To Everyone Who Can't Understand Why Many of Us are Angry and/or Perplexed

[mmmmm]

So I guess the lesson you learned is that you shouldn't be so gullible? Agreed.

This.  Anyone that believes anything that Wyc says (or any owner for that matter) regarding player personnel moves needs to step back from their computer/radio/TV.  The GM is the only authority when it comes to this kind of stuff, and they are tight lipped about it for a reason.

It wasn't just Wyc. It was well-respected reporters like Woj and Stein. I don't think that's being gullible. I also don't think anyone should be put off by the fact that some of us were surprised by the selection of Rozier. It was totally out of left field.

So... you are mad at Woj and Stein?

Who, exactly are you mad at?

[biggs]

I remember when we traded with Phoenix years ago, saying who the hell is Rondo? Turned out to be a decent pick. Let's hope that one of these players is a hit.

I'm not ready to call for Danny's head yet, as it was greedy ownership that forced the Isaiah trade, and therefore, a playoff run that costed us a lottery pick this year.

Danny was even quoted as saying the Isaiah trade was the type that he would have preferred to pull off in the off-season.

And if you feel like we lost out where others won on draft night, there weren't any major trades for anyone significant, so even if we had a lotto pick, it doesn't mean it would have turned into a Cousins quality player, (seeing as the pupu platter LA offered wasn't enough).

It takes 2 to tango, so if the asking price was too much to move up, I'm glad we didnt. (Unless it was A.B, cuz he has to go  )

Realistically, our "assetts" have proven time and time again to be nba fodder to the rest of the league, so I think we're lucky that we have any wiggle room at all, considering how badly the impatience and greed of the ownership has affected our rebuild.

Cheer up, we have a chance for Marcus and Chris Babb 2.0 to be winners!

[Scintan]

Nothing wrong with being annoyed/confused/unhappy/upset/thrilled/ecstatic about this draft.  That's what initial reactions are for, after all.

[wayupnorth]

I hate to keep bringing this up, but why do people not get what a trade is?


Danny tried to move into the top ten but the asking price was too high. People upset about him not making a move at  being ridiculous.

[Scintan]

I hate to keep bringing this up, but why do people not get what a trade is?


Danny tried to move into the top ten but the asking price was too high. People upset about him not making a move at  being ridiculous.

When you're running around telling everyone that you want to trade up, you potentially raise the cost of such a move.  Those of you going knee-jerk with your defense of all things Ainge are overlooking that sort of thing.

And that's ridiculous.

[wayupnorth]

I hate to keep bringing this up, but why do people not get what a trade is?


Danny tried to move into the top ten but the asking price was too high. People upset about him not making a move at  being ridiculous.

When you're running around telling everyone that you want to trade up, you potentially raise the cost of such a move.  Those of you going knee-jerk with your defense of all things Ainge are overlooking that sort of thing.

And that's ridiculous.

Running around telling everyone that you want to trade up...

Are you even serious?

I really cannot believe some of what I am reading tonight.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I hate to keep bringing this up, but why do people not get what a trade is?


Danny tried to move into the top ten but the asking price was too high. People upset about him not making a move at  being ridiculous.

We have the chips for said price. We have PLENTY of 1st round picks, young talent and cap room. We can't even move to the #9 ans get Winslow? Really?

Surely a #16, #33, Dallas 1st Round and Sully/Olynyk could be a starting point.

It's not being ridiculous when we have the assets to pay it.

[LilRip]

I'm not upset that we didn't trade up. As others have said, it takes 2 to make a deal. So I'm willing to give Ainge and co. the benefit of the doubt that maybe the price was too high (although it would've been nice to land Winslow).

What upsets me is that the guy Ainge drafted at 16 sounds like someone who would've been available at 28, or even in the 2nd round. I don't know Rozier so I should read up on him more, but I read on Twitter that chad ford had him as the 47th best prospect, or something. If we drafted 2nd round talent at the 16th, that's one heck of a reach.

[Scintan]

I hate to keep bringing this up, but why do people not get what a trade is?


Danny tried to move into the top ten but the asking price was too high. People upset about him not making a move at  being ridiculous.

When you're running around telling everyone that you want to trade up, you potentially raise the cost of such a move.  Those of you going knee-jerk with your defense of all things Ainge are overlooking that sort of thing.

And that's ridiculous.

Running around telling everyone that you want to trade up...

Are you even serious?

Yes.

[greenrunsdeep41]

I hate to keep bringing this up, but why do people not get what a trade is?


Danny tried to move into the top ten but the asking price was too high. People upset about him not making a move at  being ridiculous.

