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Re: Draft Day Nightmare Picks!
« Reply #60 on: May 18, 2015, 03:22:38 PM »

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Good thread indeed!

Absolute nightmare pick to me is trading up for Mario Hezonja. The kid has all the talent in the world but has done nothing to show it on court so far and has the "I am the world greatest" no-respect mentality I hate. Once he said to an older Croatian teammate "How dare you wear the same sneakers as me". This kid is born a Laker.

Other than him, I really have nobody in this draft I do not want. I'd be disappointed if we trade up and take Oubre, but not a lot.

Last year my nightmare pick was James Young. I don't like no D players and his effort on that end was just hilariously bad. Everybody said how great he played in the final game. I thought he was completely abused on D. Not knowing anything about the Celtics at draft night did not help his cause. Anyway, I hope the kid works hard, grows up and becomes a good player.

I wanted Young, but it was a tough choice between him and Rodney Hood, as I feared that that could come back to haunt us, and just think - we could have gotten him and a 1st rounder this year for AB, thereby correcting a possible error, but nooooo.  Ugh.  I really wished that he would have traded for another pick or two last year in exchange for Jeff Green so that we could have gotten KJ McDaniels, as well, but once again, nope.  Sigh. 

Just out of curiosity, who did you want at that spot?

I actually kind of wanted KJ McDaniels at 16. Kevin O'Conner was so high on him that I watched and imagined a very useful Iguadala-lite. My other favorite was Kyle Anderson aka "The next Magic". With that talent evaluation I am born to GM the Knicks:)
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Re: Draft Day Nightmare Picks!
« Reply #61 on: May 18, 2015, 03:46:49 PM »

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Btw, I'm not saying that he'll be terrible or anything (or maybe he will be, lol ;D), but what's Oubre's appeal, you know, wingspan aside?

With Oubre it's his shooting stroke, passing and creative ways he finds to finish at the rim. When looking at prospects, skill should hold leverage over sheer strength as the player can be viewed as some who will get results when athletecism declines. Someone like Stanley Johnson for example, who can stuggle finishing against college players, may find it harder to bulldoze in shots on bigger NBA bodies, but Oubre has shown that he has a knack for shooting the ball at a good angle in such instances.

Looks like he'll be well off the board by 16.  The heat are reportedly very interested in him.  I get the part about taking skill over athleticism, btw, so you don't have to worry about that argument, haha ;D. The only highlights I've seen of him didn't show anything, imo, but perhaps I'm digging in the wrong place ;) ;D.  Any suggestions?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC3VXSPdWtw

I don't know how to post videos (so sorry if you have to click a link)

for comparisons sake here's one for SJ:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KtDtQ97bLk


Look at how they finish at the rim, with SJ using his motor, and Oubre using his length and angles off the glass.

Re: Draft Day Nightmare Picks!
« Reply #62 on: May 18, 2015, 03:49:48 PM »

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Good thread indeed!

Absolute nightmare pick to me is trading up for Mario Hezonja. The kid has all the talent in the world but has done nothing to show it on court so far and has the "I am the world greatest" no-respect mentality I hate. Once he said to an older Croatian teammate "How dare you wear the same sneakers as me". This kid is born a Laker.

Other than him, I really have nobody in this draft I do not want. I'd be disappointed if we trade up and take Oubre, but not a lot.

Last year my nightmare pick was James Young. I don't like no D players and his effort on that end was just hilariously bad. Everybody said how great he played in the final game. I thought he was completely abused on D. Not knowing anything about the Celtics at draft night did not help his cause. Anyway, I hope the kid works hard, grows up and becomes a good player.

I wanted Young, but it was a tough choice between him and Rodney Hood, as I feared that that could come back to haunt us, and just think - we could have gotten him and a 1st rounder this year for AB, thereby correcting a possible error, but nooooo.  Ugh.  I really wished that he would have traded for another pick or two last year in exchange for Jeff Green so that we could have gotten KJ McDaniels, as well, but once again, nope.  Sigh. 

Just out of curiosity, who did you want at that spot?

