Brad Stevens just exposes how overrated Doc Rivers is

[SHAQATTACK]

Doc is no good at building a team.  He ran away from the Celtics .  He never was much good with a normal average team trying to make it to the next level.  He is not much for making people better.

Doc has to have THE best talent to susceed . 

Doc is great at orchestrate a team of all stars and divas...he tells them what they want to hear. Keeps the locker room running smooth.   He is sort of a groupie himself loving the limelight and prestige of hanging with the stars .

He is a fantastic Wizzard at calming and getting huge egos to behave and making them THINK they are more important than the next guy .......so he maybe a great bs artist

He would be awful in college ....wher you actually have to WORK and TEACh ...LOL

I don' t see the Clippers as all that much better than they were with last coach .  Doc needs ALL the best players to work his magic .

He is GM and Coach .....and not done a lot of great things in LA considering the power and stars he has.

Well....he has made a ton of money and protected his non NBA level sons career
What's success? Making the playoffs?

Clippers have a ton of talent and they are the 4th best team in that conference.

[GreenFaith1819]

Rivers is a great manager of veteran players. Veteran players respect him and he's a great motivator.

I remember a lot of those timeouts that they showed during the playoffs. Rivers always came across like his team was in the middle of a heavy weight boxing match. And his teams always battled and responded to him.   

Say what you want about his ability to manage rookies but he was perfect for our big three era.

This.

I don't get the Doc Rivers (and RONDO) hate on this blog, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpxtiQZiK2c

This BEAUTIFUL game Right Here was the pivotal game of our Champion Season.

We lose THIS game? We'd probably go back to BOS with a TIED series, because we went on to lose Game 6 without Perk in the lineup.

Doc Rivers WILLED this team to a victory....not Paul Pierce, not KG, not Ray.

I will ALWAYS appreciate what Glenn Doc Rivers did for us in Boston. Truly a great coach and motivator.

Funny but it was Pierce KG Allen and House that I saw making play after play after play. I didn't see Rivers bench any of them or make any profound adjustment. Barking and barking is not coaching. No one has ever pointed out any coaching adjustment that led to that come back. I am a student of the game and I recognize coaching adjustments when I see it. What I saw in the 2008 finals was a inept coaching that was helped along by 'timely' injuries and foul trouble.

Well, they weren't making ANY plays in the 1st half, huh?

But after Coach Rivers motivated and encouraged them, they came out blazing in the 2nd half.

[GreenFaith1819]

The CRAZY thing about THIS blog is how we write off the accomplishments of people who have been here and did some GREAT things.

[Ilikesports17]

The CRAZY thing about THIS blog is how we write off the accomplishments of people who have been here and did some GREAT things.

Doc was a member of some legendary Celtics teams, but I think it's fair to look back and try and figure out how much Doc had to do with the winning.

I mean that team had KG Paul Pierce Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo.

If you can get those egos to align (and no one seems to downplay how good doc is at that) then those are some of the smartest most competitive basketball players in the world. You aren't going to need a great tactician to win games, nor a great motivator or defensive architect.

You had 3 grizzled vets coming together to win a championship.
I mean look at Kerr and then Walton. The engine behind the Warriors is clearly steps and dray not Kerr or Walton.

I didn't love doc when he was here and I think CBS is a better coach, but I think Doc was perfect for that team and I feel like he "coached his heart out" which I will always respect. However i think he is not immune to criticism.

[GreenFaith1819]

The CRAZY thing about THIS blog is how we write off the accomplishments of people who have been here and did some GREAT things.

Doc was a member of some legendary Celtics teams, but I think it's fair to look back and try and figure out how much Doc had to do with the winning.

I mean that team had KG Paul Pierce Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo.

If you can get those egos to align (and no one seems to downplay how good doc is at that) then those are some of the smartest most competitive basketball players in the world. You aren't going to need a great tactician to win games, nor a great motivator or defensive architect.

You had 3 grizzled vets coming together to win a championship.
I mean look at Kerr and then Walton. The engine behind the Warriors is clearly steps and dray not Kerr or Walton.

