(Marcus Smart, #16, & 2016 Brooklyn 1st Rounder) for 2015's #1 or #2 pick?

[BDeCosta26]

No. Smart is as good as anyone in the 3-8 range in this draft, and adding the #16 pick and an unprotected Nets pick next year that may be a lottery pick is way too much to give up for a moderate upgrade over Smart. I would instead use less assets to trade into the 4-8 range, we may get a player just about as good as Towns or Okafor there.

You vastly over-rate Smart, as do most CB'ers.  He was 2nd team rookie, same as Olynyk a year ago, in another very weak draft class. Suddenly he is worthy of 3-8 range in this draft?

Absolutely. Your not gonna give up him (#6 last year) PLUS 16 and a BRK pick just to get #4 this year. That's insane, especially since #4 this year isn't a sure fire superstar.  Smart is the only one on our team (unless maybe Young or Sully if you really tried) that has the potential to be an all-star.

All-NBA rookie teams and ROY awards have forever been purely on the stat line produced by a player in his rookie season. It gives no merit to defense, offensive role, future potential, the team they're on or potential. It literally means nothing when looking at a players potential development and current trade value.

Ainge would do everything he could to not include Smart as the centerpiece of a Cousins deal. He's sure not gonna trade him AND two top 16 picks for another's guy who's not a sure-fire, Anthony Davis type prospect.

[PhoSita]

Of course I would.  None of the assets the Celts give up in the trade are likely to turn into franchise cornerstones.  Okafor and Towns could turn into franchise caliber big men.

No way would that package be enough for the Wolves or Lakers.  A package like that wasn't enough to get the Wolves to trade Kevin Love.

[SparzWizard]

I'll do it in a heartbeat.

But ofc, Wolves and Lakers will say no.

[gpap]

You guys are crazy.  You absolutely make that trade, don't give it a second thought, and laugh all the way to the bank. 

Of course neither Minnesota or LA makes either of those trades.

yup

I'd also do that trade for embiid instead... Even given his "setback".

I like smart, but think he is more likely to develop into a tony Allen defensive player than a Russell Westbrook allstar.

Embiid???  He might never play a single game.

[Eja117]

Would you let go of Marcus, this year's #16 pick, and next year's Brooklyn 1st rounder for Towns of Okafor?

I was with you till you added in Brooklyn's pick.

[Eja117]

You guys are crazy.  You absolutely make that trade, don't give it a second thought, and laugh all the way to the bank. 

Of course neither Minnesota or LA makes either of those trades.

yup

I'd also do that trade for embiid instead... Even given his "setback".

I like smart, but think he is more likely to develop into a tony Allen defensive player than a Russell Westbrook allstar.

High comedy is an excellent goal we should all strive for.

[Irish Stew]

I'll drive Marcus to the airport for his flight to Minneapolis if we can get Towns. For Okafor, maybe, but he can take a cab. For what possible reason would either MIN or LA do such a deal?

[PhoSita]

Embiid???  He might never play a single game.

I get the sense this is what many Celtics fans tell themselves about Embiid because they want to see the Sixers' "all-out-tank" strategy fail while the Celtics are being "noble" and trying to "compete."

[max215]

You guys are crazy.  You absolutely make that trade, don't give it a second thought, and laugh all the way to the bank. 

Of course neither Minnesota or LA makes either of those trades.

yup

I'd also do that trade for embiid instead... Even given his "setback".

I like smart, but think he is more likely to develop into a tony Allen defensive player than a Russell Westbrook allstar.

I agree with you about this year's picks, but Embiid also? A 7 footer with foot issues who's never played a single second in the NBA. In that scenario, Hinkie would be the one laughing his way to the bank.

[konkmv]

Smart will be a 20p 5r 8as 2st player... and the celtics new leader

[gpap]

Embiid???  He might never play a single game.

I get the sense this is what many Celtics fans tell themselves about Embiid because they want to see the Sixers' "all-out-tank" strategy fail while the Celtics are being "noble" and trying to "compete."

Actually it's got nothing to do with either of those more to do with the fact that I don't want anything to do with an injury prone 7 footer who has foot and back issues.

[LarBrd33]

You guys are crazy.  You absolutely make that trade, don't give it a second thought, and laugh all the way to the bank. 

Of course neither Minnesota or LA makes either of those trades.

yup

I'd also do that trade for embiid instead... Even given his "setback".

I like smart, but think he is more likely to develop into a tony Allen defensive player than a Russell Westbrook allstar.

I agree with you about this year's picks, but Embiid also? A 7 footer with foot issues who's never played a single second in the NBA. In that scenario, Hinkie would be the one laughing his way to the bank.

