Vlade Wants To Keep DeMarcus Cousins But Willing To Test Market For First Time

[dannyboy35]

There's little I WOULD NOT offer for Cousins. Ideally we'd like to keep certain pieces but I'd be willing to risk a lot for him. I'd give up all 3 Brooklyn picks, and Smart. But I'm not high on Marcus and I don't think he has much value. I'm not even sure that would be the best offer they'd get.  I m going on the assumption we aren't getting a top 2 pick in this scenario .

[LooseCannon]

As a starting point in negotiations, Divac should ask the Celtics for Smart, Olynyk, Crowder, Nets 2016, Net/Celtics 2017 pick swap, Nets 2018, and maybe a bit more.

Think about this: if Ainge were the Sacramento GM, what would he be asking for?

Maybe. But let's also remember that Cousins not only has a huge reputation as a locker room cancer, he's also been a loser all his career.

I think some people equate this with Kevin Garnett. But despite KG's alleged underachievement with the Wolves, he has still taken them to a Conference Final and was routinely in the playoffs.

There's a quite distinct possibility that Cousins ends up another Derrick Coleman. So I'd give up a lot, but there is reason to believe Divac can't demand the world for him.

You do realize how negotiations work, right?  Sacramento should start out by asking for more than the minimum that they are willing to accept, especially from a team with a lot of assets.  Take the most generous offer that a poster in this thread is willing to trade for Cousins.  Divac should start out by asking for at least two first-round picks (or equivalent value) more than that offer.

This isn't often a wise negotiating strategy, in my opinion.  If one side asks for the moon in negotiations, it can lead to poisoning the talks from the beginning, as the other side feels like it's time is being wasted. This style can result in a lowball counter-offer, or worse, no continued discussions at all.

Weren't you the guy who once wanted to trade everything for Cousins?

If superstars are a rare commodity and Cousins is a superstar, then the Kings should treat trade negotiations like it is a severe sellers' market.  And if you are negotiating with Ainge, you need to show some strength right off the bat.  Ainge is already known to be the kind of guy who is going to offer a lowball counter.  You need to test him to see if he will blink.

[Roy H.]

As a starting point in negotiations, Divac should ask the Celtics for Smart, Olynyk, Crowder, Nets 2016, Net/Celtics 2017 pick swap, Nets 2018, and maybe a bit more.

Think about this: if Ainge were the Sacramento GM, what would he be asking for?

Maybe. But let's also remember that Cousins not only has a huge reputation as a locker room cancer, he's also been a loser all his career.

I think some people equate this with Kevin Garnett. But despite KG's alleged underachievement with the Wolves, he has still taken them to a Conference Final and was routinely in the playoffs.

There's a quite distinct possibility that Cousins ends up another Derrick Coleman. So I'd give up a lot, but there is reason to believe Divac can't demand the world for him.

You do realize how negotiations work, right?  Sacramento should start out by asking for more than the minimum that they are willing to accept, especially from a team with a lot of assets.  Take the most generous offer that a poster in this thread is willing to trade for Cousins.  Divac should start out by asking for at least two first-round picks (or equivalent value) more than that offer.

This isn't often a wise negotiating strategy, in my opinion.  If one side asks for the moon in negotiations, it can lead to poisoning the talks from the beginning, as the other side feels like it's time is being wasted. This style can result in a lowball counter-offer, or worse, no continued discussions at all.

Weren't you the guy who once wanted to trade everything for Cousins?

If superstars are a rare commodity and Cousins is a superstar, then the Kings should treat trade negotiations like it is a severe sellers' market.  And if you are negotiating with Ainge, you need to show some strength right off the bat.  Ainge is already known to be the kind of guy who is going to offer a lowball counter.  You need to test him to see if he will blink.

Every negotiating involves receiving fair value without blinking. Asking for wild fantasy returns in trades is counterproductive however. The idea of taking the most pro-Kings proposal and then adding two more #1s to it would be a terrible starting point. It's not a position of strength, it's a position of stupidity.

[Smart457]

I emailed the Celtics to tell them if they trade for Cousins that I will not purchase tickets next year.

I suggest anyone who dislikes Cousin's attitude as much as I do to email the Celtics.

[alldaboston]

I emailed the Celtics to tell them if they trade for Cousins that I will not purchase tickets next year.

I suggest anyone who dislikes Cousin's attitude as much as I do to email the Celtics.

