Brad Stevens just exposes how overrated Doc Rivers is

[Tr1boy]

I think that you underrate how far Doc took some untalented teams.

which untalented teams did Doc take far??

the team that had Dhoward/Torkulu?  The team that had the big three? The team that had Griffin/Paul?

Rivers has a place in the league and so does CBS.  Rivers is better for managing big personalities/star players. CBS better at developing/managing underrated blue coller workers like Crowder/Smart/KO

Rivers never coached Dwight Howard... O.o

OK. Tracy mcgrady then

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think that you underrate how far Doc took some untalented teams.

which untalented teams did Doc take far??

the team that had Dhoward/Torkulu?  The team that had the big three? The team that had Griffin/Paul?

Rivers has a place in the league and so does CBS.  Rivers is better for managing big personalities/star players. CBS better at developing/managing underrated blue coller workers like Crowder/Smart/KO

Rivers never coached Dwight Howard... O.o

OK. Tracy mcgrady then

Yay! He had one good player in Tracy McGrady, a 21 year-old at that. And practically no one else of note making worthwhile contributions. Yet, he had those teams with winning records and got them into the playoffs.

Prior to that he led a team whose best player was Darrel Armstrong to a .500 record. It does seem like you have no notion on how bad the talent Rivers was working with, and how hard he had them playing.

To discount the accomplishments with those teams, just to accentuate your love for Stevens, is absurd.

[Ogaju]

Tp! Doc is not a good basketball coach. I argued it almost his whole tenure here. Imo, he cost us one or two championships.

This

[GreenFaith1819]

Rivers is a great manager of veteran players. Veteran players respect him and he's a great motivator.

I remember a lot of those timeouts that they showed during the playoffs. Rivers always came across like his team was in the middle of a heavy weight boxing match. And his teams always battled and responded to him.   

Say what you want about his ability to manage rookies but he was perfect for our big three era.

This.

I don't get the Doc Rivers (and RONDO) hate on this blog, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpxtiQZiK2c

This BEAUTIFUL game Right Here was the pivotal game of our Champion Season.

We lose THIS game? We'd probably go back to BOS with a TIED series, because we went on to lose Game 6 without Perk in the lineup.

Doc Rivers WILLED this team to a victory....not Paul Pierce, not KG, not Ray.

I will ALWAYS appreciate what Glenn Doc Rivers did for us in Boston. Truly a great coach and motivator.

[Ogaju]

Tp! Doc is not a good basketball coach. I argued it almost his whole tenure here. Imo, he cost us one or two championships.

Maybe but KG was hurt one year and the Lakers were no scrubs.

I wish we got two championships also but it's not like it was a surprise we only got one.

Maybe Tony Allen rotted on our bench while Kobe went nuts.

And maybe Mr. Personality Manager refused to bench Ray Allen when he was ice cold.

Kobe went nuts in game 6. No way we had a chance there. Sheed played great in game 7 and it looked like we had that game. Maybe I'm sour because we lost but it felt like we got a bad run of fouls called on us in the fourth.

You don't think Tony could have slowed Kobe?

not in game 6. That was one of the greatest finals appearances ever. But game 7 we had them. I blame the officials way more then the rotations. Rivers also is the type of coach who is going to ride the guys who got him there. It's part of the reason he gets the most out of his veterans. It's a mutual respect between coach and player.

In the end he helped get us to game 7. Officials took that game from us.

that is not mutual respect. That is a lack of judgment and ability to adjust.

[KeepRondo]

I think that you underrate how far Doc took some untalented teams.

which untalented teams did Doc take far??

the team that had Dhoward/Torkulu?  The team that had the big three? The team that had Griffin/Paul?

Rivers has a place in the league and so does CBS.  Rivers is better for managing big personalities/star players. CBS better at developing/managing underrated blue coller workers like Crowder/Smart/KO

Rivers never coached Dwight Howard... O.o

OK. Tracy mcgrady then

Yay! He had one good player in Tracy McGrady, a 21 year-old at that. And practically no one else of note making worthwhile contributions. Yet, he had those teams with winning records and got them into the playoffs.