Nah. If that were the case he wouldn't have drafted him 3rd after his injury.  He's closer to playing now than he was then.  I might be wrong, but Im pretty convinced that most people here are misunderstanding embiid's situation right now.  We will find out if I am an idiot in a couple weeks.  Right now, I'd gladly trade smart and picks for embiid.  Healthy embiid is better than anyone in this draft and for all we know he might be a couple weeks away from being green lit.   Obviously you'd consult with doctors first.  If he's missing another season, that's a problem.  But the only thing suggesting that he'll miss an entire season is wild media speculation.

[Ilikesports17]

You guys are crazy.  You absolutely make that trade, don't give it a second thought, and laugh all the way to the bank. 

Of course neither Minnesota or LA makes either of those trades.

yup

I'd also do that trade for embiid instead... Even given his "setback".

I like smart, but think he is more likely to develop into a tony Allen defensive player than a Russell Westbrook allstar.

I agree with you about this year's picks, but Embiid also? A 7 footer with foot issues who's never played a single second in the NBA. In that scenario, Hinkie would be the one laughing his way to the bank.

Nah. If that were the case he wouldn't have drafted him 3rd after his injury.  He's closer to playing now than he was then.  I might be wrong, but Im pretty convinced that most people here are misunderstanding embiid's situation right now.  We will find out if I am an idiot in a couple weeks.  Right now, I'd gladly trade smart and picks for embiid.  Healthy embiid is better than anyone in this draft and for all we know he might be a couple weeks away from being green lit.   Obviously you'd consult with doctors first.  If he's missing another season, that's a problem.  But the only thing suggesting that he'll miss an entire season is wild media speculation.

I dont have it on hand but there is a quote from Bill Self suggesting that Embiid battled injuries prior to Kansas. At Kansas Embiid suffered a stress related injury preventing him from completing the relatively short college basketball season. Later that year, he was discovered to have suffered another stress related injury this one in his foot. Now a full year later Embiid's injury is at the very least not healing in the way it was expected to/hoped to heal.

So you have a 21 year old 7 footer who for the entirety of his reported basketball career has battled stress injuries. That is a very big risk.

The thing is that we really dont know what Embiids situation is. Im all for gambling on superstars, but not until there is more information on Embiids foot.

This is a lot like the Upshaw situation. As fans, we dont know his drug issues etc. so its really tough to put a valuation on him.

Hinkie loves potential. He is only going to trade Embiid if he a) gets stupid value in return or b) doesnt believe that Embiid projects favorably as a superstar.

basically getting Embiid is probably not going to be a good call.

[Eja117]

You guys are crazy.  You absolutely make that trade, don't give it a second thought, and laugh all the way to the bank. 

Of course neither Minnesota or LA makes either of those trades.

yup

I'd also do that trade for embiid instead... Even given his "setback".

I like smart, but think he is more likely to develop into a tony Allen defensive player than a Russell Westbrook allstar.

I agree with you about this year's picks, but Embiid also? A 7 footer with foot issues who's never played a single second in the NBA. In that scenario, Hinkie would be the one laughing his way to the bank.

Nah. If that were the case he wouldn't have drafted him 3rd after his injury.  He's closer to playing now than he was then.  I might be wrong, but Im pretty convinced that most people here are misunderstanding embiid's situation right now.  We will find out if I am an idiot in a couple weeks.  Right now, I'd gladly trade smart and picks for embiid.  Healthy embiid is better than anyone in this draft and for all we know he might be a couple weeks away from being green lit.   Obviously you'd consult with doctors first.  If he's missing another season, that's a problem.  But the only thing suggesting that he'll miss an entire season is wild media speculation.

Wild media speculation? He's like 20 years old, hasn't played ball in about a year and a half and STILL isn't fully healed. Slowest....healer....ever.

[Bucketgetter]

You guys are crazy.  You absolutely make that trade, don't give it a second thought, and laugh all the way to the bank. 

Of course neither Minnesota or LA makes either of those trades.

yup

I'd also do that trade for embiid instead... Even given his "setback".

I like smart, but think he is more likely to develop into a tony Allen defensive player than a Russell Westbrook allstar.

I agree with you about this year's picks, but Embiid also? A 7 footer with foot issues who's never played a single second in the NBA. In that scenario, Hinkie would be the one laughing his way to the bank.

Nah. If that were the case he wouldn't have drafted him 3rd after his injury.  He's closer to playing now than he was then.  I might be wrong, but Im pretty convinced that most people here are misunderstanding embiid's situation right now.  We will find out if I am an idiot in a couple weeks.  Right now, I'd gladly trade smart and picks for embiid.  Healthy embiid is better than anyone in this draft and for all we know he might be a couple weeks away from being green lit.   Obviously you'd consult with doctors first.  If he's missing another season, that's a problem.  But the only thing suggesting that he'll miss an entire season is wild media speculation.

Wild media speculation? He's like 20 years old, hasn't played ball in about a year and a half and STILL isn't fully healed. Slowest....healer....ever.

It is media speculation. Hinkie or Brown never said that he was going to miss another whole season, let alone Embiid himself saying that.