Response:

Dear Smart457,

Thank you for your email regarding tickets for next season. We always strive to make Celtics games worth your time, and we will always make your enjoyment our first priority. At present we do not have game-specific tickets available for next season, due to the fact that the NBA schedule for the 2016-17 season is not available yet. However, there are still many opportunities to attend Celtics games! Participate in one of our many sweepstakes for a chance to win great tickets and cool prizes! More information at www.celtics.com/tickets/.
We hope you can join us at TD Garden Friday night as the Celtics continue their path in the NBA playoffs!

[Smart457]

I emailed the Celtics to tell them if they trade for Cousins that I will not purchase tickets next year.

I suggest anyone who dislikes Cousin's attitude as much as I do to email the Celtics.

Response:

Dear Smart457,

Thank you for your email regarding tickets for next season. We always strive to make Celtics games worth your time, and we will always make your enjoyment our first priority. At present we do not have game-specific tickets available for next season, due to the fact that the NBA schedule for the 2016-17 season is not available yet. However, there are still many opportunities to attend Celtics games! Participate in one of our many sweepstakes for a chance to win great tickets and cool prizes! More information at www.celtics.com/tickets/.
We hope you can join us at TD Garden Friday night as the Celtics continue their path in the NBA playoffs!

I have sent about 40 requests from different emails. Your help is appreciated if you can join in.

[jpotter33]

I emailed the Celtics to tell them if they trade for Cousins that I will not purchase tickets next year.

I suggest anyone who dislikes Cousin's attitude as much as I do to email the Celtics.

Response:

Dear Smart457,

Thank you for your email regarding tickets for next season. We always strive to make Celtics games worth your time, and we will always make your enjoyment our first priority. At present we do not have game-specific tickets available for next season, due to the fact that the NBA schedule for the 2016-17 season is not available yet. However, there are still many opportunities to attend Celtics games! Participate in one of our many sweepstakes for a chance to win great tickets and cool prizes! More information at www.celtics.com/tickets/.
We hope you can join us at TD Garden Friday night as the Celtics continue their path in the NBA playoffs!

I have sent about 40 requests from different emails. Your help is appreciated if you can join in.

I don't understand how people can have watched the last few games and not understand how badly we need more offensive talent. Outside of Durant, the only attainable person that might challenge Cousins' offensive talent is Kevin Love. And that's being extremely generous to Love, who isn't nearly as versatile as Cousins offensively, let alone the fact that Cousins is a legitimate two-way big where Love only plays one side of the ball.

Cousins would go a long way towards fixing our offensive problems, especially since he is a now a semi-reliable stretch 5 that can stretch the floor in addition to his post game and ability to penetrate and attack the basket on drives like no other player his size can.

[Smart457]

I emailed the Celtics to tell them if they trade for Cousins that I will not purchase tickets next year.

I suggest anyone who dislikes Cousin's attitude as much as I do to email the Celtics.

Response:

Dear Smart457,

Thank you for your email regarding tickets for next season. We always strive to make Celtics games worth your time, and we will always make your enjoyment our first priority. At present we do not have game-specific tickets available for next season, due to the fact that the NBA schedule for the 2016-17 season is not available yet. However, there are still many opportunities to attend Celtics games! Participate in one of our many sweepstakes for a chance to win great tickets and cool prizes! More information at www.celtics.com/tickets/.
We hope you can join us at TD Garden Friday night as the Celtics continue their path in the NBA playoffs!

I have sent about 40 requests from different emails. Your help is appreciated if you can join in.

I don't understand how people can have watched the last few games and not understand how badly we need more offensive talent. Outside of Durant, the only attainable person that might challenge Cousins' offensive talent is Kevin Love. And that's being extremely generous to Love, who isn't nearly as versatile as Cousins offensively, let alone the fact that Cousins is a legitimate two-way big where Love only plays one side of the ball.

Cousins would go a long way towards fixing our offensive problems, especially since he is a now a semi-reliable stretch 5 that can stretch the floor in addition to his post game and ability to penetrate and attack the basket on drives like no other player his size can.

I really don't care how good he is. I just don't want him on the Celtics. Hes acts like a spoiled child who has temper tantrums when things don't go his way and is a quitter. No thank you.

[TheSundanceKid]

I emailed the Celtics to tell them if they trade for Cousins that I will not purchase tickets next year.

I suggest anyone who dislikes Cousin's attitude as much as I do to email the Celtics.

Response:

Dear Smart457,

Thank you for your email regarding tickets for next season. We always strive to make Celtics games worth your time, and we will always make your enjoyment our first priority. At present we do not have game-specific tickets available for next season, due to the fact that the NBA schedule for the 2016-17 season is not available yet. However, there are still many opportunities to attend Celtics games! Participate in one of our many sweepstakes for a chance to win great tickets and cool prizes! More information at www.celtics.com/tickets/.
We hope you can join us at TD Garden Friday night as the Celtics continue their path in the NBA playoffs!