I didn't love doc when he was here and I think CBS is a better coach, but I think Doc was perfect for that team and I feel like he "coached his heart out" which I will always respect. However i think he is not immune to criticism.

And neither should CBS - or ANY coach for that matter.

[Ogaju]

KG PP RA did not need motivation to win a championship. These were three legitimate superstars that were ring-less. They did not need motivation from anyone. They came together to win that championship.

[GreenFaith1819]

KG PP RA did not need motivation to win a championship. These were three legitimate superstars that were ring-less. They did not need motivation from anyone. They came together to win that championship.

Yes, and I'm sure CBS could've did the same thing..........................

[greece66]

Rivers was a good coach 5-6 years ago. Not great but good. He did a fine job in the C's but IMO much of the credit should go to Thibs.

Since Doc has moved to the Clips his weaknesses have become apparent. IMO he has made lots of errors - we can get into that in detail if you want but results speak for themselves: a great roster is being wasted.

And it's not like he has developed a single young player while there. (except maybe from his son- sorry but I do find this both ridiculous and indicating there's something wrong with his attitude to his players).

[Ogaju]

Yes, anyone could have rolled out the ball and let Thibs do the heavy lifting.

[KeepRondo]

Tp! Doc is not a good basketball coach. I argued it almost his whole tenure here. Imo, he cost us one or two championships.

Maybe but KG was hurt one year and the Lakers were no scrubs.

I wish we got two championships also but it's not like it was a surprise we only got one.

Maybe Tony Allen rotted on our bench while Kobe went nuts.

And maybe Mr. Personality Manager refused to bench Ray Allen when he was ice cold.

Kobe went nuts in game 6. No way we had a chance there. Sheed played great in game 7 and it looked like we had that game. Maybe I'm sour because we lost but it felt like we got a bad run of fouls called on us in the fourth.

You don't think Tony could have slowed Kobe?

not in game 6. That was one of the greatest finals appearances ever. But game 7 we had them. I blame the officials way more then the rotations. Rivers also is the type of coach who is going to ride the guys who got him there. It's part of the reason he gets the most out of his veterans. It's a mutual respect between coach and player.

In the end he helped get us to game 7. Officials took that game from us.

that is not mutual respect. That is a lack of judgment and ability to adjust.

What move would you have gone to?

You want to put Tony Allen in and run a play for him in game 7 of the NBA championship?

Or Nate Robinson? In what world do you take Ray Allen out for Nate Robinson or Tony Allen in game 7?

Maybe if Doc had Olynyk or Smart or Jerebko on the bench. Let's face it. Stevens has a less talented but deeper team then Rivers. Don't get things twisted.

PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE!!! Don't even dare compare CBS to Glenn Rivers in coaching. Rivers accepts his inability to coach when he hightailed it out of town at the slightest hint of 'trouble'. He ran to a team a loaded team only to do no better than the fired coach.

How dare you talk about CBS having deeper talent. You want to know why we are enjoying our team now? Its because we have a coach. The reason we look deep is we have a real coach that actually coaches his team up and plays the players he has. Rivers rides his stars. He can never do the job CBS has done with this Boston team.

Further evidence of Rivers' acceptance of his ineptness is the amount of NBA HEAD COACHES he has on the bench next to him. He has about 2 or three former head coaches on his bench. The guy cannot coach. Whatever coaching the 2008 team got was Thibs.

If you aren't capable of seeing that we have more depth on this team then the one Rivers coached, then it's not worth debating with you.

[CelticPride2016]

Brad Stevens has done an unbelievable job using the sum of his part to create something amazing. He's literally a genius and I think his skill set is better than Popovich. Our 08 championship was solely due to the big 3. But Stevens could lead a dynasty if the Celtics had a few Superstars

Thanks for the thread. I've always felt Doc Rivers was overrated. He had his good and bad points. Maybe he helped Avery during one of the Summers.

Doc in Brad year number one might have broken the record for losses.

No way would we have made the playoffs last year.

Doc's the kind of coach who keeps a good atmosphere and does the minimum. Stevens is pro-active and a true student of coaching.

Doc's been in basketball his whole life, even as a kid he was on the NBA radar. He has coached. He has done t.v..

