Why Mickey isn't signed yet

[Eja117]

Give him a tender, let him sign it, and then stick him on the end of the bench where he doesn't get any playing time.  Let's see what his market value looks like next year, when we still retain his restricted rights.

There's nothing wrong with a rookie playing hardball.  If he wants to jeopardize his NBA career rather than go into a good situation, so be it.  However, the Celtics can put the screws to him, and I don't have any issue with it.

This is sorta the most realistic. But you would have to keep him away from the court, away from Maine, and away from the next summer league, because given any chance at all he will outplay what the Celtics want to pay for him. 

I don't think there's any way to get away from at some point paying this kid what he's worth or losing him. Maybe letting him do great and then trading him the way the Sixers traded KJ McDaniels is the best thing to do.

Or, don't sign him and let him go play abroad for now. Meanwhile M Thornton would be thrilled to have an outside chance of making the team from camp and the preseason.

He's not going abroad. He will be getting playing time in the NBA next year. Maybe not tons, but some.

[Eja117]

What it comes down to is a late first makes like 900K and he's worth about 2.5 or 3 mill (if not the mid level exception of 5) and he's going to get it.

The best shot is to put him at the end of the bench (as opposed to KJ McDaniels who played for the 76ers right away) and hope he doesn't play to his value.

if worse comes to worse someone overpays for him or you pay him what he's worth. If best comes to best he signs something longer term.

[mdmcdd1117]

He looks better than Sullinger and Olynyk to me. He plays better defense than both of them already;  he has a developing mid range game, and he's been rebounding very well in the summer league.  I say give him a chance to compete for major minutes, and if he pans out, make Sullinger or Oylynk the odd man out.

[Eja117]

Sully or KO would dominate this summer league but by the end of the year things could be pretty different. He doesn't seem to have the confidence and slowness issues of KO and he doesn't have the health/weight issues of Sully

[Al91]

I'm cautious over any player who is already having difficulty signing a deal with his team without proving anything.

I'm very concerned with the move to small lineups where 6'7-6'8 players could play the C position. I'm not sure Mickey has the tenacity that Draymond Green does or the ability to really play C.

I've seen Mickey be beat by players similar in size to him so far in SL. He needs to prove himself before he gets more $$$ at guaranteed years.

[clover]

What it comes down to is a late first makes like 900K and he's worth about 2.5 or 3 mill (if not the mid level exception of 5) and he's going to get it.

The best shot is to put him at the end of the bench (as opposed to KJ McDaniels who played for the 76ers right away) and hope he doesn't play to his value.

if worse comes to worse someone overpays for him or you pay him what he's worth. If best comes to best he signs something longer term.

Whoa--he's worth $5M?

[clover]

Give him a tender, let him sign it, and then stick him on the end of the bench where he doesn't get any playing time.  Let's see what his market value looks like next year, when we still retain his restricted rights.

There's nothing wrong with a rookie playing hardball.  If he wants to jeopardize his NBA career rather than go into a good situation, so be it.  However, the Celtics can put the screws to him, and I don't have any issue with it.

This is sorta the most realistic. But you would have to keep him away from the court, away from Maine, and away from the next summer league, because given any chance at all he will outplay what the Celtics want to pay for him. 

I don't think there's any way to get away from at some point paying this kid what he's worth or losing him. Maybe letting him do great and then trading him the way the Sixers traded KJ McDaniels is the best thing to do.

Or, don't sign him and let him go play abroad for now. Meanwhile M Thornton would be thrilled to have an outside chance of making the team from camp and the preseason.

He's not going abroad. He will be getting playing time in the NBA next year. Maybe not tons, but some.

The only way for the C's to guarantee they control him for three years is to send him abroad. Giving him a one-year contract, whether you play him or not, doesn't make any sense.

Also, they've already got Sully to showcase for a trade at this point--and only so many PF minutes to go around.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Imagine if he was drafted when KG/Pierce/Rondo were here? Add in Perk's mean mugs and he'd probably agree to a pay-to-play contract.

[tazzmaniac]

Give him a tender, let him sign it, and then stick him on the end of the bench where he doesn't get any playing time.  Let's see what his market value looks like next year, when we still retain his restricted rights.

There's nothing wrong with a rookie playing hardball.  If he wants to jeopardize his NBA career rather than go into a good situation, so be it.  However, the Celtics can put the screws to him, and I don't have any issue with it.

This is sorta the most realistic. But you would have to keep him away from the court, away from Maine, and away from the next summer league, because given any chance at all he will outplay what the Celtics want to pay for him. 

I don't think there's any way to get away from at some point paying this kid what he's worth or losing him. Maybe letting him do great and then trading him the way the Sixers traded KJ McDaniels is the best thing to do.

Or, don't sign him and let him go play abroad for now. Meanwhile M Thornton would be thrilled to have an outside chance of making the team from camp and the preseason.

He's not going abroad. He will be getting playing time in the NBA next year. Maybe not tons, but some.

The only way for the C's to guarantee they control him for three years is to send him abroad. Giving him a one-year contract, whether you play him or not, doesn't make any sense.

