Brad Stevens vs Rivers' Clippers who wins an NBA championship first

[Celtics18]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

What exactly did he bring us... Ainge put the team together..... roll out the ball with Luke Walton as coach and the 2008 team wins the Championship. He is not a Celtic legend. He did not play for the Celtics, he was not a Celtic lifer. Heck he never even set roots in Boston. He was out of town at the first sign of adversity, and he screwed the Cs on the way out.

I actually don't believe just anyone could have accomplished what Doc accomplished with that '08 team.  If you recall, there were a lot of doubts about that team being able to come together and win when they were first put together.

Doc came up with a system, he managed some big egos, got them all to buy in, and become a championship team.  For that, I'll always hold him in esteem.

Thank you, Doc.

The only problem I recall is that everyone thought Cs spent so much to get the big three together that they did not have the complimentary players to add to that core. But no Rondo developed and the bench came together very well. The big three did a good job recruiting Thomas out of retirement, the Lakers lost Bynum and that is all she wrote.

Thomas?

[Ogaju]

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What is the name of the center we lured out of retirement after the All-Star break.

[mctyson]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

Wouldn't got that far, but he was the right coach for that 07-08 team.  No way anyone coming in from college or an unproven NBA coach could have handled those guys.

Look at Jason Kidd with the Nets - Doc should have been the coach of THAT team.

[Big333223]

What is the name of the center we lured out of retirement after the All-Star break.

PJ Brown.

[Ogaju]

What is the name of the center we lured out of retirement after the All-Star break.

PJ Brown.

Thanks.... PJ Brown !!!!

[BitterJim]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

What exactly did he bring us... Ainge put the team together..... roll out the ball with Luke Walton as coach and the 2008 team wins the Championship. He is not a Celtic legend. He did not play for the Celtics, he was not a Celtic lifer. Heck he never even set roots in Boston. He was out of town at the first sign of adversity, and he screwed the Cs on the way out.

How did he screw the C's on the way put? We got a pick and then hired Stevens,  which I think you'd agree put us in a way better position

[Ogaju]

He was working for the Clippers while he was still on the Cs payroll. Did you follow the drama at all? He claimed he didn't get a letter that his employer sent to him.

Just because Danny managed to salvage a pick out of Rivers' betrayal does not mean he did us any favors.

The word at the time was he prevented the Clippers from sending us Bledsoe or DJ.

[TA9]

Surely Stevens
Doc was wise to get out of here before the rebuilding started, because his flaws would have been exposed had he not been "traded" to the Clippers.

[KGs Knee]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

What exactly did he bring us... Ainge put the team together..... roll out the ball with Luke Walton as coach and the 2008 team wins the Championship. He is not a Celtic legend. He did not play for the Celtics, he was not a Celtic lifer. Heck he never even set roots in Boston. He was out of town at the first sign of adversity, and he screwed the Cs on the way out.

I actually don't believe just anyone could have accomplished what Doc accomplished with that '08 team.  If you recall, there were a lot of doubts about that team being able to come together and win when they were first put together.

Doc came up with a system, he managed some big egos, got them all to buy in, and become a championship team.  For that, I'll always hold him in esteem.

Thank you, Doc. 

Agreed.

The hate shown towards Doc by some here is pretty crazy.   Not every coach can bring a team with that many egos together and guide the team towards achieving what they did. Doc is also the coach that eventually got Pierce to chill out and become a better team player (they clashed at first). So he may not be the best 'X's and 'O's guy, and is obviously not a good GM, but he most certainly is a very good coach overall. Coaching involves more than just one aspect.

And I really have to laugh at the notion Doc left at the first sign of adversity. He did coach the team for a few years before KG & Ray showed up. He also had a stint in Orlando too, in which he won coach of the year. Doc isn't a Celtic "legend" in my eyes, but I at least consider him to be on par with any other coach than Red or Tommy, in the Celtics pantheon of coaches.

I like Stevens, but he has not achieved half of what Doc has. Hopefully he can achieve what Doc did.

[KGs Knee]

I will say this though, I can easily see the Celtics winning a title before the Clippers. I don't think Chris Paul and Blake Griffin are good enough to lead a team to a title, at least not without a much better supporting cast. Regular season success seems to be all they will ever achieve.

I think by the time the current LAC roster runs it's course the Celtics will be in position to challenge the Cavs.

[Ilikesports17]

both teams are 14-10 so much for Rivers not wanting to coach a rebuilding team. More like he did not want to be exposed by coaching a team without a superstar.
Heck he needed three first ballot hall of famers to win one championship.