Says who?  I hope you're not taking Zach Lowe's post-trade deadline speculation of possible draft day trades as actual offers that were made.  The only offers for AB I heard about were late firsts, not late lottery and a good young player

While I realize that, it's been mentioned on here a few times, and besides, what's wrong with getting a late first and Rodney Hood for AB?  Apparently, Hood could have been included in such a deal because he had yet to get enough playing time to show his skills, so his value was low at the time (no pun intended, lol ;D).  An injury or two later, however, and he, not surprisingly, blossoms.  Doh! ;D

I don't see how we could have gotten him and a late first though (unless the Jazz have some other picks), I think the deals were basically just a late first, and maybe an okay player (to match salaries), for AB (which, actually, sounds a lot like the IT deal.  Not that AB's worth more than IT, I think that deal was just highway robbery)
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Re: Draft Day Nightmare Picks!
« Reply #63 on: May 18, 2015, 04:31:58 PM »

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Portis, Looney, Dekker all make me fearful. None have anything resembling star potential yet classic Danny mid-first picks. Solid role players but just once I'd like to see us take a flyer on an Upshaw or Turner

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« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2015, 05:24:06 PM »

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I can understand being suspicious of Dekker, Kaminsky, Upshaw, even Turner.

What are the major concerns on Portis? Good size, Long, great motor, can shoot and score, solid offensive rebounder, he can improve on his defensive rebounding, still young. I'm not seeing any red flags? We're talking picking 16th. here not 9th or 10th.

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« Reply #65 on: May 18, 2015, 05:31:10 PM »

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I can understand being suspicious of Dekker, Kaminsky, Upshaw, even Turner.

What are the major concerns on Portis? Good size, Long, great motor, can shoot and score, solid offensive rebounder, he can improve on his defensive rebounding, still young. I'm not seeing any red flags? We're talking picking 16th. here not 9th or 10th.

Watching Portis, my main concern would be that he tops out as just an OK backup big.  What exactly does he do particularly well?  He's a pure PF who may or may not have range out to the 3.  He's not dominant on the boards, he's not a standout perimeter defender or shotblocker.  He's OK as a faceup scorer, but lacks a really dangerous jumper.

He may be similar to Markieff Morris, Taj Gibson, or Terrence Jones.  On the other hand, he might be more similar to Ty Hansbrough or Marreese Speights.  Quality players all, but he may not be anything more than what Sullinger and Olynyk are -- borderline starters.
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Re: Draft Day Nightmare Picks!
« Reply #66 on: May 18, 2015, 05:35:49 PM »

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My nightmare pick is that we make a pick at #16.  Package up picks, players and/or future picks and trade up or trade for a current NBA player.  At 16 we are most likely looking at a rookie who will ride the pine next year with hopes of becoming a useful role player.  We have plenty of guys like that. Ainge needs to get superior talent which I'm sure he is working on. 

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« Reply #67 on: May 18, 2015, 06:37:35 PM »

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I can understand being suspicious of Dekker, Kaminsky, Upshaw, even Turner.

What are the major concerns on Portis? Good size, Long, great motor, can shoot and score, solid offensive rebounder, he can improve on his defensive rebounding, still young. I'm not seeing any red flags? We're talking picking 16th. here not 9th or 10th.

Watching Portis, my main concern would be that he tops out as just an OK backup big.  What exactly does he do particularly well?  He's a pure PF who may or may not have range out to the 3.  He's not dominant on the boards, he's not a standout perimeter defender or shotblocker.  He's OK as a faceup scorer, but lacks a really dangerous jumper.

He may be similar to Markieff Morris, Taj Gibson, or Terrence Jones.  On the other hand, he might be more similar to Ty Hansbrough or Marreese Speights.  Quality players all, but he may not be anything more than what Sullinger and Olynyk are -- borderline starters.


We'll have to agree to disagree.
He seems to find a way to score and rebound in college just fine 17ppg and 9 rebounds, he has more
motor than Olynyk and Sullinger combined. More length, he's quicker than both, an aggressive defender, and still has more upside to go. No he's not an elite rim protecter, while being a better protecter of the rim than both Sully and KO.
Don't forget we're drafting 16th. I'm just not seeing an sure things at 16 in this draft.

