C's , Cavs, Pelican 3 team deal in works?(Rumor) UPDATES on pg 1

[PhoSita]

Deal doesn't have to be complicated. The workable framework is as follows: Love to Boston, Lee and Anderson to Cleveland, $8 million of salary to New Orleans. With some picks changing hands too.

I'd much rather give NO Jerebko and Sullinger than Bradley, but I am not sure they'll take on 2 years of salary.

Why would Cleveland trade Love for Anderson, who is a downgrade?  To save money?  Not if they want to actually re-sign Anderson.

Cleveland would have to be getting something in addition to Anderson, probably multiple players that would help them match up better with the Warriors / Spurs.  Picks aren't going to greatly interest a team that wants to compete for titles in the short term.

Lebron

Huh?

[BitterJim]

Deal doesn't have to be complicated. The workable framework is as follows: Love to Boston, Lee and Anderson to Cleveland, $8 million of salary to New Orleans. With some picks changing hands too.

I'd much rather give NO Jerebko and Sullinger than Bradley, but I am not sure they'll take on 2 years of salary.

I'd assume Bradley goes to Cleveland, they could use abother 3 and D guy

[SparzWizard]

Following up on this news from last month:

In NBA trade rumors land, it wasn’t so long ago news broke that the Cleveland Cavaliers received calls on the availability of Timofey Mozgov. Omer Asik‘s name was brought up in a potential trade with the New Orleans Pelicans, but the Cavs were never serious about a deal, according to Yahoo’s Chris Mannix.

So...


Boston

In- Love

Out- Nets # 1 pick (Pelicans have option to swap; if not they receive Mavs or Celtics pick) , Bradley, Lee

Why? Get a top guy to build around


Cleveland

In- Anderson, Bradley, Asik

Out- Love, Mozgov

Why? Anderson fills the Love role nicely and Bradley is the 3 and d guy they want at a good contract, Asik is overpriced, but does many of the things Mozgov (who they'd likely lose this summer anyways) does.

New Orleans

In- Option to swap with Nets # 1 pick; if not they receive the Mavs or Celtics pick, Mozgov

Out- Anderson, Asik

Why? Significantly increase their odds of getting a top 3 pick.

But at the same time if Boston and Cleveland meets in the ECF then that will bite us in the ass since Bradley is the 3 and D guy and knows Brad's schemes.

[fairweatherfan]

Deal doesn't have to be complicated. The workable framework is as follows: Love to Boston, Lee and Anderson to Cleveland, $8 million of salary to New Orleans. With some picks changing hands too.

I'd much rather give NO Jerebko and Sullinger than Bradley, but I am not sure they'll take on 2 years of salary.

Why would Cleveland trade Love for Anderson, who is a downgrade?  To save money?  Not if they want to actually re-sign Anderson.

Cleveland would have to be getting something in addition to Anderson, probably multiple players that would help them match up better with the Warriors / Spurs.  Picks aren't going to greatly interest a team that wants to compete for titles in the short term.

Lebron

Huh?

He's saying the trade would happen despite making no sense because LeBron wants it to happen, presumably because he doesn't like Love.

[PhoSita]

It's hard for me to imagine Cleveland being interested in a deal that merely adds depth for them while simultaneously arming an in-conference rival.

If they trade Love, I think it'll be to a Western Conference team.

[Atzar]

Ugh.  Really not a fan of Love.  Hope this is BS or falls through.

[PhoSita]

He's saying the trade would happen despite making no sense because LeBron wants it to happen, presumably because he doesn't like Love.

I'm willing to believe LeBron could be responsible for all sorts of dumb moves, but only if it results in the team picking up or promoting one of his friends (or somebody his agent reps).

Since when are Bron and Ryan Anderson pals?

[merkins]

Wise of Danny to strike while the team is hot and players are maxing their value.  Not long ago these guys were the pupu platter that Flip wouldnt consider for Love.  Now that the team is soaring everyone looks better.  Take the short term hit to get the big guns in the house and make a play for the ECF.

[KeepRondo]

OK, here is my very complicated but workable trade:

Boston
Out:  Crowder, Bradley, Jerebko
In:    Love, Sasha Kaun

CLE
Out:  Love, Cunningham, Kaun
In:    Bradley, Anderson, Jerebko

NOP
Out:  Anderson
In:    Crowder, Cunningham

I think CLE is the loser in this but Bradley and Anderson are pretty good and Jerebko adds some depth.  I wouldn't believe it if it wasn't for the rumors.  I think Crowder for Anderson is fair (Cunningham is filler).