When you're running around telling everyone that you want to trade up, you potentially raise the cost of such a move.  Those of you going knee-jerk with your defense of all things Ainge are overlooking that sort of thing.

And that's ridiculous.

Running around telling everyone that you want to trade up...

Are you even serious?

I really cannot believe some of what I am reading tonight.

Seriously, the whining is at an all time high.

[LarBrd33]

The only valid complaint someone can make is that we reached on Hozier.  I would buy that.  He went much later in mocks.  If you think Boston should have traded down and got an addition asset, I can understand why you'd be frustrated.  Draftexpress, for example, had Hozier going #30 and RJ Hunter going #23, so I can see why someone would be annoyed that we took Hozier #16... but may have gotten a steal with Hunter at #28... though nbadraft.net had Hunter going #32 so maybe that frustrated people too.   Now that the disappointment of "not trading up" has subsided, we can look at this clearly.

#1 - We don't really know how accurate those mocks are.  Who cares what draftexpress says.  Perhaps Hozier was higher on real boards... perhaps Danny just saw what apparently every other team saw... the picks in the 16-30 range were weak compared to the stuff in the Top 8.   Ultimately, most of the guys taken after 8 (and at least a couple taken in the top eight) will probably be scrubs, so might as well take the scrubs you like.

#2 - We made our bed months ago.   Even if it was accidental... most of us, myself included, were on board with the playoff push.  I said at the time that we were making a major sacrifice in the process... losing out on a top pick.  I said at the time that we were setting ourselves up for a massive curb-stomping by the Hawks or the Cavs.  But I was still on board with it... because I saw it as more about Brad Stevens and free agency.  Brad needed to keep the kids committed to his vision.  We needed to keep Brad committed to the Celtics (the threat of him leaving for the NCAA is real)... and we needed to put ourselves in a good position heading into free agency.    Keeping Brad engaged was why I rooted for us to make the playoffs.  We knew what that was going to mean, though... we'd get swept, miss out on a top pick and get stuck drafting in no-man's land.   So why would anyone possibly be upset about the inevitable?  For months, some of us have been sharing facts about how difficult it is to trade up into the Top 10.  We saw what it took in the past... you can give up #14 + #21 and maybe move up a couple spots.  But how much could you realistically expect us to move up with a meh #16 pick and an almost worthless #28 pick?    You couldn't bank on that.   This wasn't our draft.  We were bystanders.

Whether or not this is a "failure" will not be determined by draft day... it will be determined by how successful we are in free agency.  If we strike out, it's time to properly panic.  But you can't be mad about this.  You should have been mad about it in April... or don't be mad about it at all.  We sacrificed a top prospect in favor of Brad Stevens.  I'll roll with Stevens and hope we add our talent elsewhere.

[Forza Juventus]

The only valid complaint someone can make is that we reached on Hozier.  I would buy that.  He went much later in mocks.  If you think Boston should have traded down and got an addition asset, I can understand why you'd be frustrated.  Draftexpress, for example, had Hozier going #30 and RJ Hunter going #23, so I can see why someone would be annoyed that we took Hozier #16... but may have gotten a steal with Hunter at #28... though nbadraft.net had Hunter going #32 so maybe that frustrated people too.   Now that the disappointment of "not trading up" has subsided, we can look at this clearly.

#1 - We don't really know how accurate those mocks are.  Who cares what draftexpress says.  Perhaps Hozier was higher on real boards... perhaps Danny just saw what apparently every other team saw... the picks in the 16-30 range were weak compared to the stuff in the Top 8.   Ultimately, most of the guys taken after 8 (and at least a couple taken in the top eight) will probably be scrubs, so might as well take the scrubs you like.

#2 - We made our bed months ago.   Even if it was accidental... most of us, myself included, were on board with the playoff push.  I said at the time that we were making a major sacrifice in the process... losing out on a top pick.  I said at the time that we were setting ourselves up for a massive curb-stomping by the Hawks or the Cavs.  But I was still on board with it... because I saw it as more about Brad Stevens and free agency.  Brad needed to keep the kids committed to his vision.  We needed to keep Brad committed to the Celtics (the threat of him leaving for the NCAA is real)... and we needed to put ourselves in a good position heading into free agency.    Keeping Brad engaged was why I rooted for us to make the playoffs.  We knew what that was going to mean, though... we'd get swept, miss out on a top pick and get stuck drafting in no-man's land.   So why would anyone possibly be upset about the inevitable?  For months, some of us have been sharing facts about how difficult it is to trade up into the Top 10.  We saw what it took in the past... you can give up #14 + #21 and maybe move up a couple spots.  But how much could you realistically expect us to move up with a meh #16 pick and an almost worthless #28 pick?    You couldn't bank on that.   This wasn't our draft.  We were bystanders.