Prior to that he led a team whose best player was Darrel Armstrong to a .500 record. It does seem like you have no notion on how bad the talent Rivers was working with, and how hard he had them playing.

To discount the accomplishments with those teams, just to accentuate your love for Stevens, is absurd.

A young Mike Miller was on that team also right?

He was pretty good.

[SHAQATTACK]

Doc is no good at building a team.  He ran away from the Celtics .  He never was much good with a normal average team trying to make it to the next level.  He is not much for making people better.

Doc has to have THE best talent to susceed . 

Doc is great at orchestrate a team of all stars and divas...he tells them what they want to hear. Keeps the locker room running smooth.   He is sort of a groupie himself loving the limelight and prestige of hanging with the stars .

He is a fantastic Wizzard at calming and getting huge egos to behave and making them THINK they are more important than the next guy .......so he maybe a great bs artist

He would be awful in college ....wher you actually have to WORK and TEACh ...LOL

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think that you underrate how far Doc took some untalented teams.

which untalented teams did Doc take far??

the team that had Dhoward/Torkulu?  The team that had the big three? The team that had Griffin/Paul?

Rivers has a place in the league and so does CBS.  Rivers is better for managing big personalities/star players. CBS better at developing/managing underrated blue coller workers like Crowder/Smart/KO

Rivers never coached Dwight Howard... O.o

OK. Tracy mcgrady then

Yay! He had one good player in Tracy McGrady, a 21 year-old at that. And practically no one else of note making worthwhile contributions. Yet, he had those teams with winning records and got them into the playoffs.

Prior to that he led a team whose best player was Darrel Armstrong to a .500 record. It does seem like you have no notion on how bad the talent Rivers was working with, and how hard he had them playing.

To discount the accomplishments with those teams, just to accentuate your love for Stevens, is absurd.

A young Mike Miller was on that team also right?

He was pretty good.

We can also say that Bradley is pretty good, that Turner is pretty good, that Crowder is pretty good, that Amir is pretty good, etc., etc..

They're decent players who play a role, that's it. They aren't super stars or anything.

But yeah, pretty much a rookie and a sophomore Mike Miller. That's what he was counting on.

[KeepRondo]

Tp! Doc is not a good basketball coach. I argued it almost his whole tenure here. Imo, he cost us one or two championships.

Maybe but KG was hurt one year and the Lakers were no scrubs.

I wish we got two championships also but it's not like it was a surprise we only got one.

Maybe Tony Allen rotted on our bench while Kobe went nuts.

And maybe Mr. Personality Manager refused to bench Ray Allen when he was ice cold.

Kobe went nuts in game 6. No way we had a chance there. Sheed played great in game 7 and it looked like we had that game. Maybe I'm sour because we lost but it felt like we got a bad run of fouls called on us in the fourth.

You don't think Tony could have slowed Kobe?

not in game 6. That was one of the greatest finals appearances ever. But game 7 we had them. I blame the officials way more then the rotations. Rivers also is the type of coach who is going to ride the guys who got him there. It's part of the reason he gets the most out of his veterans. It's a mutual respect between coach and player.

In the end he helped get us to game 7. Officials took that game from us.

that is not mutual respect. That is a lack of judgment and ability to adjust.

What move would you have gone to?

You want to put Tony Allen in and run a play for him in game 7 of the NBA championship?

Or Nate Robinson? In what world do you take Ray Allen out for Nate Robinson or Tony Allen in game 7?

Maybe if Doc had Olynyk or Smart or Jerebko on the bench. Let's face it. Stevens has a less talented but deeper team then Rivers. Don't get things twisted.

[KeepRondo]

I think that you underrate how far Doc took some untalented teams.

which untalented teams did Doc take far??

the team that had Dhoward/Torkulu?  The team that had the big three? The team that had Griffin/Paul?

