great but it probably means moving on from IT, Bradley and Crowder. Adding Simmons to this group doesn't equal a title and by the time he hits his prime the others will be moving out of theirs.

So it becomes about team philosophy. Are we building a contender now or are we using the Brooklyn picks to fuel a rebuild? I think we're looking to contend now and that means paying the price for a star.

You still do not understand what I have said. Cousins is a 2 year rental, with huge attitude problems, and his value decreases every day because of his contract and relationship with Kings.

We are not buying Cousins for the rest of his career, he is a free person not a slave, so he can do and go where he wants after 2 years. What happens if he does not get along with CBS or if he goes crazy (IMO he does not especially if we get Durant)....we are sol.

But for you to say we need to give all that for just 2 guaranteed years of Cousins is crazy talk.....especially with the 1st or 2nd pick.... come on dude. They're many variables and factors that go in to assessing someones trade value. Time will tell. But maybe you need to read up on Cousins and his problems with the Kings/ authority.

And we really could have had it all. My posts over the last 2 years prove it. But if we do get a top pick and trade for Cuz then we could sell Durant. Then we could hopefully get another top 8 pick from BKN the next 2 years. And we would have a crazy bench.

[TheSundanceKid]

Id easily trade the Brooklyn pick for him. No doubt in my mind. Id also consider adding Smart, but Id rather not.

Would likely cost Smart/AB, Brk 16, Dal 16 and KO . They likely also want an additional Brk pick .......

Well that's not worth it. Players are like stocks and Cousins stock is volitile right now with only 2 years left on his deal. The Kings HAVE to trade him because there is no way in hell he is resigning there.

If we end up with the 1st or 2nd pick you could make the case that it is not worth it for us to trade JUST that pick for Cousins because of his behavior and years on his deal, because he could bolt.

I want Cousins because IMO that would prob make us Durant's #1 choice by far, especially since we could sign Ibaka/ Durant the next year. But getting Cousins should only cost us a pick and if it is the first pick then maybe even
1st pick,16th pick
4
Cousins + 8th pick

Yea I don't really see the kings giving up the best center in the league, and the 8th pick just for a rookie who may never hit cousins level (with his mentality and all) and the 16th pick.

We would have to go all in picks wise this year and include young assets to get their attention. And they wouldn't be including the 8th pick.

Cousins is damaged goods. He may command a top 2 pick and a few other picks but not like you are saying. I personally would sign Whiteside and keep our picks.

Whiteside isn't half the player Cousins is and will cost more. I understand people's reluctance to give up a top 2 pick, if that is where it lands, however we are building a team to compete in the next few years not in half a decade plus. It will take at least one Brooklyn pick, more likely two, for us to get ANY star in this league. That is the price we must be willing to pay. Yes we can go through FA but there is no guarantee to that. Also trading for Cousins or another star would not be at the expense of picking someone else up in FA.

His value is getting damaged more and more by the day. The organization needs to move on and they know it. Please remember:
1. Cousins does not have to re-sign with the Kings
2. Kings are not getting any FA's
3. RR is prob gone
4. Cousins has 2 years left and could bolt from whatever team he is traded to. Imagine giving up the next T-Mac/KD hybrid for a Cousins rental of 2 years......

Those are just some of the reasons why Cousins is not worth anymore than a top2 pick. Especially for the Kings who will be prob starting over again with a top pick in this draft, WCS, and a top pick in 2017 draft(if they trade Cousins)

True, however a star on a contract like his is hard to come by. In fact I can't think of another. Sacdomt have to trade him this summer, they could give it one more go this year. Plus we wouldn't be the only ones interested. Multiple interested parties will push up his price. Kevin Love cost Andrew Wiggins, at the time most saw that as an even trade.

I don't think Cousins is the type to bolt if he came here. He hasn't shown that as a personality trait. Compare him to Dwight Howard and you can see the difference.

A tuned in Cousins is the best center in the league, he's in his prime, fits a position of dire need and would be surrounded by some of the most down to earth guys in the league. Every even trade is a risk, but this one would be a risk worth taking

It's a even trade because it's Love+Lebon for wiggins
Now if Kings add WCS+2017pick i will start to consider it

Well Lebron had already come back. It was Love for Wiggins with some input from LeBron. Whether the trade happened or not wouldn't have affected Lebrons decision to come back, it had already happened. No doubt he influenced the trade though.

Point is you can't have everything. 10 years of Simmons is great but it probably means moving on from IT, Bradley and Crowder. Adding Simmons to this group doesn't equal a title and by the time he hits his prime the others will be moving out of theirs.

