To Everyone Who Can't Understand Why Many of Us are Angry and/or Perplexed

[cltc5]

I still think taking rozier was too big of a reach.  Woulda proffered dekkker to see if he develops into anything or rj hunter.  As it stands and reflecting after some thought we have to ask would the sum have been better than the whole?  If we give up these picks and let's say sully to get Winslow, does that really help us that much?  We now have insurance at pg in event there's a trade or injury, a sniper shooter in hunter whom I think will be near curry like one day, a decent project at pf, and a long haired sg which I think is a worthless pick.  Winslow costs us depth and a much needed sharp shooter that will at the least push play time for Bradley/young.  Winslow gets us a nice sf stud ala lebron but then it may have cost us smart or sully or both, etc.  and of those voices I think Winslow not turner or any other woulda been the only one giving up something for.  I doubt realistically we were ever gonna get into the top 7 with ought giving up a lot for it.  Best to now just see what happens in free agency.  I still like Middleton, Tobias Harris, and another big as free agent targets.  We've got a chance to get better, but time will tell.

[SHAQATTACK]

My guess ....is Danny is going to let all the FA walk ......and play this huge group of young scrub  guards for a chance at a lottery pick .

I see no other explanation for shopping in the dumpsters last night......adding to a collection of D league players.

No real,talent is coming here after a night like last night .......

Just wow........what a boat load dog dung Danny has created

[Future Celtics Owner]

We need to let all the FA's go and trade IT, Avery Bradley, and ET.

[Greenback]

Its hard to fathom what happened.  Time will tell.  Maybe we will land a quality free agent.

The 76ers grabbed every big they could find. 

Celtics grabbed all the guards they could find. 

Maybe they could work out a trade.

[LGC88]

there is a dark aura around my monitor each time I click on this forum.
I guess I'll be back when things are GREENER here.
Have a nice time folks.

[cb8883]

We need to let all the FA's go and trade IT, Avery Bradley, and ET.

This would be perfect. I would also deal Banks 2.0 for whatever you can get for him. Package any of these guys to Philly for Embiid. You can't teach size folks. We need to embrace the tank.

[zubi.anaba]

there is a dark aura around my monitor each time I click on this forum.
I guess I'll be back when things are GREENER here.
Have a nice time folks.

You sure its not Lebron's fault?

[saltlover]

I still think taking rozier was too big of a reach.  Woulda proffered dekkker to see if he develops into anything or rj hunter.  As it stands and reflecting after some thought we have to ask would the sum have been better than the whole?  If we give up these picks and let's say sully to get Winslow, does that really help us that much?  We now have insurance at pg in event there's a trade or injury, a sniper shooter in hunter whom I think will be near curry like one day, a decent project at pf, and a long haired sg which I think is a worthless pick.  Winslow costs us depth and a much needed sharp shooter that will at the least push play time for Bradley/young.  Winslow gets us a nice sf stud ala lebron but then it may have cost us smart or sully or both, etc.  and of those voices I think Winslow not turner or any other woulda been the only one giving up something for.  I doubt realistically we were ever gonna get into the top 7 with ought giving up a lot for it.  Best to now just see what happens in free agency.  I still like Middleton, Tobias Harris, and another big as free agent targets.  We've got a chance to get better, but time will tell.

You know we drafted R. J. Hunter, right?  I mean, you do because you acknowledge him later, but clearly since Hunter was available at 28, he definitely would have been a reach at 16.

[Who]

There was SO much Celtics chatter from reporters, and so many rumors, not to mention Celtics brass talking a big game in recent months (looking at you, Wyc), that it was hard to believe there WOULDN'T be something big happening on draft night. Sure, there are always rumors, and they each need to be taken with a big grain of salt, but this was it, right? Tonight was the night SOMETHING wonderful was finally going to happen. I mean, how many offseasons and trade deadlines can Danny go without making a big splash?