Rivers has a place in the league and so does CBS.  Rivers is better for managing big personalities/star players. CBS better at developing/managing underrated blue coller workers like Crowder/Smart/KO

Rivers never coached Dwight Howard... O.o

OK. Tracy mcgrady then

Yay! He had one good player in Tracy McGrady, a 21 year-old at that. And practically no one else of note making worthwhile contributions. Yet, he had those teams with winning records and got them into the playoffs.

Prior to that he led a team whose best player was Darrel Armstrong to a .500 record. It does seem like you have no notion on how bad the talent Rivers was working with, and how hard he had them playing.

To discount the accomplishments with those teams, just to accentuate your love for Stevens, is absurd.

A young Mike Miller was on that team also right?

He was pretty good.

We can also say that Bradley is pretty good, that Turner is pretty good, that Crowder is pretty good, that Amir is pretty good, etc., etc..

They're decent players who play a role, that's it. They aren't super stars or anything.

But yeah, pretty much a rookie and a sophomore Mike Miller. That's what he was counting on.

I agree with you. But Mike Miller was better than AB or Crowder. Your post just got me remembering that Mcgrady/Miller combo. To bad they were never able to surround them with better players.

[Ogaju]

Rivers is a great manager of veteran players. Veteran players respect him and he's a great motivator.

I remember a lot of those timeouts that they showed during the playoffs. Rivers always came across like his team was in the middle of a heavy weight boxing match. And his teams always battled and responded to him.   

Say what you want about his ability to manage rookies but he was perfect for our big three era.

This.

I don't get the Doc Rivers (and RONDO) hate on this blog, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpxtiQZiK2c

This BEAUTIFUL game Right Here was the pivotal game of our Champion Season.

We lose THIS game? We'd probably go back to BOS with a TIED series, because we went on to lose Game 6 without Perk in the lineup.

Doc Rivers WILLED this team to a victory....not Paul Pierce, not KG, not Ray.

I will ALWAYS appreciate what Glenn Doc Rivers did for us in Boston. Truly a great coach and motivator.

Funny but it was Pierce KG Allen and House that I saw making play after play after play. I didn't see Rivers bench any of them or make any profound adjustment. Barking and barking is not coaching. No one has ever pointed out any coaching adjustment that led to that come back. I am a student of the game and I recognize coaching adjustments when I see it. What I saw in the 2008 finals was a inept coaching that was helped along by 'timely' injuries and foul trouble.

[SHAQATTACK]

What would be really a reality check on Docs so called expertise ....

What if DA rebuilds a team from scratch with no stars to begin and wins  another title  BEFORE  Doc can win .....where he dropped right into a star studded situation ....with CP3 basically THE brain .

I'm not sure if doc had 100 years more as a coach he could build a team and win a title ......in the mannor CBS is trying.


When Cp3 goes ......Doc will get out ......he knows he can't build a team.....he just isn't smart enough.

[Chief]

Doc is no good at building a team.  He ran away from the Celtics .  He never was much good with a normal average team trying to make it to the next level.  He is not much for making people better.

Doc has to have THE best talent to susceed . 

Doc is great at orchestrate a team of all stars and divas...he tells them what they want to hear. Keeps the locker room running smooth.   He is sort of a groupie himself loving the limelight and prestige of hanging with the stars .

He is a fantastic Wizzard at calming and getting huge egos to behave and making them THINK they are more important than the next guy .......so he maybe a great bs artist

He would be awful in college ....wher you actually have to WORK and TEACh ...LOL

What's success? Making the playoffs?

Clippers have a ton of talent and they are the 4th best team in that conference. 

[Ogaju]

Tp! Doc is not a good basketball coach. I argued it almost his whole tenure here. Imo, he cost us one or two championships.

Maybe but KG was hurt one year and the Lakers were no scrubs.

I wish we got two championships also but it's not like it was a surprise we only got one.

Maybe Tony Allen rotted on our bench while Kobe went nuts.

