Brad Stevens vs Rivers' Clippers who wins an NBA championship first

[Ogaju]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

What exactly did he bring us... Ainge put the team together..... roll out the ball with Luke Walton as coach and the 2008 team wins the Championship. He is not a Celtic legend. He did not play for the Celtics, he was not a Celtic lifer. Heck he never even set roots in Boston. He was out of town at the first sign of adversity, and he screwed the Cs on the way out.

Pretty sure Doc being the coach was a positive factor in so many guys coming to play in Boston.  Guys wanted to play for him.

another widely held belief, without any evidence whatsoever, that got to Rivers' head. I wonder how much that was a spin that he put out there.

[littleteapot]

"If you want me to vote for the coach of the year, I'm taking the guy with the best players." -Jeff Van Gundy

Doc just has more talent to work with.

[Denis998]

"If you want me to vote for the coach of the year, I'm taking the guy with the best players." -Jeff Van Gundy

Doc just has more talent to work with.

I dont really understand that quote, how does having better players translate to higher coaching ability? If Pop didn't have Duncan, would have he been a bad coach?

[SHAQATTACK]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

What exactly did he bring us... Ainge put the team together..... roll out the ball with Luke Walton as coach and the 2008 team wins the Championship. He is not a Celtic legend. He did not play for the Celtics, he was not a Celtic lifer. Heck he never even set roots in Boston. He was out of town at the first sign of adversity, and he screwed the Cs on the way out.

Pretty sure Doc being the coach was a positive factor in so many guys coming to play in Boston.  Guys wanted to play for him.

If it was ever true .......it is even less so at this point.

[Eja117]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

What exactly did he bring us... Ainge put the team together..... roll out the ball with Luke Walton as coach and the 2008 team wins the Championship. He is not a Celtic legend. He did not play for the Celtics, he was not a Celtic lifer. Heck he never even set roots in Boston. He was out of town at the first sign of adversity, and he screwed the Cs on the way out.

Pretty sure Doc being the coach was a positive factor in so many guys coming to play in Boston.  Guys wanted to play for him.

If it was ever true .......it is even less so at this point.

What major free agent signings did the Celts have? Did they sign an all star with Doc around? They traded for two. They  re upped.  There was no rush of major free agents to come play with Doc.

[manl_lui]

The problem is Doc's unholy love for DeAndre Jordan.  I don't know if it's because Doc never got over the trade of Perk but he came in convinced that Jordan was part of a Clippers Big 3 but he's just not good enough for that status.

I'm not a Josh Smith fan but why he brought him in and isn't playing him a lot at the 5 in small ball lineups with Griffin is beyond me.

Mike

or it's Doc's unholy love for playing/overplaying veterans. I think him and Tim Thibs are kinda the same, in the sense, he's going to drive the starters into either injuries or exhaustion.

I like to believe CBS wins it first because A. he has a younger crew, and B. a smarter GM.

I like the way CBS developed this team to the point where anyone can be replaced.

[MJohnnyboy]

As long as we're talking about Doc, what are the odds that he trades for more former Celtics? I could definitely see a Josh Smith + filler for Brandon Bass deal with the Lakers. I could also see the Clips and the Grizzlies swapping Lance Stephenson with Jeff Green. Am I crazy to think this is a possibility?

[BitterJim]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

What exactly did he bring us... Ainge put the team together..... roll out the ball with Luke Walton as coach and the 2008 team wins the Championship. He is not a Celtic legend. He did not play for the Celtics, he was not a Celtic lifer. Heck he never even set roots in Boston. He was out of town at the first sign of adversity, and he screwed the Cs on the way out.

Pretty sure Doc being the coach was a positive factor in so many guys coming to play in Boston.  Guys wanted to play for him.

If it was ever true .......it is even less so at this point.

What major free agent signings did the Celts have? Did they sign an all star with Doc around? They traded for two. They  re upped.  There was no rush of major free agents to come play with Doc.

We had most of our salary tied up with the big 3.  No all star is going to come play for the mid level exception. That's a ridiculous standard to hold anyone to

[BitterJim]

He was working for the Clippers while he was still on the Cs payroll. Did you follow the drama at all? He claimed he didn't get a letter that his employer sent to him.

Just because Danny managed to salvage a pick out of Rivers' betrayal does not mean he did us any favors.

The word at the time was he prevented the Clippers from sending us Bledsoe or DJ.

No, David Stern's decision to not allow us to make a trade with them for a year did that

[BornReady]

Stevens win a championship before doc and clippers

I dont see that core winning às they are

Theyre good not great

Spurs,GSW, okc beat them hands down

They need a swingman /SF that can defend and shoot
To counter durant, leonard, igloudala , thompson, barnes

Also their bench is alaways terrible
No matter how talented
I thought josh smith and lance would help but they play badly this start of the season

[Eja117]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

What exactly did he bring us... Ainge put the team together..... roll out the ball with Luke Walton as coach and the 2008 team wins the Championship. He is not a Celtic legend. He did not play for the Celtics, he was not a Celtic lifer. Heck he never even set roots in Boston. He was out of town at the first sign of adversity, and he screwed the Cs on the way out.

Pretty sure Doc being the coach was a positive factor in so many guys coming to play in Boston.  Guys wanted to play for him.

If it was ever true .......it is even less so at this point.

What major free agent signings did the Celts have? Did they sign an all star with Doc around? They traded for two. They  re upped.  There was no rush of major free agents to come play with Doc.

We had most of our salary tied up with the big 3.  No all star is going to come play for the mid level exception. That's a ridiculous standard to hold anyone to

Ok. And with the Clips he got a team with Blake, DeAndre, and CP3. I'm not sure I see the great player that came to play with them. He almost lost DeAndre though. He signed Pierce.

[littleteapot]

"If you want me to vote for the coach of the year, I'm taking the guy with the best players." -Jeff Van Gundy

Doc just has more talent to work with.

I dont really understand that quote, how does having better players translate to higher coaching ability? If Pop didn't have Duncan, would have he been a bad coach?

The point is that coaching is important, but ultimately talent can make anyone look like a good coach. The "which coach wins a championship first" question is more about the talent on the Clips and Celtics for the foreseeable future than the coaches.

[wdleehi]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

[Rondo9]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

Meh..... Forget luck.

[Eja117]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.