I guess one can say Doc the coach is good and Doc the GM is awful. He might be a good coach. Stevens appears to be a great coach.

[GreenFaith1819]

DISCLAIMER - I absolutely LOVE Coach Brad Stevens and what he HAS done, IS doing, and WILL do for this team in the coming years.

With THAT being said, I absolutely LOVE the REVISIONIST HISTORIANS on here who NOW give Coach Tibs the credit for BOS's past successes.

Just brilliant.

[KeepRondo]

I think that you underrate how far Doc took some untalented teams.

which untalented teams did Doc take far??

the team that had Dhoward/Torkulu?  The team that had the big three? The team that had Griffin/Paul?

Rivers has a place in the league and so does CBS.  Rivers is better for managing big personalities/star players. CBS better at developing/managing underrated blue coller workers like Crowder/Smart/KO

Rivers never coached Dwight Howard... O.o

OK. Tracy mcgrady then

Yay! He had one good player in Tracy McGrady, a 21 year-old at that. And practically no one else of note making worthwhile contributions. Yet, he had those teams with winning records and got them into the playoffs.

Prior to that he led a team whose best player was Darrel Armstrong to a .500 record. It does seem like you have no notion on how bad the talent Rivers was working with, and how hard he had them playing.

To discount the accomplishments with those teams, just to accentuate your love for Stevens, is absurd.

A young Mike Miller was on that team also right?

He was pretty good.

We can also say that Bradley is pretty good, that Turner is pretty good, that Crowder is pretty good, that Amir is pretty good, etc., etc..

They're decent players who play a role, that's it. They aren't super stars or anything.

But yeah, pretty much a rookie and a sophomore Mike Miller. That's what he was counting on.

I agree with you. But Mike Miller was better than AB or Crowder. Your post just got me remembering that Mcgrady/Miller combo. To bad they were never able to surround them with better players.

I'd say he was more on par with what Bradley offers us right now, but Crowder this particular season is a head above them.

We also have to account for Miller being a rookie and a sophomore, and the learning curve that comes with it. Surely Doc deserves some credit there, I mean he had to count on 30 minutes or so a night from Miller to get that team to the playoffs.

The main point in all of this is that people are here trying to argue that "look at Stevens what he's accomplished with THIS level of talent, Doc can't hold a candle to him", but forget that Doc had similar teams in the past, one can argue even worse than this (and I'd argue that easily), and had similar success. But more importantly, he had those teams over-performing. It's why he won Coach of the Year back then, one of those rare years in which the award was actually earned.

Would've loved to see those teams with a healthy Grant Hill.

He did. And I agree but I still think Miller was better than Crowder. But thats a conversation outside this thread.

[Boris Badenov]

I think that you underrate how far Doc took some untalented teams.

which untalented teams did Doc take far??

the team that had Dhoward/Torkulu?  The team that had the big three? The team that had Griffin/Paul?

Rivers has a place in the league and so does CBS.  Rivers is better for managing big personalities/star players. CBS better at developing/managing underrated blue coller workers like Crowder/Smart/KO

Rivers never coached Dwight Howard... O.o

OK. Tracy mcgrady then

Yay! He had one good player in Tracy McGrady, a 21 year-old at that. And practically no one else of note making worthwhile contributions. Yet, he had those teams with winning records and got them into the playoffs.

Prior to that he led a team whose best player was Darrel Armstrong to a .500 record. It does seem like you have no notion on how bad the talent Rivers was working with, and how hard he had them playing.

To discount the accomplishments with those teams, just to accentuate your love for Stevens, is absurd.

A young Mike Miller was on that team also right?

He was pretty good.

We can also say that Bradley is pretty good, that Turner is pretty good, that Crowder is pretty good, that Amir is pretty good, etc., etc..

They're decent players who play a role, that's it. They aren't super stars or anything.

But yeah, pretty much a rookie and a sophomore Mike Miller. That's what he was counting on.

I agree with you. But Mike Miller was better than AB or Crowder. Your post just got me remembering that Mcgrady/Miller combo. To bad they were never able to surround them with better players.