I think in a rebuilding process like the one Ainge has undertaken

* Where Ainge refuses to bottom out and build via high draft picks
* Where the team has no established star talent (like Pierce last time around)
* When the team has no clear up-and-coming star talent
* When Ainge acquires as many quality role players as possible to win-now with a limited squad
* When Ainge stockpiles future picks

For any team in a situation like this, I think that team is:

(1) most likely going to be facing a 4-6 year rebuild.
(2) is going to be hunting deals every summer and every trade deadline for those 4-6 years and 90+% of the time they are going to fall flat. Especially in the early years when the roster is at it's thinnest.
(3) they will come close to deals on several occasions but just be a little short in their trade proposals and lose out to someone else. It'll be heart-wrenching at times.
(4) the rebuild won't fully take off until Ainge manages to acquire a genuine star. Until then, a lot of teeing-and-tooing around. After that, there will be much more purpose and direction. Ainge will be able to attract other big name players (FAs) to the team.



I think these are just the types of things we should expect with this type of rebuild.

We have had some quiet trade deadlines, drafts and offseasons already ... and to be honest, I think we'll have a couple more before Ainge finds a way to make a splash with his collection of trade assets.

I think we should try to accept that in this type of rebuild -- progress will be slower in the early stages and there will be moments where things stagnate and fail to take shape. That there will be several frustrating trade deadlines, drafts and free agency periods. That this team is still looking for a direction and that it won't truly find that direction until Ainge can find a way to turn those assets into a genuine star talent who will help create some of that direction.

I think this is just the way of life for rebuilds like this. They're ugly. Annoying. Irritating. Uncomfortable. And carry on for much longer than we hope or expect.

Until that singular moment when things change. And often that moment is hard to see in the distance. You just know that at some point the right opportunity is going to be there ... and Ainge is nothing if not a fantastic opportunist.

... which is also why I prefer building through high draft picks vs what Ainge is doing. Acquiring top talents, individual development and team building. Young players you can really get excited about. Guys with All-Star talent. Visible progress year-on-year as those young guys improve and the talent base grows considerably with each draft.

[Snakehead]

I'm just disappointed we couldn't move up, but given everything I've heard, I'm glad we didn't.  Teams way overvalue their picks.  I have to listen to how Smart (3rd or 4th best player from last years "loaded" best draft in years) doesn't provide enough value to move up in the draft... eh I'm out on that.  Teams are buying into the hype vs actual value.  I know Danny tried and I'm glad he cut his losses.

At 16, I trust Danny with whoever he thinks is best.  I'm not thrilled with a PG but oh well.  Best available.  I can't say I was familiar with Rozier but I like what I see of him.

[mmmmm]

I still think taking rozier was too big of a reach.  Woulda proffered dekkker to see if he develops into anything or rj hunter. 

Ask yourself, "Why do I think it was a reach?".   If the answer is:  Because all the mock drafts I read on the internet tell me so, then look no farther than the last part of your next sentence:  "Woulda pr(ef)erred ... rj hunter."

Hunter was predicted by most mocks to go 18-24.  Yet we DID get him at 28.

If we had taken Hunter at 16, I'm sure you and a few others would not have thought it much of a reach and been "OK" with it.  But others probably would have screamed bloody murder.

This tells you right off the bat that the mocks are just wild guesses.  They have no direct correlation to the draft boards used internally by the teams.  The latter are heavily weighted by each team's direct scouting and workouts.

When a player "does the tour" of doing direct workouts for multiple teams, it is not uncommon for a given player to shoot up or down on all the boards of the teams he worked out for, and because the teams themselves keep that info secret, that is not going to show up on any of the public mocks.

The Celtics had Rozier in for two workouts.  They clearly saw something because they didn't bring everybody back.  They probably also know which other teams he worked out for and could probably guess that those other teams saw something.

That would imply they probably felt strongly that (a) he was indeed the BPA on their board when they were presented with the #16 and (b) that he was probably high enough on at least one other team's board that they would not get him later if they passed on him at 16.

