To Everyone Who Can't Understand Why Many of Us are Angry and/or Perplexed

[D.o.s.]

Re: free agency, Past Performance does not predict future results -- and KG was, essentially, a free agent when he came from Minny. At least, that's how it has been recast in popular culture.

Also, if Love is staying in Cleveland and LMA is bound for Los Angeles, and you know this for a fact, I would like to see some sources confirming it.

Cmon, when you have to use KG (who we traded AlJeff and GG plus a mess of other assets for) as an example of a FA coming here, then you're making my point for me..

Remember, KG had at least some control over where he was going, even though he wasn't a free agent by definition, the same way that Carmelo Anthony chose to go to the Knicks, even though he wasn't a free agent either.

KG veto'd the first Boston trade, then changed his mind when we acquired Ray Allen. The difference between what happened with KG and what happens with a free agent is so minute that it's not really worth considering as a meaningful difference.

[slamtheking]

what bothered me about the draft results is that Danny picked players that duplicated what we already have.  if this is a prelude to a trade of some of those dups for someone that fills an actual team need, I'm fine with that.

I thought that at each pick there was a player just as good if not better than the one we selected that could have addressed an actual team need.


having said that, I'm now really looking forward to the summer league in the hopes that all 4 of these guys, as well as Smart and Young, absolutely blow us away.  how the minutes get divvied up during the season should be interesting if a couple of guards aren't moved in a deal

[Csfan1984]

We need to let all the FA's go and trade IT, Avery Bradley, and ET.

If this was the plan then the draft would be great.
Smart/Rozier/Pressey
Hunter/Thornton
Young/Babb/Wallace
Sully/Mikey
Zeller/KO
Lab, Simmons or Brown here we come.

[P stoff]

Not sure how we duplicated anything in our 1st 2 picks in the draft.

 In Rozier we got only our 3rd G/F  (IT and Turner are the other two) who can do anything resembling dribble penetration or finishing.

We got a big SG...who can shoot

Am I missing something?

Did we actually think that we could get a game changer at 16,28, 33? 
You do remember most of these "big" name guys are 19 years old?

Anyone who wants the celtic team to be better should have always known it would come through trades and fA...which hasnt started yet.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Not sure how we duplicated anything in our 1st 2 picks in the draft.

 In Rozier we got only our 3rd G/F  (IT and Turner are the other two) who can do anything resembling dribble penetration or finishing.

We got a big SG...who can shoot

Am I missing something?

Did we actually think that we could get a game changer at 16,28, 33? 
You do remember most of these "big" name guys are 19 years old?

Anyone who wants the celtic team to be better should have always known it would come through trades and fA...which hasnt started yet.

Rozier isn't a G/F, is he? He's only 6-2.

And Hunter shot only 30.6% on threes last year, from a closer three-point line.

Sure, they could develop into real assets, and hopefully they do. But this is far from what many of us expected.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Re: free agency, Past Performance does not predict future results -- and KG was, essentially, a free agent when he came from Minny. At least, that's how it has been recast in popular culture.

Also, if Love is staying in Cleveland and LMA is bound for Los Angeles, and you know this for a fact, I would like to see some sources confirming it.

Cmon, when you have to use KG (who we traded AlJeff and GG plus a mess of other assets for) as an example of a FA coming here, then you're making my point for me..

Remember, KG had at least some control over where he was going, even though he wasn't a free agent by definition, the same way that Carmelo Anthony chose to go to the Knicks, even though he wasn't a free agent either.

KG veto'd the first Boston trade, then changed his mind when we acquired Ray Allen. The difference between what happened with KG and what happens with a free agent is so minute that it's not really worth considering as a meaningful difference.

To a point, the difference becomes on who's invited to the dance... meaning, on one side are teams with cap space, on the other are teams with trade assets.

[D.o.s.]

I would agree with that.

The underlying point of "no one wants to come to Boston ever" is not correct, though. Players will come here when they want to win and they see that they will be in a situation to win. We don't necessarily have the best roster to sell anyone on that idea right now, but the notion that the book is closed is ridiculous.

[wayupnorth]

The only valid complaint someone can make is that we reached on Hozier.  I would buy that.  He went much later in mocks.  If you think Boston should have traded down and got an addition asset, I can understand why you'd be frustrated.  Draftexpress, for example, had Hozier going #30 and RJ Hunter going #23, so I can see why someone would be annoyed that we took Hozier #16... but may have gotten a steal with Hunter at #28... though nbadraft.net had Hunter going #32 so maybe that frustrated people too.   Now that the disappointment of "not trading up" has subsided, we can look at this clearly.

#1 - We don't really know how accurate those mocks are.  Who cares what draftexpress says.  Perhaps Hozier was higher on real boards... perhaps Danny just saw what apparently every other team saw... the picks in the 16-30 range were weak compared to the stuff in the Top 8.   Ultimately, most of the guys taken after 8 (and at least a couple taken in the top eight) will probably be scrubs, so might as well take the scrubs you like.