So it becomes about team philosophy. Are we building a contender now or are we using the Brooklyn picks to fuel a rebuild? I think we're looking to contend now and that means paying the price for a star.

You still do not understand what I have said. Cousins is a 2 year rental, with huge attitude problems, and his value decreases every day because of his contract and relationship with Kings.

We are not buying Cousins for the rest of his career, he is a free person not a slave, so he can do and go where he wants after 2 years. What happens if he does not get along with CBS or if he goes crazy (IMO he does not especially if we get Durant)....we are sol.

But for you to say we need to give all that for just 2 guaranteed years of Cousins is crazy talk.....especially with the 1st or 2nd pick.... come on dude. They're many variables and factors that go in to assessing someones trade value. Time will tell. But maybe you need to read up on Cousins and his problems with the Kings/ authority.

And we really could have had it all. My posts over the last 2 years prove it. But if we do get a top pick and trade for Cuz then we could sell Durant. Then we could hopefully get another top 8 pick from BKN the next 2 years. And we would have a crazy bench.

No I understand and I agree with you to a certain extent. I understand that Cousins will be a FA in 2 years, after that it would cost a lot to retain him, if indeed he wanted to be retained.

But to call him a rental is a stretch. If it were Howard then ok. But Cousins has been loyal past what is necessary to the Kings. Arguably more loyal than KG was to Minny. He wants a home and he wants to build success. We can give him that. So I would have full confidence in retaining him.

My larger point is there is a certain cost to get a star. Hence my point about Love. Love had 1 year left on his contract and it cost the number 1 overall pick. Stars don't come cheap. I'm just laying out what that price is.

I've followed your posts so I get you. We could have gone full rebuild and had several top prospects each year for 2-3 years. It would have been one hell of a rebuild. In fact it's essentially what I'd be offering Sacramento. I would not have been upset if we had taken that direction, in fact it would have been really fun watching that team grow. But we didn't, we're following a different path now and really the best way of maximising it is to cash in on the Brooklyn picks for a star asset.

[CoachBo]

Smart, Olynyk and the 16 Brooklyn pick for Boogie. No Bradley.

As for the numbers, I'd like to see the Celtics put the retired numbers back on the floor - and put a uniform patch on them indicating who they were retired for. Like " 6 Russell" a little bit like Michigan football.

I'd be careful who got them. No rookies get a retired number. Would never put Bird's 33 on Smart. Have to be a star.

The weird uniform numbers like Amir and Crowder bug me.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Id easily trade the Brooklyn pick for him. No doubt in my mind. Id also consider adding Smart, but Id rather not.

Would likely cost Smart/AB, Brk 16, Dal 16 and KO . They likely also want an additional Brk pick .......

Well that's not worth it. Players are like stocks and Cousins stock is volitile right now with only 2 years left on his deal. The Kings HAVE to trade him because there is no way in hell he is resigning there.

If we end up with the 1st or 2nd pick you could make the case that it is not worth it for us to trade JUST that pick for Cousins because of his behavior and years on his deal, because he could bolt.

I want Cousins because IMO that would prob make us Durant's #1 choice by far, especially since we could sign Ibaka/ Durant the next year. But getting Cousins should only cost us a pick and if it is the first pick then maybe even
1st pick,16th pick
4
Cousins + 8th pick

Yea I don't really see the kings giving up the best center in the league, and the 8th pick just for a rookie who may never hit cousins level (with his mentality and all) and the 16th pick.

We would have to go all in picks wise this year and include young assets to get their attention. And they wouldn't be including the 8th pick.

Cousins is damaged goods. He may command a top 2 pick and a few other picks but not like you are saying. I personally would sign Whiteside and keep our picks.

Whiteside isn't half the player Cousins is and will cost more. I understand people's reluctance to give up a top 2 pick, if that is where it lands, however we are building a team to compete in the next few years not in half a decade plus. It will take at least one Brooklyn pick, more likely two, for us to get ANY star in this league. That is the price we must be willing to pay. Yes we can go through FA but there is no guarantee to that. Also trading for Cousins or another star would not be at the expense of picking someone else up in FA.

Whiteside is way more than half. he can still grow. Cousins is who he is. I think it is fool's gold for him to change. If we bring in two scorers we can have a defensive center and compete.

[CoachBo]

I would not be averse to the Whiteside alternative - if Cousins cannot be had.

[TheSundanceKid]

Id easily trade the Brooklyn pick for him. No doubt in my mind. Id also consider adding Smart, but Id rather not.

Would likely cost Smart/AB, Brk 16, Dal 16 and KO . They likely also want an additional Brk pick .......