Re: Draft Day Nightmare Picks!
« Reply #68 on: May 18, 2015, 07:01:54 PM »

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My nightmare pick is that we make a pick at #16.  Package up picks, players and/or future picks and trade up or trade for a current NBA player.  At 16 we are most likely looking at a rookie who will ride the pine next year with hopes of becoming a useful role player.  We have plenty of guys like that. Ainge needs to get superior talent which I'm sure he is working on.

Pretty much my thoughts. We are in a horrible place to pick, too many spots out of the strong talent to improve our team via #16 alone. I'm sure Danny's arsenal of picks isn't going to be used to draft a procession of ho-hum bench warmers.

Re: Draft Day Nightmare Picks!
« Reply #69 on: May 18, 2015, 07:07:57 PM »

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Now my nightmare: his name is Mario Hezonja.
Check out his stats. I mean take a serious, good look: he hardly has playing experience (16.5 mpg this year, but well below 10 mpg the previous two seasons), he averages 7.7 ppg and is 20 yo. He also has attitude issues.
Does this look like //the player who could very well end up being the best scorer in this draft//?(Kevin O'Konnor). Is this guy a top 5 or even a top 10 pick?

The reason behind the whole Hezinsanity is that he plays for Barcelona which has in the past sent several good players to the NBA. He also had a very good performance with Croatia at FIBA's under 16 European championship in 2011. And here's where the Pau Gasol associations kick in (oh he plays for Barca, he is the star of his national team, he must be the new Euro-star player).
Not gonna happen. IMO his ceiling is lower than James Young's and the C's should stay away from this guy.

(If you want to understand more my feelings, just take a look at Vezenkov, who is taller, younger, much more experienced and a proven scorer- yet he is projected to be a second rounder just because his team, Ares Salonica, is not well known abroad- same story as Antetokounmpo- I see underrated draft prospect written all over this kid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandar_Vezenkov).

In the photo, me waking up in the middle of the night after a nightmare that we traded up to draft Hezonja.


TP for the info there, as far as teams are concerned, so I'm going to rely on you for international scouting, lol ;D. That can't be the thought process that leads teams to take these guys, can it?  Please tell me that that is not the case ;D.

NBA's managers have quite a good record of misjudging non-American players, esp. if they have not attended American colleges.

The list is long (draft number in brackets)
Giannis (15)
Dirk (9)
Tony Parker (28)
Manu Ginobili (57)
Tony Kukoc (29)
Drazen Petrovic (60)
and the best of them all Darko Milicic 2  ;D
I'd be grateful if someone can remember non-American, non-college players whose draft number was close to their real value. There must be some.

Edit: I missed the obvious. Pau at 3. But I still think managers have a tough time evaluating talent that has not gone through the college system.
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Re: Draft Day Nightmare Picks!
« Reply #70 on: May 18, 2015, 07:33:14 PM »

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I think Turner has a lot of bust potential. It seems like he is afraid to play in the paint and that scares the hell out of me for a 7 footer. He isn't very agile and is bad in transition.

From draft express: "The longer term concern on defense is likely his pick and roll defense, something which is a bigger concern at the next level, especially since Texas played a decent amount of zone defense with Turner on the court. Sporting awkward movements exacerbated by his abnormally large feet, Turner lacks great, or even good, lateral quickness."

His durability is also a question. He has had some foot and ankle issues and due to his height that could be a major problem going forward.
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Re: Draft Day Nightmare Picks!
« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2015, 07:49:46 PM »

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Good thread indeed!

Absolute nightmare pick to me is trading up for Mario Hezonja. The kid has all the talent in the world but has done nothing to show it on court so far and has the "I am the world greatest" no-respect mentality I hate. Once he said to an older Croatian teammate "How dare you wear the same sneakers as me". This kid is born a Laker.

