Why Mickey isn't signed yet

[LGC88]

He's barely going to play this season. Better to take that 4 year deal and guarantee some money than risk the restricted market after the season. Sounds to me he doesn't like where he landed and wants to avoid the D league if possible.

I agree, that's probably the most likely. Or perhaps he has a lot (too much?) confidence in himself.

probably gained too much confidence from reading Triboy's posts about him.  probably thinks he's going to start from day one based on that hype and worth a lot more.

this is on you Triboy

Dayam, my bad

Lol

We dont know what danny is offering him. If its 700k a year ,no wonder mickey is not signing. Joe Young from pacers got 4 year 4 million dollar deal.

Wow thats a crazy deal for a player drafted #43! Especially taken into consideration that Hunter will "only" make $957,200 this season !
Makes you question people who claim that an early 2nd rounder is better than a late 1st rounder contract wise

This is on certain GM's lack of etiquette. They are influencing the market in a wrong way.
We could say the same about signing 4 years 70mil for an Achilles injured player (Matthiews) that is not even a star and hasn't recover from the injury yet.
All this set the tone and make players too spoiled.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Reading between the lines, I think a few things happened on draft night that set this  situation up.

If  you guys recall, when Mickey was drafted by us at 33 he didn't look too pleased.

 He may not  have been given a  promise by us at 28, but I think it may have been intimated  to him.  The reason I say this is because after the draft it was said that the Celtics were surprised that Hunter fell  to us at 28 and were holding their breath on Mickey at 33 .

Now  Mickey  wants what he thinks is his: first round pay.

First round pay is actually what is being offered I'd say, and what has been rejected...

[LGC88]

Reading between the lines, I think a few things happened on draft night that set this  situation up.

If  you guys recall, when Mickey was drafted by us at 33 he didn't look too pleased.

 He may not  have been given a  promise by us at 28, but I think it may have been intimated  to him.  The reason I say this is because after the draft it was said that the Celtics were surprised that Hunter fell  to us at 28 and were holding their breath on Mickey at 33 .

Now  Mickey  wants what he thinks is his: first round pay.

First round pay is actually what is being offered I'd say, and what has been rejected...

If that's the case, then I suspect he doesn't want to be here.

[Tr1boy]

Reading between the lines, I think a few things happened on draft night that set this  situation up.

If  you guys recall, when Mickey was drafted by us at 33 he didn't look too pleased.

 He may not  have been given a  promise by us at 28, but I think it may have been intimated  to him.  The reason I say this is because after the draft it was said that the Celtics were surprised that Hunter fell  to us at 28 and were holding their breath on Mickey at 33 .

Now  Mickey  wants what he thinks is his: first round pay.

First round pay is actually what is being offered I'd say, and what has been rejected...

I doubt it . Structure of the deal is 1st round level (2 year guarantee/2 year team option) but i wouldnt be surprised if its like 700k a season.

If it was 900k-950k to start off, no reason why mickey shouldnt sign.   

Btw i agree with your theory. I think mickey got a verbal promise broken twice. I do believe another team prior to us picking 28 did make a promise but broke it also. Prob kicking themselves in the head

[BudweiserCeltic]

Reading between the lines, I think a few things happened on draft night that set this  situation up.

If  you guys recall, when Mickey was drafted by us at 33 he didn't look too pleased.

 He may not  have been given a  promise by us at 28, but I think it may have been intimated  to him.  The reason I say this is because after the draft it was said that the Celtics were surprised that Hunter fell  to us at 28 and were holding their breath on Mickey at 33 .

Now  Mickey  wants what he thinks is his: first round pay.

First round pay is actually what is being offered I'd say, and what has been rejected...

I doubt it . Structure of the deal is 1st round level (2 year guarantee/2 year team option) but i wouldnt be surprised if its like 700k a season.

If it was 900k-950k to start off, no reason why mickey shouldnt sign.   

Btw i agree with your theory. I think mickey got a verbal promise broken twice. I do believe another team prior to us picking 28 did make a promise but broke it also. Prob kicking themselves in the head

I'm projecting his starting salary to be in the $800,000. It may not perfectly structured as a first rounder would, but it's close to it.