Well that's not worth it. Players are like stocks and Cousins stock is volitile right now with only 2 years left on his deal. The Kings HAVE to trade him because there is no way in hell he is resigning there.

If we end up with the 1st or 2nd pick you could make the case that it is not worth it for us to trade JUST that pick for Cousins because of his behavior and years on his deal, because he could bolt.

I want Cousins because IMO that would prob make us Durant's #1 choice by far, especially since we could sign Ibaka/ Durant the next year. But getting Cousins should only cost us a pick and if it is the first pick then maybe even
1st pick,16th pick
4
Cousins + 8th pick

Yea I don't really see the kings giving up the best center in the league, and the 8th pick just for a rookie who may never hit cousins level (with his mentality and all) and the 16th pick.

We would have to go all in picks wise this year and include young assets to get their attention. And they wouldn't be including the 8th pick.

Cousins is damaged goods. He may command a top 2 pick and a few other picks but not like you are saying. I personally would sign Whiteside and keep our picks.

Whiteside isn't half the player Cousins is and will cost more. I understand people's reluctance to give up a top 2 pick, if that is where it lands, however we are building a team to compete in the next few years not in half a decade plus. It will take at least one Brooklyn pick, more likely two, for us to get ANY star in this league. That is the price we must be willing to pay. Yes we can go through FA but there is no guarantee to that. Also trading for Cousins or another star would not be at the expense of picking someone else up in FA.

Whiteside is way more than half. he can still grow. Cousins is who he is. I think it is fool's gold for him to change. If we bring in two scorers we can have a defensive center and compete.

I don't think it's fair to say he is who he is yet but if "all" he is happens to be the best center in the NBA then I'm ok with that. I exaggerated on Whiteside obviously.. I like his game, he's a great shot blocker. However I think we've shown very well how he can be beaten. And the way the top teams are playing I don't think Whiteside will have the same impact as Cousins would. But I do understand the reasoning that you don't have to give anything up for Whiteside. Except you do, you give up cap space which could be used to get someone else. In a trade for Cousins we would maintain most of the cap space which could be used to fill the SF slot.

For example in a trade that was Cousins and Belinelli for Amir, Jonas, KO, Young, BRK 16, BRK 18 (don't shoot me on the trade, it's just an example of salary matching) we would be taking on $1m in salary so we would still have room for another max FA. If we signed Whiteside instead it would be what we have + Whiteside which probably means Sully walks and we have to relegate Amir to the bench.

Of course you could say that we sign Whiteside, waive Amir and Jonas and renounce Sully and still have room for a max FA. You would be right. But then the cost of Whiteside is essentially Amir, Sully and Jonas which brings us closer to the cost of Cousins.

[SuperCeltic92]

Any chance this happens?

3-Way Trade with Cleveland and Sacramento:

BOS Receives:
C/F DeMarcus Cousins
2016 SAC 1st Round Pick (#8)

CLE Receives:
C/F Amir Johnson
G Terry Rozier (CLE might want Bradley/Crowder)
2016 BOS 2nd Round Picks (#31, #35)

SAC Receives:
2016 BKN 1st Round Pick (#1-5)
2016 DAL 1st Round Pick (#16)
F Kevin Love

[alldaboston]

Any chance this happens?

3-Way Trade with Cleveland and Sacramento:

BOS Receives:
C/F DeMarcus Cousins
2016 SAC 1st Round Pick (#8)

CLE Receives:
C/F Amir Johnson
G Terry Rozier (CLE might want Bradley/Crowder)
2016 BOS 2nd Round Picks (#31, #35)

SAC Receives:
2016 BKN 1st Round Pick (#1-5)
2016 DAL 1st Round Pick (#16)
F Kevin Love

Why would Cleveland do that? They can get much better value for Love than that. 

[slamtheking]

Any chance this happens?

3-Way Trade with Cleveland and Sacramento:

BOS Receives:
C/F DeMarcus Cousins
2016 SAC 1st Round Pick (#8)

CLE Receives:
C/F Amir Johnson
G Terry Rozier (CLE might want Bradley/Crowder)
2016 BOS 2nd Round Picks (#31, #35)

SAC Receives:
2016 BKN 1st Round Pick (#1-5)
2016 DAL 1st Round Pick (#16)
F Kevin Love

Why would Cleveland do that? They can get much better value for Love than that. 

Agreed, Sac and Cleve could do much better than that for what they're giving up.

[A Future of Stevens]

Honestly given that proposal I could see cleveland just circumventing us and going after boogie themselves. Granted Sacramento wouldn't get the high pick, but cleveland wouldn't be just giving love away.

Although cleveland doesn't have the assets to get cousins, but this trade is just a no starter, unless we had more assets going to cleveland.