Other than him, I really have nobody in this draft I do not want. I'd be disappointed if we trade up and take Oubre, but not a lot.

Last year my nightmare pick was James Young. I don't like no D players and his effort on that end was just hilariously bad. Everybody said how great he played in the final game. I thought he was completely abused on D. Not knowing anything about the Celtics at draft night did not help his cause. Anyway, I hope the kid works hard, grows up and becomes a good player.

I wanted Young, but it was a tough choice between him and Rodney Hood, as I feared that that could come back to haunt us, and just think - we could have gotten him and a 1st rounder this year for AB, thereby correcting a possible error, but nooooo.  Ugh.  I really wished that he would have traded for another pick or two last year in exchange for Jeff Green so that we could have gotten KJ McDaniels, as well, but once again, nope.  Sigh. 

Just out of curiosity, who did you want at that spot?

Says who?  I hope you're not taking Zach Lowe's post-trade deadline speculation of possible draft day trades as actual offers that were made.  The only offers for AB I heard about were late firsts, not late lottery and a good young player

While I realize that, it's been mentioned on here a few times, and besides, what's wrong with getting a late first and Rodney Hood for AB?  Apparently, Hood could have been included in such a deal because he had yet to get enough playing time to show his skills, so his value was low at the time (no pun intended, lol ;D).  An injury or two later, however, and he, not surprisingly, blossoms.  Doh! ;D

No, I think your confused.

Lowe reported that Ainge turned down multiple offers for a late first and expirings in exchange for AB at the deadline. I also believe he insinuated the Jazz were one of those teams via a future first they own from GS. He suggested, a long way into the C's playoff run when Hood was getting good minutes, that the Jazz have interest in AB and speculated they would offer their own pick (not very late at 12) in exchange, as DA wouldn't consider trading him for a pick in the 20s (and rightfully so). Considering Ainge's affinity for Bradley, he mentioned Hood as a sweetener in order to get it done.

There's some smoke to that rumor, all the pieces make sense and Lowe is an excellent journalist. But it certainly wasn't like Ainge was presented that deal and turned it down. That never happened. It's just Lowes idea of a trade that both sides would consider and will probably discuss.

The Jazz probably aren't getting anyone at 12 that helps them enough this year to make the playoff push they plan on making. Bradley is a talented player who fits their needs very well, he's only 24 and he's locked into a team friendly contract for the next few years. Who knows, they could probably even snag 33 or 28 from us in a deal like that. For us, we then have 3 first rounders to work with and suddenly trading up to Denver at 7 seems like it's even more possible. If trading Bradley can bet us Hood and Winslow or WCS (or even of we keep the 12 and 16 could get us Johnson and Turner of they keep falling) he would probably make that deal. But trading Bradley for something like #23 and a 8 mil expiring is a rip off for us.

Personally, I don't know if I have a nightmare scenario for the draft. The closest thing would probably be Upshaw at 16, because his red flags are so glaring that giving him a 1st round contract with decent money is a seriously dangerous move. At 28 it's still risky, but not as bad. 33 would be ideal, and I'm not sold on GMs being comfortable giving him a guaranteed contract.

Trading back for marginally better assets while drafting a couple guys like Looney or Alexander would probably disappoint me pretty bad. Ideally, we give up nothing and someone like Johnson or Turner falls to us. But that's unlikely. Most certainly wanna see us move up in some form or fashion to get a good prospect at a position of need.

Re: Draft Day Nightmare Picks!
« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2015, 07:57:13 PM »

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Drafting Tyus Jones in the first round to play third string PG.

Re: Draft Day Nightmare Picks!
« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2015, 10:06:31 PM »

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Good thread, mine is Kaminsky as well.
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Re: Draft Day Nightmare Picks!
« Reply #74 on: May 18, 2015, 11:52:12 PM »

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Kaminsky would probably be my vote. I don't think the team needs another 7 foot jump shooter who cant defend and arguably rebound on the NBA level . Also, his wingspan is shorter than his height, which is quite weird for a NBA player. I read of a comparison to that of a T-Rex which I feel suits him quite nicely.