#2 - We made our bed months ago.   Even if it was accidental... most of us, myself included, were on board with the playoff push.  I said at the time that we were making a major sacrifice in the process... losing out on a top pick.  I said at the time that we were setting ourselves up for a massive curb-stomping by the Hawks or the Cavs.  But I was still on board with it... because I saw it as more about Brad Stevens and free agency.  Brad needed to keep the kids committed to his vision.  We needed to keep Brad committed to the Celtics (the threat of him leaving for the NCAA is real)... and we needed to put ourselves in a good position heading into free agency.    Keeping Brad engaged was why I rooted for us to make the playoffs.  We knew what that was going to mean, though... we'd get swept, miss out on a top pick and get stuck drafting in no-man's land.   So why would anyone possibly be upset about the inevitable?  For months, some of us have been sharing facts about how difficult it is to trade up into the Top 10.  We saw what it took in the past... you can give up #14 + #21 and maybe move up a couple spots.  But how much could you realistically expect us to move up with a meh #16 pick and an almost worthless #28 pick?    You couldn't bank on that.   This wasn't our draft.  We were bystanders.

Whether or not this is a "failure" will not be determined by draft day... it will be determined by how successful we are in free agency.  If we strike out, it's time to properly panic.  But you can't be mad about this.  You should have been mad about it in April... or don't be mad about it at all.  We sacrificed a top prospect in favor of Brad Stevens.  I'll roll with Stevens and hope we add our talent elsewhere.

Hozier? Really?

You seem to have no problem spelling sixer players right...

[LooseCannon]

I understand why some people are angry or confused, I just think that some of you have the same level of reasoning that probably went into Charlotte refusing a Boston trade offer and drafting Kaminsky.

[wayupnorth]

Not sure how we duplicated anything in our 1st 2 picks in the draft.

 In Rozier we got only our 3rd G/F  (IT and Turner are the other two) who can do anything resembling dribble penetration or finishing.

We got a big SG...who can shoot

Am I missing something?

Did we actually think that we could get a game changer at 16,28, 33? 
You do remember most of these "big" name guys are 19 years old?

Anyone who wants the celtic team to be better should have always known it would come through trades and fA...which hasnt started yet.

Rozier isn't a G/F, is he? He's only 6-2.

And Hunter shot only 30.6% on threes last year, from a closer three-point line.

Sure, they could develop into real assets, and hopefully they do. But this is far from what many of us expected.

LOL so you are upset because the draft didn't match up with your expectations?

Then have more realistic expectations and quit blaming Danny for working with what he has.

[colincb]

There's no crying in basketball. At least in women's basketball.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Not sure how we duplicated anything in our 1st 2 picks in the draft.

 In Rozier we got only our 3rd G/F  (IT and Turner are the other two) who can do anything resembling dribble penetration or finishing.

We got a big SG...who can shoot

Am I missing something?

Did we actually think that we could get a game changer at 16,28, 33? 
You do remember most of these "big" name guys are 19 years old?

Anyone who wants the celtic team to be better should have always known it would come through trades and fA...which hasnt started yet.

Rozier isn't a G/F, is he? He's only 6-2.

And Hunter shot only 30.6% on threes last year, from a closer three-point line.

Sure, they could develop into real assets, and hopefully they do. But this is far from what many of us expected.

LOL so you are upset because the draft didn't match up with your expectations?

Then have more realistic expectations and quit blaming Danny for working with what he has.

A person can't get upset when something doesn't meet expectations? A person has to be happy with everything that happens?

As far as Danny working with what he has, what he has was supposed to be highly valuable—draft picks galore; lots of young, promising players; trade exceptions; cap space. Maybe we don't have the "war chest of assets" we've been led to believe we had.

[GreenGoggles]

Not sure how we duplicated anything in our 1st 2 picks in the draft.

 In Rozier we got only our 3rd G/F  (IT and Turner are the other two) who can do anything resembling dribble penetration or finishing.

We got a big SG...who can shoot

Am I missing something?

Did we actually think that we could get a game changer at 16,28, 33? 
You do remember most of these "big" name guys are 19 years old?

Anyone who wants the celtic team to be better should have always known it would come through trades and fA...which hasnt started yet.

Rozier isn't a G/F, is he? He's only 6-2.

And Hunter shot only 30.6% on threes last year, from a closer three-point line.

Sure, they could develop into real assets, and hopefully they do. But this is far from what many of us expected.

LOL so you are upset because the draft didn't match up with your expectations?

Then have more realistic expectations and quit blaming Danny for working with what he has.

It's like no one here has heard of accountability. We're allowed to question and critique our GM. What is so wrong with discussion? Can we not label people for disagree with some VERY questionable picks?

I don't blindly follow my fearless leader Chairman DA, I have my own opinions, and I don't see how we need 3 PG's and 3 SG's all of which are young and need playing time.

[footey]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mitchlawrence/2015/06/25/nba-draft-lakers-russell-among-the-winners-celtics-head-the-losers/

This hurts.

[mmmmm]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mitchlawrence/2015/06/25/nba-draft-lakers-russell-among-the-winners-celtics-head-the-losers/

This hurts.

Why?  Is Mitch Lawrence's opinion of great personal importance to you?