And maybe Mr. Personality Manager refused to bench Ray Allen when he was ice cold.

Kobe went nuts in game 6. No way we had a chance there. Sheed played great in game 7 and it looked like we had that game. Maybe I'm sour because we lost but it felt like we got a bad run of fouls called on us in the fourth.

You don't think Tony could have slowed Kobe?

not in game 6. That was one of the greatest finals appearances ever. But game 7 we had them. I blame the officials way more then the rotations. Rivers also is the type of coach who is going to ride the guys who got him there. It's part of the reason he gets the most out of his veterans. It's a mutual respect between coach and player.

In the end he helped get us to game 7. Officials took that game from us.

that is not mutual respect. That is a lack of judgment and ability to adjust.

What move would you have gone to?

You want to put Tony Allen in and run a play for him in game 7 of the NBA championship?

Or Nate Robinson? In what world do you take Ray Allen out for Nate Robinson or Tony Allen in game 7?

Maybe if Doc had Olynyk or Smart or Jerebko on the bench. Let's face it. Stevens has a less talented but deeper team then Rivers. Don't get things twisted.

PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE!!! Don't even dare compare CBS to Glenn Rivers in coaching. Rivers accepts his inability to coach when he hightailed it out of town at the slightest hint of 'trouble'. He ran to a team a loaded team only to do no better than the fired coach.

How dare you talk about CBS having deeper talent. You want to know why we are enjoying our team now? Its because we have a coach. The reason we look deep is we have a real coach that actually coaches his team up and plays the players he has. Rivers rides his stars. He can never do the job CBS has done with this Boston team.

Further evidence of Rivers' acceptance of his ineptness is the amount of NBA HEAD COACHES he has on the bench next to him. He has about 2 or three former head coaches on his bench. The guy cannot coach. Whatever coaching the 2008 team got was Thibs.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think that you underrate how far Doc took some untalented teams.

which untalented teams did Doc take far??

the team that had Dhoward/Torkulu?  The team that had the big three? The team that had Griffin/Paul?

Rivers has a place in the league and so does CBS.  Rivers is better for managing big personalities/star players. CBS better at developing/managing underrated blue coller workers like Crowder/Smart/KO

Rivers never coached Dwight Howard... O.o

OK. Tracy mcgrady then

Yay! He had one good player in Tracy McGrady, a 21 year-old at that. And practically no one else of note making worthwhile contributions. Yet, he had those teams with winning records and got them into the playoffs.

Prior to that he led a team whose best player was Darrel Armstrong to a .500 record. It does seem like you have no notion on how bad the talent Rivers was working with, and how hard he had them playing.

To discount the accomplishments with those teams, just to accentuate your love for Stevens, is absurd.

A young Mike Miller was on that team also right?

He was pretty good.

We can also say that Bradley is pretty good, that Turner is pretty good, that Crowder is pretty good, that Amir is pretty good, etc., etc..

They're decent players who play a role, that's it. They aren't super stars or anything.

But yeah, pretty much a rookie and a sophomore Mike Miller. That's what he was counting on.

I agree with you. But Mike Miller was better than AB or Crowder. Your post just got me remembering that Mcgrady/Miller combo. To bad they were never able to surround them with better players.

I'd say he was more on par with what Bradley offers us right now, but Crowder this particular season is a head above them.

We also have to account for Miller being a rookie and a sophomore, and the learning curve that comes with it. Surely Doc deserves some credit there, I mean he had to count on 30 minutes or so a night from Miller to get that team to the playoffs.

The main point in all of this is that people are here trying to argue that "look at Stevens what he's accomplished with THIS level of talent, Doc can't hold a candle to him", but forget that Doc had similar teams in the past, one can argue even worse than this (and I'd argue that easily), and had similar success. But more importantly, he had those teams over-performing. It's why he won Coach of the Year back then, one of those rare years in which the award was actually earned.

Would've loved to see those teams with a healthy Grant Hill.