I have sent about 40 requests from different emails. Your help is appreciated if you can join in.

I don't understand how people can have watched the last few games and not understand how badly we need more offensive talent. Outside of Durant, the only attainable person that might challenge Cousins' offensive talent is Kevin Love. And that's being extremely generous to Love, who isn't nearly as versatile as Cousins offensively, let alone the fact that Cousins is a legitimate two-way big where Love only plays one side of the ball.

Cousins would go a long way towards fixing our offensive problems, especially since he is a now a semi-reliable stretch 5 that can stretch the floor in addition to his post game and ability to penetrate and attack the basket on drives like no other player his size can.

I really don't care how good he is. I just don't want him on the Celtics. Hes acts like a spoiled child who has temper tantrums when things don't go his way and is a quitter. No thank you.

He's a quitter? That's new. Why do you think that?

[alldaboston]

I emailed the Celtics to tell them if they trade for Cousins that I will not purchase tickets next year.

I suggest anyone who dislikes Cousin's attitude as much as I do to email the Celtics.

Response:

Dear Smart457,

Thank you for your email regarding tickets for next season. We always strive to make Celtics games worth your time, and we will always make your enjoyment our first priority. At present we do not have game-specific tickets available for next season, due to the fact that the NBA schedule for the 2016-17 season is not available yet. However, there are still many opportunities to attend Celtics games! Participate in one of our many sweepstakes for a chance to win great tickets and cool prizes! More information at www.celtics.com/tickets/.
We hope you can join us at TD Garden Friday night as the Celtics continue their path in the NBA playoffs!

I have sent about 40 requests from different emails. Your help is appreciated if you can join in.

In case you didnt get it, i was trying to make a joke that emails arent gonna do anything. theyre just gonna give you a generic response, and they arent gonna change their entire offseason plan because 40 emails said they wouldnt buy tickets next year.

[LooseCannon]

As a starting point in negotiations, Divac should ask the Celtics for Smart, Olynyk, Crowder, Nets 2016, Net/Celtics 2017 pick swap, Nets 2018, and maybe a bit more.

Think about this: if Ainge were the Sacramento GM, what would he be asking for?

Maybe. But let's also remember that Cousins not only has a huge reputation as a locker room cancer, he's also been a loser all his career.

I think some people equate this with Kevin Garnett. But despite KG's alleged underachievement with the Wolves, he has still taken them to a Conference Final and was routinely in the playoffs.

There's a quite distinct possibility that Cousins ends up another Derrick Coleman. So I'd give up a lot, but there is reason to believe Divac can't demand the world for him.

You do realize how negotiations work, right?  Sacramento should start out by asking for more than the minimum that they are willing to accept, especially from a team with a lot of assets.  Take the most generous offer that a poster in this thread is willing to trade for Cousins.  Divac should start out by asking for at least two first-round picks (or equivalent value) more than that offer.

This isn't often a wise negotiating strategy, in my opinion.  If one side asks for the moon in negotiations, it can lead to poisoning the talks from the beginning, as the other side feels like it's time is being wasted. This style can result in a lowball counter-offer, or worse, no continued discussions at all.

Weren't you the guy who once wanted to trade everything for Cousins?

If superstars are a rare commodity and Cousins is a superstar, then the Kings should treat trade negotiations like it is a severe sellers' market.  And if you are negotiating with Ainge, you need to show some strength right off the bat.  Ainge is already known to be the kind of guy who is going to offer a lowball counter.  You need to test him to see if he will blink.

Every negotiating involves receiving fair value without blinking. Asking for wild fantasy returns in trades is counterproductive however. The idea of taking the most pro-Kings proposal and then adding two more #1s to it would be a terrible starting point. It's not a position of strength, it's a position of stupidity.

Starting a negotiation by offering a fair compromise is stupid when there is a real chance that you opponent will overpay.

[TheSundanceKid]

As a starting point in negotiations, Divac should ask the Celtics for Smart, Olynyk, Crowder, Nets 2016, Net/Celtics 2017 pick swap, Nets 2018, and maybe a bit more.

Think about this: if Ainge were the Sacramento GM, what would he be asking for?

Maybe. But let's also remember that Cousins not only has a huge reputation as a locker room cancer, he's also been a loser all his career.

I think some people equate this with Kevin Garnett. But despite KG's alleged underachievement with the Wolves, he has still taken them to a Conference Final and was routinely in the playoffs.