I feel like Crowder and Love are pretty similar in value as of right now. Obviously if Love plays better in a different system, his value can be much greater than Crowder's. Just not sure I like giving up current value and then some.

I actually updated my trade to include the Dallas pick going to CLE.  I am not sure I agree that Crowder is equal in value to Love.  Crowder=Anderson, OK but Love?

In terms of current value they are.

[crimson_stallion]

Last time he was a #1 option his team won 40 games.

The same was true of Isaiah Thomas heading into this season.

Not an accurate comparison, and here is why:

1) Thomas' first three seasons were in Sacramento, where he was never a #1 option (Cousins was) and wasn't even a consistent starter until his second year.

2) Thomas' forth year he was traded to the Celtics, where he became Boston's #1 scoring option - after which Boston rapidly transformed from one of the worst teams in the entire NBA, to an 8th seed in the Playoffs.

3) Thomas' fifth year in he is still the #1 scoring option, and his team is currently sitting at the #3 seed in the Eastern conference

Kevin Love has played 6 seasons - he was the #1 scorer on his team over all 6 of those seasons, and none of those teams ever won more than 40 games and never made the playoffs.

So Thomas has actually proven to be a far more successful "winner" when he's been the #1 option of a team than Love ever has.

[fairweatherfan]

He's saying the trade would happen despite making no sense because LeBron wants it to happen, presumably because he doesn't like Love.

I'm willing to believe LeBron could be responsible for all sorts of dumb moves, but only if it results in the team picking up or promoting one of his friends (or somebody his agent reps).

Since when are Bron and Ryan Anderson pals?

Hey, I didn't say it made sense, just that it appears to be the argument.

Anderson as part of a Love deal makes sense though, he can play the same role Love currently plays almost as well (as opposed to being almost as good a player).  They'd need quite a bit more though, of course.

[KeepRondo]

Last time he was a #1 option his team won 40 games.

The same was true of Isaiah Thomas heading into this season.

Not an accurate comparison, and here is why:

1) Thomas' first three seasons were in Sacramento, where he was never a #1 option (Cousins was) and wasn't even a consistent starter until his second year.

2) Thomas' forth year he was traded to the Celtics, where he became Boston's #1 scoring option - after which Boston rapidly transformed from one of the worst teams in the entire NBA, to an 8th seed in the Playoffs.

3) Thomas' fifth year in he is still the #1 scoring option, and his team is currently sitting at the #3 seed in the Eastern conference

Kevin Love has played 6 seasons - he was the #1 scorer on his team over all 6 of those seasons, and none of those teams ever won more than 40 games and never made the playoffs.

So Thomas has actually proven to be a far more successful "winner" when he's been the #1 option of a team than Love ever has.

Those western conference teams were stacked back then. And it's not like his teams weren't competitive because they were.

Some context might be nice when you make silly comments.

[PhoSita]

He's saying the trade would happen despite making no sense because LeBron wants it to happen, presumably because he doesn't like Love.

I'm willing to believe LeBron could be responsible for all sorts of dumb moves, but only if it results in the team picking up or promoting one of his friends (or somebody his agent reps).

Since when are Bron and Ryan Anderson pals?

Hey, I didn't say it made sense, just that it appears to be the argument.

Anderson as part of a Love deal makes sense though, he can play the same role Love currently plays almost as well (as opposed to being almost as good a player).  They'd need quite a bit more though, of course.

I understand.

You're right, trading Love for Anderson makes sense IF they're also adding a couple other quality role players.  They're using Love like he's Ryan Anderson so far this year, so why not trade him for the genuine article if it helps them beef up the rest of their rotation?  The Cavs don't match up well with the Warriors or Spurs as currently constructed, so making a move like that does make some sense.

I'm just having a hard time configuring a deal that achieves those objectives, especially one that's good enough for Cleveland that the Cavs don't mind helping out a direct rival (although the Celts still would be a massive underdog even with Love).


Cleveland should offer Love to the Nuggets for the package that the Clips supposedly requested in return for Blake Griffin.   Love is under contract for the long term and might actually be willing to spend the balance of his career in a place like Denver, unlike Griffin.   Gallo, Faried, and Barton would be perfect for the Cavs.

[j804]

How would you guys feel if it was one of the Nets picks not next years and Crowder?

It'd probably take something like that would it not?

[PhoSita]

Last time he was a #1 option his team won 40 games.

The same was true of Isaiah Thomas heading into this season.

Not an accurate comparison, and here is why

The remark was made to point out how these bald-faced statements have a tendency to require a great deal of backstory to be worth anything, something that you capably demonstrated.

So thanks.