Brad Stevens vs Rivers' Clippers who wins an NBA championship first

[moiso]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

What exactly did he bring us... Ainge put the team together..... roll out the ball with Luke Walton as coach and the 2008 team wins the Championship. He is not a Celtic legend. He did not play for the Celtics, he was not a Celtic lifer. Heck he never even set roots in Boston. He was out of town at the first sign of adversity, and he screwed the Cs on the way out.

Pretty sure Doc being the coach was a positive factor in so many guys coming to play in Boston.  Guys wanted to play for him.

If it was ever true .......it is even less so at this point.

What major free agent signings did the Celts have? Did they sign an all star with Doc around? They traded for two. They  re upped.  There was no rush of major free agents to come play with Doc.

Kg agreed to waive his no trade clause and I'm sure Doc figured into his thinking.  Rasheed, Shaq, Jermaine Oneal.  PJ Brown and James Posey were huge contributors to our title.  They were all either huge signing or had the potential to be huge.

[Ogaju]

and not one of them had anything to do with Doc, not one.

KG agreed to trade only after Allen was signed.

[Eja117]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

What exactly did he bring us... Ainge put the team together..... roll out the ball with Luke Walton as coach and the 2008 team wins the Championship. He is not a Celtic legend. He did not play for the Celtics, he was not a Celtic lifer. Heck he never even set roots in Boston. He was out of town at the first sign of adversity, and he screwed the Cs on the way out.

Pretty sure Doc being the coach was a positive factor in so many guys coming to play in Boston.  Guys wanted to play for him.

If it was ever true .......it is even less so at this point.

What major free agent signings did the Celts have? Did they sign an all star with Doc around? They traded for two. They  re upped.  There was no rush of major free agents to come play with Doc.

Kg agreed to waive his no trade clause and I'm sure Doc figured into his thinking.  Rasheed, Shaq, Jermaine Oneal.  PJ Brown and James Posey were huge contributors to our title.  They were all either huge signing or had the potential to be huge.

JON and Shaq were on their last legs. PJ clearly wasn't in a rush to sign with Doc because he wasn't signed till mid season. Posey was a value guy and left as soon as he had the chance. I think these guys came here to chase rings with the Big 3. I think they would have come here if the ghost of Mao Tse Tung had been the coach.

[wdleehi]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

[wdleehi]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

[Eja117]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

[wdleehi]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics. 

[Eja117]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

So today which team would the Warriors be more likely to lose to?  The Clips or the Celtics?

[wdleehi]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

So today which team would the Warriors be more likely to lose to?  The Clips or the Celtics?

In a playoff scenario, the Clippers.   There is no one on the Celtics team that can do what Blake or Paul have done.  No one as clutch as Pierce. 

[Eja117]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

So today which team would the Warriors be more likely to lose to?  The Clips or the Celtics?

In a playoff scenario, the Clippers.   There is no one on the Celtics team that can do what Blake or Paul have done.  No one as clutch as Pierce.

I'll agree to disagree. Pierce isn't exactly our Grandpa's Pierce any more and Blake and Paul haven't done anything.

[KeepRondo]

Clips look terrible.

Some criticism I have of the Clips -

They use Deandre Jordan on offense like he's Kendrick Perkins.

Blake Griffin still has an awkward jump shot.

Doc Rivers over obsession with veterans turned this team into a sluggish and slow team.

Chris Paul is starting to not look as sharp.

[wdleehi]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

So today which team would the Warriors be more likely to lose to?  The Clips or the Celtics?

In a playoff scenario, the Clippers.   There is no one on the Celtics team that can do what Blake or Paul have done.  No one as clutch as Pierce.

I'll agree to disagree. Pierce isn't exactly our Grandpa's Pierce any more and Blake and Paul haven't done anything.

What have any of the current Celtics done? 

Meanwhile we can point to what Blake, Paul and even Pierce did last year in the playoffs.



I wish I could pick the Celtics at this point, but that is not where they are yet in the rebuild.  And there is nothing wrong with that.  The process is moving forward.

[MBunge]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

When Doc arrived in LA, everyone looked at the Clippers as legitimate title contenders.  If the best thing you can say about them three years later is that they're a little better than a team without a single all-star, that does not reflect well on Doc.

Mike

[wdleehi]

Clips look terrible.

Some criticism I have of the Clips -

They use Deandre Jordan on offense like he's Kendrick Perkins.

Blake Griffin still has an awkward jump shot.

Doc Rivers over obsession with veterans turned this team into a sluggish and slow team.

Chris Paul starting to not look as sharp.

Clippers look awful and the Celtics look good yet they have the same record.  What happens when the Clippers start looking good?

[Eja117]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

So today which team would the Warriors be more likely to lose to?  The Clips or the Celtics?

In a playoff scenario, the Clippers.   There is no one on the Celtics team that can do what Blake or Paul have done.  No one as clutch as Pierce.

I'll agree to disagree. Pierce isn't exactly our Grandpa's Pierce any more and Blake and Paul haven't done anything.

What have any of the current Celtics done? 

Meanwhile we can point to what Blake, Paul and even Pierce did last year in the playoffs.



I wish I could pick the Celtics at this point, but that is not where they are yet in the rebuild.  And there is nothing wrong with that.  The process is moving forward.

Well the Celts pushed the champions to double OT the other night.  And facts are that the Celts have generally beaten expectations and the Clips haven't.