Brad Stevens just exposes how overrated Doc Rivers is

[kozlodoev]

Stevens is a better x/o's coach and his offense is more visually pleasing. I also think he is better at developing young talent.

There's nothing visually pleasing about chucking jumpers, which is what Brad S's offence reduces to half of the time.

Also, this season is pretty much the first time I saw an actual play that they managed to run with any consistency... so there's that. Most of the last two seasons consisted of one pick and roll and running around like headless chickens for 20 seconds.

I guess the visually pleasing part is a matter of opinion. I prefer the constant screening/dribble hand offs and side to side ball movement of Brad Stevens to forcing opponents to switch in order to attack in the ISO of Doc Rivers.

Brad Stevens offense is more free flowing, where Doc's is more set plays. I prefer free flowing to set plays. Considering we really only have one (maybe two) guys currently on the team that can create their own offense I think when you see what you refer to as a "headless chicken offense" it is due to the personnel a lot more than the coaching. Doc's offensive style simply wouldn't work for the current C's.

In terms of out of time out plays both are among the two best in the NBA. In terms of end of game plays, I'd give Brad Stevens the edge because I got tired of seeing Doc waste the clock and end up with a contested midrange jumper almost every time with the game on the line.

I am a meat and potatoes guy -- I find offensive basketball visually pleasing when my team puts the ball in the basket, and Brad S's teams so far have been average to below average in that respect.

[mahcus smaht]

Stevens is a better x/o's coach and his offense is more visually pleasing. I also think he is better at developing young talent.

There's nothing visually pleasing about chucking jumpers, which is what Brad S's offence reduces to half of the time.

Also, this season is pretty much the first time I saw an actual play that they managed to run with any consistency... so there's that. Most of the last two seasons consisted of one pick and roll and running around like headless chickens for 20 seconds.

I guess the visually pleasing part is a matter of opinion. I prefer the constant screening/dribble hand offs and side to side ball movement of Brad Stevens to forcing opponents to switch in order to attack in the ISO of Doc Rivers.

Brad Stevens offense is more free flowing, where Doc's is more set plays. I prefer free flowing to set plays. Considering we really only have one (maybe two) guys currently on the team that can create their own offense I think when you see what you refer to as a "headless chicken offense" it is due to the personnel a lot more than the coaching. Doc's offensive style simply wouldn't work for the current C's.

In terms of out of time out plays both are among the two best in the NBA. In terms of end of game plays, I'd give Brad Stevens the edge because I got tired of seeing Doc waste the clock and end up with a contested midrange jumper almost every time with the game on the line.

I am a meat and potatoes guy -- I find offensive basketball visually pleasing when my team puts the ball in the basket, and Brad S's teams so far have been average to below average in that respect.

Yes but surely you can see the gulf in offensive talent between Rivers and Stevens teams.

[kozlodoev]

Yes but surely you can see the gulf in offensive talent between Rivers and Stevens teams.

Sure, but this is about being aesthetically pleasing, not about who did more with less.

[Evantime34]

Stevens is a better x/o's coach and his offense is more visually pleasing. I also think he is better at developing young talent.

There's nothing visually pleasing about chucking jumpers, which is what Brad S's offence reduces to half of the time.

Also, this season is pretty much the first time I saw an actual play that they managed to run with any consistency... so there's that. Most of the last two seasons consisted of one pick and roll and running around like headless chickens for 20 seconds.

I guess the visually pleasing part is a matter of opinion. I prefer the constant screening/dribble hand offs and side to side ball movement of Brad Stevens to forcing opponents to switch in order to attack in the ISO of Doc Rivers.

Brad Stevens offense is more free flowing, where Doc's is more set plays. I prefer free flowing to set plays. Considering we really only have one (maybe two) guys currently on the team that can create their own offense I think when you see what you refer to as a "headless chicken offense" it is due to the personnel a lot more than the coaching. Doc's offensive style simply wouldn't work for the current C's.

In terms of out of time out plays both are among the two best in the NBA. In terms of end of game plays, I'd give Brad Stevens the edge because I got tired of seeing Doc waste the clock and end up with a contested midrange jumper almost every time with the game on the line.

I am a meat and potatoes guy -- I find offensive basketball visually pleasing when my team puts the ball in the basket, and Brad S's teams so far have been average to below average in that respect.

Offense Rating Under Rivers the last four years
2012- 24th
2011- 27th
2010- 18th
2009- 15th

The last four years under Rivers his teams did not put the ball in the basket very well. This year Stevens has lead the best offense the Celtics have had since the 2008-2009 season in which the Celtics won 62 games and probably would have won the title had KG not went down.

[fairweatherfan]

Yes but surely you can see the gulf in offensive talent between Rivers and Stevens teams.

Sure, but this is about being aesthetically pleasing, not about who did more with less.

Yeah but when you cite "chucking jumpers" as the reason Stevens' offense isn't better to watch, I wonder if you remember how heavily the Doc teams leaned on midrange jumpshots.  And our offensive efficiency is better than it was under Doc, at least after the team stopped being able to win 60+ a year.

[Chris22]

Tp! Doc is not a good basketball coach. I argued it almost his whole tenure here. Imo, he cost us one or two championships.

This. TP

[kozlodoev]

Yes but surely you can see the gulf in offensive talent between Rivers and Stevens teams.

Sure, but this is about being aesthetically pleasing, not about who did more with less.

Yeah but when you cite "chucking jumpers" as the reason Stevens' offense isn't better to watch, I wonder if you remember how heavily the Doc teams leaned on midrange jumpshots.  And our offensive efficiency is better than it was under Doc, at least after the team stopped being able to win 60+ a year.

Emphasis on chucking.

[fairweatherfan]

Yes but surely you can see the gulf in offensive talent between Rivers and Stevens teams.

Sure, but this is about being aesthetically pleasing, not about who did more with less.

Yeah but when you cite "chucking jumpers" as the reason Stevens' offense isn't better to watch, I wonder if you remember how heavily the Doc teams leaned on midrange jumpshots.  And our offensive efficiency is better than it was under Doc, at least after the team stopped being able to win 60+ a year.

Emphasis on chucking.

Chucking our way to better efficiency?  Maybe this parses to not liking the half-court offense as much but the additional running and forcing turnovers bringing our aggregate numbers up. 

[kozlodoev]

Chucking our way to better efficiency?  Maybe this parses to not liking the half-court offense as much but the additional running and forcing turnovers bringing our aggregate numbers up.

My impression is that it parses to an easy out when plays fall apart. That is, if there are plays there in the first place. With Brad S, I never know.

In my mind, this is fairly different from running plays designed to specifically get open midrange jumpers for two of the best two-point jump shooters in the league in Pierce and Garnett.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Tp! Doc is not a good basketball coach. I argued it almost his whole tenure here. Imo, he cost us one or two championships.

This. TP

Good yes great maybe not. But Rivers was the right coach for the big 3. CBS would not have been. But Danny knows what he is doing. But CBS has built a great culture and his name grows daily in this league and board as one of the best.

[SHAQATTACK]

It's hard to find any team forum that the consensus is that Doc is a GREAT coach .  Maybe good or decent at actual basketball. 

He is marvelous nose wiper, baby sitter , ego handler of the FIRST order for spoiled people making millions.

Doc would not even take the challenge on he sucks so bad...LOL.......if he had he would have quit or been fired .

Doc is not just not much of basketball coach bottom line.