This was deleted tweet from Bulpett:

Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop
Celts, Mickey had hit a "roadblock," w/2nd rd pick considering 1-yr tender. But now appears 4-yr deal (2 guar, 2 team opt) will happen.

From the Herald:

"According to sources, the Celtics were offering the No. 33 overall selection a four-year deal — two years guaranteed and two more at the team’s option — that was the richest given a second-round pick."

[mmmmm]

While I can believe some team may have made Mickey a draft promise, I'm not sure I believe that Ainge did.

Ainge just seems waaaay too careful with his agreements.   He's also just recently been the beneficiary of a highly touted prospect (Sullinger) falling down through the draft and into his lap in the 2012 draft. 

It just makes no sense to make a draft promise to anyone unless maybe if you are picking in the top 5 of a well-defined draft (where everyone knows how the top picks will play out).

Deeper in the draft, just way too many weird things can (and usually do) happen.

And the fact is, he was actively trying to move all of his picks.

The more interesting take-away from these reports for me is that this pretty much wipes away any notion that Mickey would be stashed in Europe or the D-League.  They are trying to sign him to have on the 15 man roster.

Assuming Thornton _will_ be stashed, but now with the Perry Jones contract arriving along with it's 2019 2nd round pick (Det) incentive, that puts us at 16 contracts for 15 roster spots.

Next move, Danny?

[Eja117]

I think some people are missing the point here. A lot of players believe a first round rookie deal is a horrid deal for the player. They are purposely designed to lock in a player very cheap for a very long time. They are considered some of the best deals in the NBA.  Amir Johnson got 12 million a year. Jahil Okafor will get 5....for maybe 3 or 4 years.

What KJ McDaniels did was very clever and other players will now follow suit.

[Beat LA]

Wow - this is a new low.  I get that no prominent free agents want to sign here, but now we can't even agree to terms with our own draft picks?  Oh man .

So long Jordan Mackey - Sherrod hardly knew ye .

[Eja117]

I would not sign a one year deal, let him look for job elsewhere and us retain his rights. We don't need him this year as it is considering the depth.

This.

I'd renogotiate and do a 3 year deal, otherwise I'd just not sign him. We have his rights, he's not going to be on any NBA team but us. So if he won't accept a 3 year deal, then he's going to play either in the D - League or oversees. I'm pretty sure he'd rsthe be in the NBA.

He can sign the tender offer for one year.  If you don't offer him a tender, then you lose his rights and he can become a free agent before the season starts.

Isn't this a little like what Darius Songalia did to us back in the day? They wanted him to go to Europe and he was like "Nope. Don't want to. I'm coming to camp. If you don't like it cut me" so after camp they did and then he signed with the Wizards or something? And the second that happened he was master of his own destiny. Some guys know they can play. If he was going to Europe anyway he may as well own his own rights instead of someone else owning them.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Wow - this is a new low.  I get that no prominent free agents want to sign here, but now we can't even agree to terms with our own draft picks?  Oh man .

So long Jordan Mackey - Sherrod hardly knew ye .

Sure, that's exactly what's happening here O.o.

[Beat LA]

Btw, if the two sides can't agree on some sort of deal, I'm sure we could find guys who would gladly take it, like any of these players who were the bpa, imo (sorry triboy ), instead of Mickey at 33, in Josh Richardson (I'm not saying we can get him now, of course, but you get the idea), Terran Petteway, and Ryan Boatright (both of whom should have been drafted.  What is the matter with NBA scouts?  Wow ), not to mention Tyler Harvey, who should have been taken at 45 instead of Marcus Thornton.  How he was still available at 51 is beyond me, and apparently, from seeing a title of a youtube video yesterday, haha , he's just hoping to make the team . Seriously?  Oh Orlando...

