Why Mickey isn't signed yet

[Eja117]

Something will be resolved by the end of the month. If not celtics will sign him to a one year deal (maybe overpay quite a bit) , and he will get traded. Danny will never draft a player who uses the same agent in the 2nd round and avoid drafting a player that uses the same agent in the 1st round.

Definitely. You only get to play that card once. TP

[hwangjini_1]

Give him a tender, let him sign it, and then stick him on the end of the bench where he doesn't get any playing time.  Let's see what his market value looks like next year, when we still retain his restricted rights.

There's nothing wrong with a rookie playing hardball.  If he wants to jeopardize his NBA career rather than go into a good situation, so be it.  However, the Celtics can put the screws to him, and I don't have any issue with it.

This is sorta the most realistic. But you would have to keep him away from the court, away from Maine, and away from the next summer league, because given any chance at all he will outplay what the Celtics want to pay for him. 

I don't think there's any way to get away from at some point paying this kid what he's worth or losing him. Maybe letting him do great and then trading him the way the Sixers traded KJ McDaniels is the best thing to do.

Or, don't sign him and let him go play abroad for now. Meanwhile M Thornton would be thrilled to have an outside chance of making the team from camp and the preseason.

He's not going abroad. He will be getting playing time in the NBA next year. Maybe not tons, but some.

The only way for the C's to guarantee they control him for three years is to send him abroad. Giving him a one-year contract, whether you play him or not, doesn't make any sense.

Also, they've already got Sully to showcase for a trade at this point--and only so many PF minutes to go around.

Mickey can't be sent abroad unless he agrees to it.  If he holds to his line, we'll be forced to give him the one year tender, give him a better multi-year guaranteed contract or release him for nothing.  Its funny all the crap (lousy organization, lousy GM) that was said about the Sixers and the McDaniels contract.  Now that we are in the situation, its because the player is being greedy.

just curious, but why is he being deemed greedy? he believes he is worth more than a second rounder and is stating that. he had no control over where he would be picked, GMs did.

next, why should we take the celtics' offer as if IT were correct and fair? if mickey is asking too much according to ainge, i trust ainge will reject mickey's offer.

third, this is a big opportunity for mickey and he wants to make the most of it he can. such opportunites dont come around often. right now, mickey has some leverage, but is using what leverage he has. in his mind, one major injury to his knee or ankle and his career is over. he has zero leverage then.

it seems to be that mickey came to summer league to show people he is good. he did so far in SL competition. i dont see greed here.

[Tr1boy]

We dont know if Danny is offering 700-800k.

Danny should give Mickey the same starting point as Hunter or just a notch below. 

If mickey wants more , im a fan but he is going to run into problems at the beginning of his career. Other gms are taking notes

There are rumors of McDaniels getting the full MLE.  This old Lowe article mentions that Carl Landry and Lavoy Allen took the 1yr contract route and then got 3yr/9mil and 2yr/6mil contracts respectively.  Other GMs that like Mickey's talents won't be put off by him doing a 1yr contract. 
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/k-j-mcdaniels-sixers-non-guaranteed-contracts/

The thing is Landry and Allen got some mins to show what they have.  McDaniels to me took a wild risk and it might pay off.

I think the problem Mickey and his greedy agent have is, if he gets paid 700k as a starting point,  the Celtics may not have urgency to play him.  Or he could be sent to the D league (which is not what he wants).  The more he gets paid, the lower chance he gets sent down to the D league, the better chance he gets to showcase his talent

Danny has made it tough for guys like KO, Sully, Mickey and their agents moving fwd.  The pf spot is seriously overloaded and in the end only 4 will get regular playing time. 

Danny has to make a decision with Mickey and/or relating to the overcrowded pf situation.  He does not have to rush and make a bad deal. But just waiting around until the right deal comes along might mean losing a nice prospect like Mickey. 

[Tr1boy]

I know this is kind of cheap.  But could Danny instruct the coach to sit him out of the rest of the SL play until a contract is finalized??

[Eja117]

I know this is kind of cheap.  But could Danny instruct the coach to sit him out of the rest of the SL play until a contract is finalized??

I'd be fine with that

[knuckleballer]

People are comparing his situation to KJ McDaniels and I'm sure Mickey and his agent are looking at that as well.  However, McDaniels was on an awful/tanking team and had the opportunity for a lot of minutes.  Mickey has Lee, Johnson, Zeller, Sully, Olynyk, and even Jerekbo ahead of him on the depth chart for the 2 big spots.  You can even throw Crowder in the mix as he will play the 4 in some small lineups.  I can't see Mickey getting enough minutes as a rookie to convince any team to offer him any significant money, especially after he just fell to the second round.