I'd say he was more on par with what Bradley offers us right now, but Crowder this particular season is a head above them.

We also have to account for Miller being a rookie and a sophomore, and the learning curve that comes with it. Surely Doc deserves some credit there, I mean he had to count on 30 minutes or so a night from Miller to get that team to the playoffs.

The main point in all of this is that people are here trying to argue that "look at Stevens what he's accomplished with THIS level of talent, Doc can't hold a candle to him", but forget that Doc had similar teams in the past, one can argue even worse than this (and I'd argue that easily), and had similar success. But more importantly, he had those teams over-performing. It's why he won Coach of the Year back then, one of those rare years in which the award was actually earned.

Would've loved to see those teams with a healthy Grant Hill.

I think you guys are a bit mixed up on the history.

The year that Doc won Coach of the Year, he didn't have any of those guys. No McGrady, no Miller, no Hill.

His best player was Darrell Armstrong. The rest of the rotation consisted of Bo Outlaw, Ben Wallace (before Wallace blossomed), John Amaechi, Chucky Atkins, Pat Garrity etc...basically one NBA starter and a bunch of bench players.

A few years back I did a comparison to try to find a team with less talent that ended up .500 and couldn't find anything even close.

This team Stevens has is worlds better in terms of talent. David Lee and Tyler Zeller are better than almost anyone Doc had, and we don't even play them.

The "Doc only wins with talent" trope is completely absurd. Just like the "Doc doesn't play rookies" trope. And the "Doc doesn't develop young players" trope.

Anyone with a rudimentary grasp of the history can see this. But hey, it's the internet, why let facts get in the way of a ridiculous narrative or three.

[Ogaju]

Tp! Doc is not a good basketball coach. I argued it almost his whole tenure here. Imo, he cost us one or two championships.

Maybe but KG was hurt one year and the Lakers were no scrubs.

I wish we got two championships also but it's not like it was a surprise we only got one.

Maybe Tony Allen rotted on our bench while Kobe went nuts.

And maybe Mr. Personality Manager refused to bench Ray Allen when he was ice cold.

Kobe went nuts in game 6. No way we had a chance there. Sheed played great in game 7 and it looked like we had that game. Maybe I'm sour because we lost but it felt like we got a bad run of fouls called on us in the fourth.

You don't think Tony could have slowed Kobe?

not in game 6. That was one of the greatest finals appearances ever. But game 7 we had them. I blame the officials way more then the rotations. Rivers also is the type of coach who is going to ride the guys who got him there. It's part of the reason he gets the most out of his veterans. It's a mutual respect between coach and player.

In the end he helped get us to game 7. Officials took that game from us.

that is not mutual respect. That is a lack of judgment and ability to adjust.

What move would you have gone to?

You want to put Tony Allen in and run a play for him in game 7 of the NBA championship?

Or Nate Robinson? In what world do you take Ray Allen out for Nate Robinson or Tony Allen in game 7?

Maybe if Doc had Olynyk or Smart or Jerebko on the bench. Let's face it. Stevens has a less talented but deeper team then Rivers. Don't get things twisted.

PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE!!! Don't even dare compare CBS to Glenn Rivers in coaching. Rivers accepts his inability to coach when he hightailed it out of town at the slightest hint of 'trouble'. He ran to a team a loaded team only to do no better than the fired coach.

How dare you talk about CBS having deeper talent. You want to know why we are enjoying our team now? Its because we have a coach. The reason we look deep is we have a real coach that actually coaches his team up and plays the players he has. Rivers rides his stars. He can never do the job CBS has done with this Boston team.

Further evidence of Rivers' acceptance of his ineptness is the amount of NBA HEAD COACHES he has on the bench next to him. He has about 2 or three former head coaches on his bench. The guy cannot coach. Whatever coaching the 2008 team got was Thibs.

If you aren't capable of seeing that we have more depth on this team then the one Rivers coached, then it's not worth debating with you.

The current Celtics roster is deep? Don't you understand that depth is relative? Your depth is as much a function of quality of starters as it is quality of reserves. Now tell me again just how deep we are when most of the players that Brad as turned into the envy of the league were said not to be quality starters at the beginning of the season.