[MSceltic]

Matt Babcock
Works for: APAA Sports Group
Current and Future Known Guaranteed Salary Represented as Primary Agent: $1,500,000
Current and Future Known Non-Guaranteed Salary Represented: $0

Represents:
Olu Ashaolu - (Primary)   Larry Blair - (Primary)   Clint Chapman - (Primary)
Chris Crawford - (Primary)   Cheikh Mbodj - (Primary)   Jordan Mickey - (Primary)
LeBryan Nash - (Primary)   Chris Oliver - (Primary)   Miroslav Raduljica - (Primary)
Jerome Randle - (Primary)   Garrick Sherman - (Primary)   D.J. Stephens - (Primary)
Brad Waldow - (Primary)   Kyle Weaver - (Primary)   


From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3gChFAZ9Y
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Mickey is his agent's only NBA talent signed with him. I think the disagreements are more his agent thinking he can get more money earlier if he advises his client to not sign a 4 year deal and become a FA quickly. Mickey is probably just trusting Babcock's advice.

[Beat LA]

Wow - this is a new low.  I get that no prominent free agents want to sign here, but now we can't even agree to terms with our own draft picks?  Oh man .

So long Jordan Mackey - Sherrod hardly knew ye .

Sure, that's exactly what's happening here O.o.

You know it (sarcasm) .

[saltlover]

Matt Babcock
Works for: APAA Sports Group
Current and Future Known Guaranteed Salary Represented as Primary Agent: $1,500,000
Current and Future Known Non-Guaranteed Salary Represented: $0

Represents:
Olu Ashaolu - (Primary)   Larry Blair - (Primary)   Clint Chapman - (Primary)
Chris Crawford - (Primary)   Cheikh Mbodj - (Primary)   Jordan Mickey - (Primary)
LeBryan Nash - (Primary)   Chris Oliver - (Primary)   Miroslav Raduljica - (Primary)
Jerome Randle - (Primary)   Garrick Sherman - (Primary)   D.J. Stephens - (Primary)
Brad Waldow - (Primary)   Kyle Weaver - (Primary)   


From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3gChFAZ9Y
http://www.draftexpress.com


Mickey is his agent's only NBA talent signed with him. I think the disagreements are more his agent thinking he can get more money earlier if he advises his client to not sign a 4 year deal and become a FA quickly. Mickey is probably just trusting Babcock's advice.

Here is a very interesting article about agents and rookie contracts. 

http://www.shamsports.com/2014/09/how-agents-make-money-out-of-rookie.html

For those to busy to read through the entire thing, if Mickey gets the minimum salary in a season, the agent gets a 2% fee.  If Mickey makes more than the minimum, he gets a 4%. If Mickey actually took the one year tender this year, the agent would only get 2% of the rookie minimum.  If the agent is looking for a payday he better do a really good job in the future should he advise his client to take the tender instead of a longer deal at above the minimum in at least some years.

It's an interesting standstill.  The Celtics are full on roster spots as is.  They have cap room, but only until they tell the league Jae Crowder is officially signed, or David Lee is officially traded for.  Once that caproom is gone, the Celtics can't offer Mickey as much.  I do think the agents is holding out for a guaranteed year 3, and I think the C's should give it to him and keep their option on year 4.  It's unclear what will happen if there's a new collective bargaining agreement, but it's probably best to have cheap players under contract coming out of it so that you can adapt quickly.  It wouldn't shock me at all if whatever salary they agree to now is altered in the future if the minimum salaries increase significantly, so bickering over a few dollars in year 3 could be moot anyway.

[saltlover]

I think some people are missing the point here. A lot of players believe a first round rookie deal is a horrid deal for the player. They are purposely designed to lock in a player very cheap for a very long time. They are considered some of the best deals in the NBA.  Amir Johnson got 12 million a year. Jahil Okafor will get 5....for maybe 3 or 4 years.

What KJ McDaniels did was very clever and other players will now follow suit.

Yeah.. I think that the draft slotting will be revisited by both sides in the next CBA.  Teams liked not guaranteeing a second-round choice, but if it means they lose their cost control, they might revisit that option.  Likewise, first round picks won't want to get paid less than second round picks... second round picks shouldn't get more leverage.  Will be an interesting bit of negotiation, both between players and owners and amongst each respective side.