[MJohnnyboy]

It's not that the Celtics made a reach that makes me mad. It's that they made a reach for someone who they DON'T. NEED. If the Celtics had drafted a wing player or a center who nobody expected to be taken at 16, then that would have been somewhat fine. Atleast the Celtics got someone to fill in position that needed to be filled. When the Celtics took Jajuan Johnson and Fab Melo they took them because the Celtics needed back-up bigs. But is that what happened this time?! NO! They got a point guard, when the two most valuable players on this team are POINT GUARDS. How is this guy going to get time when the Celtics won't have any minutes to give? Not to mention this guy sounds like a poor man's Marcus Smart to me. You know that would sound interesting to me if we didn't already have, you know, Marcus Smart.

I've backed up all of Ainge's picks, no matter how badly some of them have panned out, until now. This one still baffles me to the point of frustration. I would have preferred Dekker of Portis, but not because I think they'll be good, but because they would have done better filling a Celtics need. Rozier will be at the back of bench waiting for garbage time minutes unless any trades are made.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I don't mind Rozier at 16. I wanted to keep 16 anyway, but I am upset because we should have traded Avery and Turner (or other combo's) to get the 11th.

I hate Felger and Mazz and Adam Jones. Those guys are not credible enough to talk about the Celtics/basketball. I called their shows a few months ago and ripped into them. I said Ainge should have waived: Bass, Jonas, Gigi, Crowder(maybe) after the deadline because they are not part of our future and they will play unregularly hard because its contract year and help us win games. They laughed and said we would get back a ton for them because look at how much their value has risen. I couldn't rip them anymore bc I was cut off for swearing on both shows...

I will understand and support Ainge if he essentially guts the team and trades:ET, Avery, IT, Sully, KO. I think we can get some prospects out of it from teams that will be competing. Maybe INDY and etc.

Now that the FA's we have been linked to are probably going somewhere else, I say we trade away the players I suggested and take in unwanted contracts for a year or 2 because we should be at the bottom of the standings the next 2 years. Or we can keep getting bounced in the first round for 10 years.

[fairweatherfan]

I still think taking rozier was too big of a reach.  Woulda proffered dekkker to see if he develops into anything or rj hunter. 

Ask yourself, "Why do I think it was a reach?".   If the answer is:  Because all the mock drafts I read on the internet tell me so, then look no farther than the last part of your next sentence:  "Woulda pr(ef)erred ... rj hunter."

One of my favorite parts of the draft every year is watching all the people - fans and media figures alike - who buy so thoroughly into the pre-draft speculation and mock drafting that they forget it has no direct relationship whatsoever with the actual draft, so when the draft inevitably differs from the mock consensus, they breathlessly conclude that The Draft Has Gone Wrong.

Mock consensus is just that - the consensus of a bunch of fantasy drafters.  It's not the actual opinions of the teams, it's what a bunch of people outside the process think their opinions ought to be.  And all the rumors describing this constant flux of "who's rising, who's falling" are even more bogus.  Unless someone can remind me how far Cauley-Stein "plummeted down the board" last night.

[D.o.s.]

I still think taking rozier was too big of a reach.  Woulda proffered dekkker to see if he develops into anything or rj hunter. 

Ask yourself, "Why do I think it was a reach?".   If the answer is:  Because all the mock drafts I read on the internet tell me so, then look no farther than the last part of your next sentence:  "Woulda pr(ef)erred ... rj hunter."

One of my favorite parts of the draft every year is watching all the people - fans and media figures alike - who buy so thoroughly into the pre-draft speculation and mock drafting that they forget it has no direct relationship whatsoever with the actual draft, so when the draft inevitably differs from the mock consensus, they breathlessly conclude that The Draft Has Gone Wrong.

Mock consensus is just that - the consensus of a bunch of fantasy drafters.  It's not the actual opinions of the teams, it's what a bunch of people outside the process think their opinions ought to be.  And all the rumors describing this constant flux of "who's rising, who's falling" are even more bogus.  Unless someone can remind me how far Cauley-Stein "plummeted down the board" last night.

Yass.