Also, they've already got Sully to showcase for a trade at this point--and only so many PF minutes to go around.

Mickey can't be sent abroad unless he agrees to it.  If he holds to his line, we'll be forced to give him the one year tender, give him a better multi-year guaranteed contract or release him for nothing.  Its funny all the crap (lousy organization, lousy GM) that was said about the Sixers and the McDaniels contract.  Now that we are in the situation, its because the player is being greedy. 

[Eja117]

Give him a tender, let him sign it, and then stick him on the end of the bench where he doesn't get any playing time.  Let's see what his market value looks like next year, when we still retain his restricted rights.

There's nothing wrong with a rookie playing hardball.  If he wants to jeopardize his NBA career rather than go into a good situation, so be it.  However, the Celtics can put the screws to him, and I don't have any issue with it.

This is sorta the most realistic. But you would have to keep him away from the court, away from Maine, and away from the next summer league, because given any chance at all he will outplay what the Celtics want to pay for him. 

I don't think there's any way to get away from at some point paying this kid what he's worth or losing him. Maybe letting him do great and then trading him the way the Sixers traded KJ McDaniels is the best thing to do.

Or, don't sign him and let him go play abroad for now. Meanwhile M Thornton would be thrilled to have an outside chance of making the team from camp and the preseason.

He's not going abroad. He will be getting playing time in the NBA next year. Maybe not tons, but some.

The only way for the C's to guarantee they control him for three years is to send him abroad. Giving him a one-year contract, whether you play him or not, doesn't make any sense.

Also, they've already got Sully to showcase for a trade at this point--and only so many PF minutes to go around.

Mickey can't be sent abroad unless he agrees to it.  If he holds to his line, we'll be forced to give him the one year tender, give him a better multi-year guaranteed contract or release him for nothing.  Its funny all the crap (lousy organization, lousy GM) that was said about the Sixers and the McDaniels contract.  Now that we are in the situation, its because the player is being greedy.

basically this

[Eja117]

What it comes down to is a late first makes like 900K and he's worth about 2.5 or 3 mill (if not the mid level exception of 5) and he's going to get it.

The best shot is to put him at the end of the bench (as opposed to KJ McDaniels who played for the 76ers right away) and hope he doesn't play to his value.

if worse comes to worse someone overpays for him or you pay him what he's worth. If best comes to best he signs something longer term.

Whoa--he's worth $5M?

It's a stretch, but I'd probably rather have him at 5 than Biyombo at 3

[Tr1boy]

We dont know if Danny is offering 700-800k.

Danny should give Mickey the same starting point as Hunter or just a notch below. 

If mickey wants more , im a fan but he is going to run into problems at the beginning of his career. Other gms are taking notes

[Tr1boy]

Something will be resolved by the end of the month. If not celtics will sign him to a one year deal (maybe overpay quite a bit) , and he will get traded. Danny will never draft a player who uses the same agent in the 2nd round and avoid drafting a player that uses the same agent in the 1st round.

[clover]

Give him a tender, let him sign it, and then stick him on the end of the bench where he doesn't get any playing time.  Let's see what his market value looks like next year, when we still retain his restricted rights.

There's nothing wrong with a rookie playing hardball.  If he wants to jeopardize his NBA career rather than go into a good situation, so be it.  However, the Celtics can put the screws to him, and I don't have any issue with it.

This is sorta the most realistic. But you would have to keep him away from the court, away from Maine, and away from the next summer league, because given any chance at all he will outplay what the Celtics want to pay for him. 

I don't think there's any way to get away from at some point paying this kid what he's worth or losing him. Maybe letting him do great and then trading him the way the Sixers traded KJ McDaniels is the best thing to do.

Or, don't sign him and let him go play abroad for now. Meanwhile M Thornton would be thrilled to have an outside chance of making the team from camp and the preseason.

He's not going abroad. He will be getting playing time in the NBA next year. Maybe not tons, but some.

The only way for the C's to guarantee they control him for three years is to send him abroad. Giving him a one-year contract, whether you play him or not, doesn't make any sense.

Also, they've already got Sully to showcase for a trade at this point--and only so many PF minutes to go around.

Mickey can't be sent abroad unless he agrees to it.  If he holds to his line, we'll be forced to give him the one year tender, give him a better multi-year guaranteed contract or release him for nothing.  Its funny all the crap (lousy organization, lousy GM) that was said about the Sixers and the McDaniels contract.  Now that we are in the situation, its because the player is being greedy.

Didn't realize that, thanks.

[tazzmaniac]

We dont know if Danny is offering 700-800k.

Danny should give Mickey the same starting point as Hunter or just a notch below. 

If mickey wants more , im a fan but he is going to run into problems at the beginning of his career. Other gms are taking notes

There are rumors of McDaniels getting the full MLE.  This old Lowe article mentions that Carl Landry and Lavoy Allen took the 1yr contract route and then got 3yr/9mil and 2yr/6mil contracts respectively.  Other GMs that like Mickey's talents won't be put off by him doing a 1yr contract. 
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/k-j-mcdaniels-sixers-non-guaranteed-contracts/