There's a quite distinct possibility that Cousins ends up another Derrick Coleman. So I'd give up a lot, but there is reason to believe Divac can't demand the world for him.

You do realize how negotiations work, right?  Sacramento should start out by asking for more than the minimum that they are willing to accept, especially from a team with a lot of assets.  Take the most generous offer that a poster in this thread is willing to trade for Cousins.  Divac should start out by asking for at least two first-round picks (or equivalent value) more than that offer.

This isn't often a wise negotiating strategy, in my opinion.  If one side asks for the moon in negotiations, it can lead to poisoning the talks from the beginning, as the other side feels like it's time is being wasted. This style can result in a lowball counter-offer, or worse, no continued discussions at all.

Weren't you the guy who once wanted to trade everything for Cousins?

If superstars are a rare commodity and Cousins is a superstar, then the Kings should treat trade negotiations like it is a severe sellers' market.  And if you are negotiating with Ainge, you need to show some strength right off the bat.  Ainge is already known to be the kind of guy who is going to offer a lowball counter.  You need to test him to see if he will blink.

Every negotiating involves receiving fair value without blinking. Asking for wild fantasy returns in trades is counterproductive however. The idea of taking the most pro-Kings proposal and then adding two more #1s to it would be a terrible starting point. It's not a position of strength, it's a position of stupidity.

Starting a negotiation by offering a fair compromise is stupid when there is a real chance that you opponent will overpay.

I think you would see wild offers at first from both sides. Then as things start to get more serious they get closer to the truth. For what it's worth I believe those wild offers would have happened months ago, maybe even last summer. At this point and leading up to the draft the offers will get closer to the truth. Not that I expect to hear anything true about it, the real stories rarely get out there about Danny's dealings, most of what we hear is speculation described as rumour.

[Roy H.]

As a starting point in negotiations, Divac should ask the Celtics for Smart, Olynyk, Crowder, Nets 2016, Net/Celtics 2017 pick swap, Nets 2018, and maybe a bit more.

Think about this: if Ainge were the Sacramento GM, what would he be asking for?

Maybe. But let's also remember that Cousins not only has a huge reputation as a locker room cancer, he's also been a loser all his career.

I think some people equate this with Kevin Garnett. But despite KG's alleged underachievement with the Wolves, he has still taken them to a Conference Final and was routinely in the playoffs.

There's a quite distinct possibility that Cousins ends up another Derrick Coleman. So I'd give up a lot, but there is reason to believe Divac can't demand the world for him.

You do realize how negotiations work, right?  Sacramento should start out by asking for more than the minimum that they are willing to accept, especially from a team with a lot of assets.  Take the most generous offer that a poster in this thread is willing to trade for Cousins.  Divac should start out by asking for at least two first-round picks (or equivalent value) more than that offer.

This isn't often a wise negotiating strategy, in my opinion.  If one side asks for the moon in negotiations, it can lead to poisoning the talks from the beginning, as the other side feels like it's time is being wasted. This style can result in a lowball counter-offer, or worse, no continued discussions at all.

Weren't you the guy who once wanted to trade everything for Cousins?

If superstars are a rare commodity and Cousins is a superstar, then the Kings should treat trade negotiations like it is a severe sellers' market.  And if you are negotiating with Ainge, you need to show some strength right off the bat.  Ainge is already known to be the kind of guy who is going to offer a lowball counter.  You need to test him to see if he will blink.

Every negotiating involves receiving fair value without blinking. Asking for wild fantasy returns in trades is counterproductive however. The idea of taking the most pro-Kings proposal and then adding two more #1s to it would be a terrible starting point. It's not a position of strength, it's a position of stupidity.

Starting a negotiation by offering a fair compromise is stupid when there is a real chance that you opponent will overpay.

I'm going to assume that negotiating isn't something you do in your job very often. I literally do it every single day.

You don't start with your best offer, obviously, but starting with something wildly unrealistic is counterproductive, and gets in the way of actually reaching resolution.

[D Dub]

I'm not so sure we have an appealing offer for Vlade.   They are moving into a new arena and aren't going to want the, 'start over and go young' package.    Something centered on the BKL pick probably doesn't get it done.

[Moranis]

I'm not so sure we have an appealing offer for Vlade.   They are moving into a new arena and aren't going to want the, 'start over and go young' package.    Something centered on the BKL pick probably doesn't get it done.

I do think it might take a third team that wants some draft picks and would give up a pretty good player.  That said, there is no real way for Boston to usurp an offer from the Lakers or Sixers if they really want Cousins unless the BKN ends up #1 (maybe #2) though even then the Sixers could still jump it by just offering another asset.