[Eja117]

Agreed. That's why Roy's idea of keeping him on the bench makes the most sense. But you have to keep him away from Maine and the court.

[Tr1boy]

Agreed. That's why Roy's idea of keeping him on the bench makes the most sense. But you have to keep him away from Maine and the court.

The thing is, can Danny ask this from CBS. Does Danny operate this way?

CBS does not seem like a guy that wants to get involved in contract matters, and will play you if you deserve it. 


Per the article below (July 17th), I have a good feeling something will get done. Hopefully by early next week.

Danny offered 2 and 2. Mickey  camp wanted to go with the 1 year option (partial).  Mickey and his agent look like they have changed their mind and are willing to go with the longer deal, but prob want a little more pay (to feel like a 1st round pick).

The Celtics offered a four-year deal with two guaranteed seasons, but Mickey sought a shorter deal, Bulpett hears. The Matt Babcock client was prepared to sign the required tender, a one-year, non-guaranteed contract at the minimum salary, when Boston wouldn’t make concessions, as Bulpett details. However, Mickey’s camp was again talking about a long-term arrangement with the Celtics by Thursday afternoon, according to Bulpett.

[Tr1boy]

but consider, from last year

9:47am: McDaniels will make the minimum salary this year, as Wojnarowski reveals in his full story, one that suggests that the small forward simply signed the required tender that teams must make in order to retain the rights to their second-round picks. He rejected a long-term offer with terms similar to what Grant has in his contract, as agent Mark Bartelstein explains to Wojnarowski.

“The 76ers have a philosophy that they’re adhering to, and we totally respect that, but it doesn’t fit for K.J. and us,” Bartelstein said. “I just totally disagree with the idea of doing a four-year deal that includes a structure of two non-guaranteed years. We think K.J. is going to be a good player, and it came down to doing a one-year deal and letting the market determine his value. There’s no hard feelings. The Sixers’ philosophy has worked for them. It just doesn’t work for us.”

[Tr1boy]

So just to clarify

If Mickey signs a 1 year deal (partial), Celtics retain his rights. And he becomes a RFA for the 2016  offseason . Correct?

Is this kind of way out also available for 1st round picks? or is it 2 and 2 or nothing?

[Jon]

The problem for Mickey is that unlike McDaniels, he's not playing for the Sixers and will likely spend the bulk of the season either on the end of the bench or in the D-League.

So a 1 year deal doesn't seem like the best plan for him.

[saltlover]

So just to clarify

If Mickey signs a 1 year deal (partial), Celtics retain his rights. And he becomes a RFA for the 2016  offseason . Correct?

Is this kind of way out also available for 1st round picks? or is it 2 and 2 or nothing?

First round picks either sign a guaranteed contract for two years, which has 2 options for years 3 and 4 which must be exercised before year 2 and 3 respectively.  Otherwise they can mutually agree to sign with a foreign team or D-league, or their team can renounce the right to the pick altogether.  (Happened once with the Bulls -- I think it was Brevin Knight, but not sure).

Second round picks can be given a 1-year non-guaranteed tender, after which they become a restricted free agent.  Or they can sign for any other deal using cap room or cap exceptions, depending what is available to the team.  Historically this has meant many signed for the minimum level exception, which was two years at the minimum, and the negotiated potion was the guarantees.  Recently, as more teams have had cap room, draftees were given something like the minimum deal, but with up to four years, the last two being at the team option, and sometimes slightly more than that in year 1.  Dragons Green got more than the minimum for the first two years of his deal and then the minimum for the third.  I assume the C's were looking to do something similar with Mickey, except adding a fourth year.

[HomerSapien]

So just to clarify

If Mickey signs a 1 year deal (partial), Celtics retain his rights. And he becomes a RFA for the 2016  offseason . Correct?

Is this kind of way out also available for 1st round picks? or is it 2 and 2 or nothing?

1st round picks have a fixed salary structure so this wouldn't be an issue if Mickey was the 30th pick.

[saltlover]

The problem for Mickey is that unlike McDaniels, he's not playing for the Sixers and will likely spend the bulk of the season either on the end of the bench or in the D-League.

So a 1 year deal doesn't seem like the best plan for him.

McDaniels was traded midseason and got buried in Houston. Fairly sure being buried won't hurt him.

[Eja117]

If I were Mickey I would be more than happy to go to the D League. He would ruin the D League. He'd definitely increase his value there.