Whether or not this is a "failure" will not be determined by draft day... it will be determined by how successful we are in free agency.  If we strike out, it's time to properly panic.  But you can't be mad about this.  You should have been mad about it in April... or don't be mad about it at all.  We sacrificed a top prospect in favor of Brad Stevens.  I'll roll with Stevens and hope we add our talent elsewhere.

We could have picked Anderson or RHJ 16 and Dakari or Upshaw or Alexander at 45

[greenrunsdeep41]

The only valid complaint someone can make is that we reached on Hozier.  I would buy that.  He went much later in mocks.  If you think Boston should have traded down and got an addition asset, I can understand why you'd be frustrated.  Draftexpress, for example, had Hozier going #30 and RJ Hunter going #23, so I can see why someone would be annoyed that we took Hozier #16... but may have gotten a steal with Hunter at #28... though nbadraft.net had Hunter going #32 so maybe that frustrated people too.   Now that the disappointment of "not trading up" has subsided, we can look at this clearly.

#1 - We don't really know how accurate those mocks are.  Who cares what draftexpress says.  Perhaps Hozier was higher on real boards... perhaps Danny just saw what apparently every other team saw... the picks in the 16-30 range were weak compared to the stuff in the Top 8.   Ultimately, most of the guys taken after 8 (and at least a couple taken in the top eight) will probably be scrubs, so might as well take the scrubs you like.

#2 - We made our bed months ago.   Even if it was accidental... most of us, myself included, were on board with the playoff push.  I said at the time that we were making a major sacrifice in the process... losing out on a top pick.  I said at the time that we were setting ourselves up for a massive curb-stomping by the Hawks or the Cavs.  But I was still on board with it... because I saw it as more about Brad Stevens and free agency.  Brad needed to keep the kids committed to his vision.  We needed to keep Brad committed to the Celtics (the threat of him leaving for the NCAA is real)... and we needed to put ourselves in a good position heading into free agency.    Keeping Brad engaged was why I rooted for us to make the playoffs.  We knew what that was going to mean, though... we'd get swept, miss out on a top pick and get stuck drafting in no-man's land.   So why would anyone possibly be upset about the inevitable?  For months, some of us have been sharing facts about how difficult it is to trade up into the Top 10.  We saw what it took in the past... you can give up #14 + #21 and maybe move up a couple spots.  But how much could you realistically expect us to move up with a meh #16 pick and an almost worthless #28 pick?    You couldn't bank on that.   This wasn't our draft.  We were bystanders.

Whether or not this is a "failure" will not be determined by draft day... it will be determined by how successful we are in free agency.  If we strike out, it's time to properly panic.  But you can't be mad about this.  You should have been mad about it in April... or don't be mad about it at all.  We sacrificed a top prospect in favor of Brad Stevens.  I'll roll with Stevens and hope we add our talent elsewhere.

Its funny, i insulted you very briefly in another post of mine tonight, but this is one of the only things i have read that makes any sense this evening.

[clappy]

"We could have picked Anderson or RHJ 16 and Dakari or Upshaw or Alexander at 45"



I get what your saying, but those guys are crap shoots too. The answer to our lack of quality bigs was never gonna come with a late pick. Its going to come from a trade, free agency or a high lotto pick.

[mmmmm]

I'm not upset that we didn't trade up. As others have said, it takes 2 to make a deal. So I'm willing to give Ainge and co. the benefit of the doubt that maybe the price was too high (although it would've been nice to land Winslow).

What upsets me is that the guy Ainge drafted at 16 sounds like someone who would've been available at 28, or even in the 2nd round. I don't know Rozier so I should read up on him more, but I read on Twitter that chad ford had him as the 47th best prospect, or something. If we drafted 2nd round talent at the 16th, that's one heck of a reach.

Chad Ford wasn't at all the private team workouts.  Apparently, Rozier was really wowing GMs and scouts at those workouts.   His ability to break down defenses was apparently off the charts in these workouts.

So it's very likely he was ranked higher on team draft boards than on the mock drafts of random sports journalists and fan blog sites.

Even some of the latter had him climbing into the low 20s in recent weeks.  So it's not at all clear that he would have been available by #28.

The various mocks, even the well researched ones like DraftExpress, have to all be taken with a big giant grain of salt.   Look at the other pick.  Most mocks had Hunter going somewhere from 18-24.  Yet Danny got him at 28.   So it works both ways.