We would be so worse off with him, I wonder when Clippers will cut bait.

yeah, unlike those other teams who did it without such stars....san antonio, miami, golden state...
oh wait!

who were the stars on GSW? Some coaches make the stars, others either have them shipped over or when they cant they run to those stars. That is the difference between Rivers and real coaches.

Who are the SURE first ballot hall of famers on GSW before this season.

Do you think Steve Kerr made Steph Curry the best player in basketball? I dont.

[Ogaju]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

What exactly did he bring us... Ainge put the team together..... roll out the ball with Luke Walton as coach and the 2008 team wins the Championship. He is not a Celtic legend. He did not play for the Celtics, he was not a Celtic lifer. Heck he never even set roots in Boston. He was out of town at the first sign of adversity, and he screwed the Cs on the way out.

I actually don't believe just anyone could have accomplished what Doc accomplished with that '08 team.  If you recall, there were a lot of doubts about that team being able to come together and win when they were first put together.

Doc came up with a system, he managed some big egos, got them all to buy in, and become a championship team.  For that, I'll always hold him in esteem.

Thank you, Doc. 

Agreed.

The hate shown towards Doc by some here is pretty crazy.   Not every coach can bring a team with that many egos together and guide the team towards achieving what they did. Doc is also the coach that eventually got Pierce to chill out and become a better team player (they clashed at first). So he may not be the best 'X's and 'O's guy, and is obviously not a good GM, but he most certainly is a very good coach overall. Coaching involves more than just one aspect.

And I really have to laugh at the notion Doc left at the first sign of adversity. He did coach the team for a few years before KG & Ray showed up. He also had a stint in Orlando too, in which he won coach of the year. Doc isn't a Celtic "legend" in my eyes, but I at least consider him to be on par with any other coach than Red or Tommy, in the Celtics pantheon of coaches.

I like Stevens, but he has not achieved half of what Doc has. Hopefully he can achieve what Doc did.

enough of giving Rivers the credit for what he didn't have to do. The big three had a common purpose to win a championship that had eluded them in their HOF careers. None of these three had a reputation for requiring special handling. None of them were head cases. Doc did not have to manage egos. These three were a coach's dream. You cannot point to any of them having a negative history with coaches in the NBA. If you are going to credit Rivers with incredible management because he was the glue that made the big three co-exist then what happened with the Ray Allen situation. Why wasn't he able to make that work?

[Who]

More a question about which organization is run better than which coach is better.

In which case, Boston is the easy choice. LAC is a rudderless ship.

[Ilikesports17]

I wouldnt bet on either winning in the next 5 years. I think we might be more serious contenders but it is really hard to win a championship. In the last 17 years we have had the
Pistons
Lakers
Celtics
Mavs
Heat
Spurs
Warriors win titles.
That is 7 teams over 17 seasons!

Go back to 1980. That is 35 seasons and there is a grand total of 9 champions. Which is an average of a new champion roughly every 4 years.

On top of that only the Pistons and arguable the Mavs won a title without a top 5 NBA player. The clippers dont have any clear avenue of improvement and the C's are without that top 5 player. As such Id give both teams a pretty slim shot. however I think the C's over the next 10 years (hopefully all with Brad) have a much better shot at bringing home a championship even if neither have favorable odds.

Also, Kobe and Shaq account for 6 of these titles, Duncan-Parker account for 5, Bird and Magic account for a combined 8. Lebron can claim 2 and now Steph 1. Dont forget Jordan accounts for 6. Of the 35 titles 28 were won by all-time top 20 or so NBA players (its a bit of a reach at Steph, but roll with it for me)

Since I dont think you can predict landing one then only GSW, Cleveland, SAS have a greater chance at a title. This leaves the other 27 teams vying for the 20% chance at a title without a legend.

Also this is leaving KG, PP, Isaiah #1, and Hakeem OFF of the legends list. If you include them then you are down to 3 titles won without legends. The Pistons, Mavs and someone else. I may have messed up the math.

[moiso]

The ungratefulness grosses me out.  Doc Rivers brought us something we hadn't had in over twenty years.  He did wonders with this squad.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a Celtics legend.

What exactly did he bring us... Ainge put the team together..... roll out the ball with Luke Walton as coach and the 2008 team wins the Championship. He is not a Celtic legend. He did not play for the Celtics, he was not a Celtic lifer. Heck he never even set roots in Boston. He was out of town at the first sign of adversity, and he screwed the Cs on the way out.

Pretty sure Doc being the coach was a positive factor in so many guys coming to play in Boston.  Guys wanted to play for him.